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04:54 | <gbee> | crap, 70 trac generated emails to read |
04:54 | <anykey_> | heh |
05:01 | <gbee> | janneg: do you need an example file for that mjpeg problem? |
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05:15 | <malv> | i seem to be getting really poor sound with mythtv. I am capturing from linein and it seems to really mess up the audio. |
05:16 | <malv> | using a hauppauge wintv go with a bt878 tuner chip |
05:16 | <malv> | sorry, wrong channel |
05:18 | <anykey_> | gbee: did you ever look at eskils shoutcast patch? Do you think it would be better to add the functionality to a complete seperate plugin? |
05:21 | <gbee> | anykey_: never looked at it |
05:21 | <gbee> | doubt it would be better as a seperate plugin |
05:24 | <Dibblah> | Wow! Removing the circular dependencies will fix the circular dependency issue! |
05:24 | <Dibblah> | Bet noone thought of that... |
05:26 | <justinh> | anykey_: you'll crack it. don't give up! |
05:28 | <anykey_> | justinh: in my opion the patch is an ugly hack |
05:29 | <anykey_> | justinh: I'd go for a seperate plugin... |
05:31 | <justinh> | I'm with gbee on that. better as all in one |
05:33 | <gbee> | anykey_: more work involved in writing a new plugin, writing all the music playback support, duplicating the decoders in the new plugin and then there is the lack of integration with stuff like the music miniplayer |
05:34 | <anykey_> | yeah, just realised that ;) |
05:35 | <justinh> | what's changed in mythmusic since eskil's patch last worked? |
05:35 | <gbee> | from the bits of the shoutcast patch I did see (the stuff submitted to mythtv and put into the code) I'd agree that it seemed like a hack, but that's just a reason to rewrite the patch/mythmusic so that it isn't such a hack, not to write a new plugin |
05:35 | <justinh> | other than the miniplayer |
05:35 | <anykey_> | justinh: the miniplayer |
05:35 | <justinh> | I oan see that making mythtv internally support internet streams generally could have lots of benefits all round :) |
05:36 | <anykey_> | there isn't a decoder for realmedia yet, right? |
05:37 | <justinh> | how's the original patch hackish? is it buffering to a temp file & playing that? |
05:37 | <gbee> | anykey_: avcodec can probably handle it |
05:37 | <anykey_> | justinh: no |
05:37 | <anykey_> | justinh: more in the metadata handling stuff |
05:37 | <gbee> | only way to know is to try a realmedia file with ffplay |
05:38 | <anykey_> | justinh: and it only works with the not "normal" view (don't remember the name now) |
05:38 | <justinh> | ahh the 3 bin view |
05:38 | <justinh> | full tree list |
05:38 | <anykey_> | yeah exactly |
05:38 | <justinh> | man I hate that list |
05:38 | <anykey_> | I know, you didn't theme it :p |
05:38 | <justinh> | didn't I? lol |
05:39 | <gbee> | the 3 bin view is a bad joke |
05:39 | <anykey_> | gbee: I thought about adding the radio stations to the playlist editor, like the CDs are |
05:39 | <rooaus> | justinh: I hate that view so much I don't use the shoutcast patch for that reason, although I want the functionality. |
05:39 | <justinh> | maybe then it's time to think how best to tackle playing shoutcast etc |
05:40 | <gbee> | anykey_: that's probably what I would do |
05:40 | <justinh> | oh is it using an xml file at the minute for the radiostations list? |
05:40 | <anykey_> | thought it doesn't make much sense to have an endless stream playing in a playlist, but that's another thing |
05:41 | <anykey_> | justinh: no, it stores them in the database |
05:41 | <rooaus> | I have emailed eskil to find out why he hasn't submitted it on a ticket and what his thoughts are on getting it added to trunk. |
05:42 | <gbee> | won't be accepted if the only way to use it is through the full tree view |
05:44 | <justinh> | would it be that big a deal if a radio station wasn't playlistable? |
05:45 | <anykey_> | why wouldn't it be? |
05:45 | <justinh> | then again that'd probably complicate the existing player, so forget I said that |
05:45 | <gbee> | if we treated radio stations like we do CDs, as a special case, it would work best IMHO |
05:46 | <justinh> | I don't think it's likely people would want to line up a few tracks of their own before playing station xyz.com |
05:46 | <gbee> | justinh: neither do I, but I'm usually wrong about these things, there is always someone who wants to do strange things |
05:47 | <justinh> | gbee: so you'd have 'normal mythmusic - play stuff from the user's tracks' - 'play cd' and 'play online' menu entries. seems sensible to me |
05:47 | <justinh> | and to those who want to do something outside the use case, tough? |
05:47 | <gbee> | I could see myself possibly adding a stream at the end of a playlist, so when I run out of my own music it keeps playing something |
05:48 | <justinh> | maybe you could have an option to always play the last stream when a normal playlist is done |
05:48 | <gbee> | the way we handle CDs currently hasn't drawn any criticism, you can mix CD tracks in with 'normal' tracks on a playlist |
05:48 | <justinh> | what does the time indicator do with online streams? |
05:49 | * | gbee looks to anykey_ |
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06:42 | <gbee> | think I've just killed the wall mounted frontend I was building from an old laptop, won't start anymore, no lights or any sign of life :( |
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06:44 | <anykey_> | justinh: it probably lists only time played not time remaining |
06:45 | * | gbee is heartbroken |
06:45 | <anykey_> | hm, now what does that mean? :p |
06:48 | <justinh> | can't it read the future & see how long is left? yeesh |
06:48 | <justinh> | ;) |
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06:51 | <anykey_> | justinh: I'll look at implementing that |
06:51 | <anykey_> | MythOracle, anyone? |
06:51 | <gbee> | anykey_: upset about turning this machine into a worthless piece of junk, I was looking forward to the project of turning it into a frontend |
06:52 | <anykey_> | ah, nothing to do with my comment ;) |
06:52 | <gbee> | nope |
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06:54 | <gbee> | wonder how cheaply I can pick up another old laptop |
06:56 | * | gbee sulks |
06:56 | <justinh> | scrappers with dead displays go for £cheep |
06:58 | <anykey_> | gbee: did I see this correctly? A CD track is nothing else than a normal track but with the cd flag (track::getCDFlag()) set to true? So best way would be to add a stream flag? |
06:59 | <gbee> | anykey_: yeah, my memory is a little hazy, but basically that sounds right |
06:59 | <anykey_> | ok |
07:00 | <gbee> | CD tracks are handled a little differently due to that flag, but I've not looked at the mythmusic code for a few months, you probably can see better than me how it's done |
07:00 | <anykey_> | I'm curious if there's a library for parsing shoutcast playlists |
07:10 | <anykey_> | gbee: do you know what streaminput.cpp is for? |
07:10 | <gbee> | no, sorry |
07:11 | <anykey_> | seems like someone started a streaminput but didn't finish it |
07:13 | <anykey_> | someone with the name eskil... |
07:14 | <justinh> | anykey_: mythstream already has a parser AFAIK |
07:14 | <justinh> | ugh. in perl |
07:15 | <anykey_> | lets do it in python :p |
07:15 | <justinh> | hmm but maybe that has legs.. could be more flexible to parse it externally |
07:16 | <anykey_> | why? |
07:16 | <justinh> | ease of adding more stream types? |
07:18 | <anykey_> | with externally you mean what exactly? |
07:21 | <justinh> | well, playlist links for different stream types - icecast vs shoutcast need to be handled differently don't they? |
07:22 | <justinh> | maybe making whatever parses the 'playlist item' be capable of being extended easily would open the door to being able to use more than just shoutcast items |
07:22 | <anykey_> | yeah, at first I thought by external you mean "do it in perl" ;) |
07:23 | <justinh> | could be anything. doesn't matter to me personally |
07:24 | <justinh> | just found out how mythstream does it & wondered why it wasn't built in, then realised it might be handy |
07:30 | <justinh> | heheh mplayer just takes .pls files straight in there |
07:35 | <anykey_> | hm, there could be some code :> |
07:40 | <justinh> | anykey_: not being funny but have you ever looked in a pls file? I just did. not much to it |
07:43 | <anykey_> | yeah, not very complex |
07:43 | <anykey_> | but I wonder how to implement support for various formats the best way |
07:44 | <justinh> | anykey_: I don't think formats are going to change much. pls has been around as long as mp3 players have |
07:44 | <justinh> | rm might be more tricky |
07:44 | <anykey_> | though the rm streams I know are just streams without playlists |
07:45 | <justinh> | ok then. 'others' might be more tricky |
07:46 | <justinh> | though deciding on only a small number of formats to support & stick to that. it's all better than nothing :) |
07:46 | <anykey_> | yeah |
07:46 | <anykey_> | the playlist decoders could probably just return the url together with metadata (if available) to the player |
07:46 | <anykey_> | and then feed it into the mad/rm-decoders |
07:47 | <justinh> | might be nice to be able to use it with BBC 'listen again' with it but I wouldn't call that a show-stopper |
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09:34 | <janneg> | gbee: I'll try first a self made sample |
09:34 | <gbee> | janneg: ok |
09:36 | <janneg> | hmm, no stuarta. valgrind run seems to be pretty clean. I just fixed the biggest memleak 50k over 12 hours |
09:36 | <janneg> | but without a recording |
09:36 | <janneg> | gotta go. bbl |
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09:42 | <gbee> | anykey_: one of my ideas was to swap the existing decoders for ffmpeg, so any audio format supported by ffmpeg would be supported by mythmusic, that would probably include Real Audio meaning that bbc streams could be used |
09:43 | <gbee> | but I'm not stopping to expand on that idea right now, need to get back to work, busy day |
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10:06 | <rooaus> | Anyone know where the patch or whatever from pre trac days may be relating to http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/3274 |
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10:12 | <anykey_> | gbee: well, that would be good of course, but I think that'll definitly be beyond my knowledge ;) |
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13:04 | <gnome42> | Hola |
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13:06 | <gnome42> | janneg: Little patch to get rid of spurious error message on slave backend reconnect: http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/mythtv_CancelRec_annoyance.diff |
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13:17 | <gnome42> | I also noticed that the NUMPROGRAMLINES define in programinfo.h was incorrect. I believe that define was being phased out. Created a patch to remove the last user. http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/mythtv_remove_last_NUMPROGRAMLINES_user.diff |
13:18 | <gnome42> | gbee: How are your issues comming along? Anything I might be able to help with? |
13:26 | <gbee> | multirec? |
13:27 | <gbee> | hit a deadend, janneg can't see anything useful in the log and neither can I |
13:28 | <gbee> | problem *might* be driver related, but I can't see how at the moment, it's not the normal issue I see with the driver |
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13:29 | <gnome42> | yeah, multirec. It was just those logs you posted yesterday? |
13:29 | <gbee> | if I enter livetv on that card at the same time as there is a failed recording in progress I get video |
13:29 | <gbee> | gnome42: yeah |
13:30 | <gnome42> | I have no ideas on what a next debugging step would be :/ |
13:30 | <gbee> | something we've needed for a long time is a way of checking to see whether we are getting data, if not we should stop recording and try again - might solve a lot of frustration from users who get zero byte recordings |
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13:31 | <gnome42> | yeah, its annoying. I enabled the DrB stats and added a couple VERBOSE's to get more of that info too |
13:31 | <gbee> | I don't even get a file produced yet it thinks that it's recording just fine until the programme ends, shouldn't be difficult for the recorder to see whether the file is growing in size and reinit |
13:32 | <gnome42> | oh, so you get 0 byte? not 376 byte files? |
13:33 | <gbee> | gnome42: I'm not getting any file at all |
13:34 | <gnome42> | ugh |
13:37 | <gnome42> | I lost the pastebin links to your logs from yesterday. Do you still have them? (Maybe if a stare at them I can come up with a theory at least ;) |
13:39 | <gbee> | same log, just different time periods - http://pastebin.ca/859081 http://pastebin.ca/859044 |
13:39 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: do you use a diseqc switch? |
13:39 | <gnome42> | thanks |
13:39 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: no |
13:39 | <gbee> | a single card, dual tuner DVB-T (in that backend at least) |
13:40 | <MrGandalf> | sounds like the backend is waiting on a tuning flag if a ringbuffer isn't getting created. |
13:42 | <gbee> | behaves as though it has tuned correctly and is recording, recording ends at the correct time with no hint that it has failed until you try to play the recording at which point it notices there is no file |
13:43 | <gbee> | noticed a bug the other day, if you try to play back a recording a few seconds after it has started the programinfo hasn't been updated yet, so the frontend complains that the recording file is zero-byte/or missing - need to fix that before 0.21 (I added the zero byte check to the frontend a while ago) |
13:45 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: in that log, your cardid is 27? And were you watching livetv at the time as well? |
13:46 | <gbee> | the recording was on card 30 starting at 20:58, at the time card 27 is recording a program from 20:00-21:00 |
13:46 | <MrGandalf> | and the recording on 27 is ok, correct? |
13:46 | <gbee> | yes |
13:46 | <MrGandalf> | ok |
13:47 | <gbee> | all the other recordings made around the same time were ok |
13:48 | <gbee> | when I noticed that card 30 wasn't actually recording (no file) I stopped it (~21:30) and went into livetv on card 30, which worked fine |
13:48 | <MrGandalf> | what version of trunk? |
13:49 | <gbee> | 15438 |
13:49 | <gbee> | I'm normally never more than a couple of days behind trunk as I don't have a seperate development machine |
13:50 | <janneg> | gbee: it might be related to diseqc rotor error I fixed yesterday with MrGandalf help |
13:50 | <MrGandalf> | janneg patched the signal monitor last night, but it was for rotor support. I found it odd that the old signal monitor should be sticking around so long |
13:50 | <gbee> | janneg: ok, I'll upgrade and see if the issue reoccurs |
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13:50 | <janneg> | me too and we are leaking signalmonitor threads |
13:51 | <janneg> | gbee: your issue is probably something else but I hope it goes away if I fix the leak |
13:52 | <gbee> | janneg: hope so too :) |
13:52 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: I found the code where dvbsignalmonitor calls a method in streamhandler which then calls a method back in dvbsignalmonitor.. that bit of code seems overly complicated. |
13:52 | <gbee> | ugh |
13:53 | <gbee> | that sort of interdependancy between classes is never good IMHO |
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13:55 | <gbee> | I'm not one to talk though, introduced such a case to some code written for work this week |
13:55 | <MrGandalf> | I have seen (rare) cases where Myth won't tune and it's usually stuck on one flag match |
13:56 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: maybe that's why they call it "OOP"s |
13:59 | <MrGandalf> | btw, does anyone why who made the changes to mythdbcon within the past few months and why? |
13:59 | <gbee> | I'm a simple minded person, I like relationships between classes to be linear :) |
14:00 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: that was nigel and your guess is as good as mine |
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14:00 | <MrGandalf> | that change makes my backend very unstable |
14:00 | <MrGandalf> | I submitted a patch a while back but I don't think it's been looked at |
14:01 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: it makes everyones frontends/backends unstable ... but I think we're just being polite and not mentioning it |
14:02 | <gbee> | there were several tickets to trac about the problems caused by the changes though |
14:03 | <MrGandalf> | the segfault seems to happen in Qt, if I remember correctly |
14:03 | <MrGandalf> | a simple work-around is to not call dbparms more than once |
14:03 | <MrGandalf> | cache the parms |
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14:04 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: I agree thet the RetuneMonitor looks deplaced in DVBStreamHandler and I'm not sure why it is not in DVBSignalMonitor |
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14:50 | <gnome42> | hmm, Daniel's change [15470] causes a problem for me. If a recording is in progress on Card A and you attempt to start livetv TV on the same card and the startchannel happens to be on a different mux than the in progress recording. It tells you the channel is valid but not available, it used to find a channel on the same mux for you. |
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15:08 | <gbee> | I need to do something about my self control, just couldn't stop myself from replying to that "I'll use Media Centre if you don't release 0.21 right now" thread |
15:10 | <S2> | hahahaha :) |
15:10 | <S2> | i have to go and read the ml |
15:10 | <GreyFoxx> | hehe I've only read the first one |
15:10 | * | GreyFoxx goes and reads |
15:11 | <gnome42> | gbee: heh, I was successful in controlling myself with that one :) |
15:12 | <gbee> | the more worked up, the less coherent I become, so it's just good luck that prevents me from making a complete fool of myself |
15:13 | * | gbee fetches beer and tries to calm down |
15:14 | <gnome42> | gbee: yah, lilttle beer can be good for your health! |
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15:24 | <hads> | gbee: You came across fine FWIW |
15:25 | <gbee> | hads: thanks |
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15:45 | <gnome42> | Temp. workaround patch that restores the correct behaviour for non firewire recordings. http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/mythtv_find_good_chan.diff |
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16:08 | <gnome42> | Ford's got an ad out here for their SUV "Drive it like you stole it!" is the slogan |
16:08 | <stian> | haha seriously? |
16:08 | <stian> | killer! :D |
16:08 | <gnome42> | yeah, apparently it's not popular :)) |
16:09 | <stian> | http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/story/4110509p-4706839c.html |
16:09 | <stian> | hahaha |
16:09 | <stian> | awesome! |
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16:20 | <GreyFoxx> | Those commercials were stupid anyway :) |
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16:29 | <xris> | gbee: you see I passed those upnp/pixmap tickets to you? |
16:29 | <gbee> | xris: yeah, I'll take a look at them next week hopefully |
16:31 | <gbee> | one of the preview problems is related to Daniel's changes, so I might pass it onto him or janne who has been looking at it |
16:31 | <xris> | yeah, just wanted to make sure they were filed properly instead of being assigned to me. :) |
16:32 | <gbee> | np :) |
16:32 | <xris> | I need to bug janneg at some point again about seeing if we can build a mythffmpeg for nuvexport/mythweb |
16:32 | <xris> | at least, I think he's the one who suggested it to me originally |
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17:46 | <MrGandalf> | hmm, backend segfault when in the guide and you go to a page where there's a channel recording |
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18:38 | <MrGandalf> | gnome42: that guide speedup patch is great, but doesn't really do much of you have >1 allowed recordings/tuner |
18:46 | <clever> | which part of the code handles input to mythtv from the X server? |
18:46 | <GreyFoxx> | what kind of input are you referring to ? |
18:47 | <clever> | keyboard input mainly |
18:47 | <GreyFoxx> | qqt does that |
18:47 | <clever> | trying to debug why the keyboard keeps getting ignored |
18:48 | <janneg> | gnome42: I'm not sure whether the [15470] was only related to firewire |
18:51 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: I can't reproduce #4491 (albeit with multiple recordings per card) |
18:53 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: odd.. as soon as I removed the tuner configured for my slave it was ok |
18:54 | <janneg> | was the slave backend connected once? |
18:54 | <MrGandalf> | I probably need up delete and re-add my capture cards at some point.. not looking forward to it though |
18:54 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: at one time, but not for a few months |
18:55 | <janneg> | so not while the master was running |
18:55 | <MrGandalf> | the slave's machine has been off for months |
18:55 | <MrGandalf> | the master came up never connecting to the slave |
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19:12 | <gnome42> | MrGandalf: Yeah, its only a speedup for the channel queries |
19:15 | <gnome42> | janneg: good point. I will continue to look into it. |
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19:21 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: please try http://pastebin.ca/861822 for #4491 |
19:22 | <gnome42> | I can't reproduce that problem either |
19:35 | <janneg> | checking in HandleRecorderQuery if the the encoder is connected can't be wrong |
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19:37 | <MrGandalf> | compiling.. |
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19:40 | <MrGandalf> | did you compile that? |
19:40 | <janneg> | yes |
19:41 | <MrGandalf> | ah, I see now |
19:41 | <MrGandalf> | duh |
19:42 | <janneg> | what's wrong? |
19:42 | <MrGandalf> | me |
19:47 | <MrGandalf> | testing, sorry had to put back my cappturecard and cardinput tables.. |
19:48 | <MrGandalf> | now I gotta wait for my db to calm down.. probably checking tables |
19:49 | <MrGandalf> | bingo |
19:50 | <MrGandalf> | and it spits out that error as well |
19:52 | <MrGandalf> | did someone speed up the scheduler? |
19:53 | <janneg> | in the last hours? |
19:53 | <MrGandalf> | no, since 14915 |
19:54 | <MrGandalf> | about 3 months ago |
19:54 | <janneg> | in multirec? or in trunk? multirec includes some scheduler tuning |
19:55 | <gnome42> | there was a scheduler speedup patch a little while back |
19:55 | <MrGandalf> | trunk as of today.. nevermind, I just saw my typical 14 second schedler |
19:55 | <gnome42> | not huge but definately good |
19:55 | <MrGandalf> | I saw it ran in <4 second a bit ago.. must have been in db cache |
19:56 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: nothing bad the frontend log? |
19:56 | <MrGandalf> | nothing I see |
19:58 | <MrGandalf> | except there's a bad verbose line.. :) |
19:59 | <MrGandalf> | shows an unfilled place holder (%2) |
20:00 | <MrGandalf> | in TV::IsTunable() right before the return false at the end of the method.. |
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21:15 | <janneg> | xris: yes, I suggested mythffmpeg and I have it sitting in my tree. it doesn't work yet |
21:18 | <xris> | ah, so you actually went beyond just the idea |
21:19 | <xris> | let me know if you ever get it to a point where it needs more testing. |
21:19 | <xris> | it'd certainly be better than relying on the ever-changing ffmpeg options |
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21:32 | <janneg> | sure, probably not before 0.21 though. I have too many open tickets and things I want to get in |
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21:33 | <xris> | janneg: yeah, no biggie |
21:34 | <xris> | would be another thing altogether if it was just a matter of adding a compile flag |
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21:50 | <janneg> | gnome42: your distinct channel patch can be simplified: http://pastebin.ca/862154 |
21:51 | <janneg> | it doesn't make sense to use DISTINCT if the primary key is in the WHERE clause |
21:55 | <xris> | I'd still prefer to see it all get tossed into mythtranscode. would make on-the-fly streaming from the backend a lot easier |
21:57 | <gnome42> | janneg: that makes sense, but I didn't think it would hurt. |
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21:57 | <gnome42> | janneg: http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/mythtv_chanbase_Init_fixes.diff |
21:58 | <gnome42> | I was a little off base, found simpler answer :) |
21:59 | <gnome42> | It's hard to test now but I think that fixes that issue with finding a good chan to start livetv on |
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22:06 | <janneg> | gnome42: no need to make a patch larger as it needs to be with changes without effect |
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22:10 | <gnome42> | the distinct one? yeah, the distinct one was more a test than anything |
22:10 | <gnome42> | the other one is pretty lean |
22:11 | <janneg> | yes, the distinct patch. I'm not even sure if has an effect for a sane database |
22:11 | <janneg> | the other one has to wait until tommorrow |
22:11 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: are you calling my db insane? |
22:12 | <MrGandalf> | you're probably right |
22:13 | <gnome42> | I have a few hundred chans and I thought it was a slight improvement. Worthwhile for the risk involved. |
22:13 | <gnome42> | g'nite :) |
22:14 | <MrGandalf> | tomorrow I'm going to investigate making the guide faster.. having more than 1 recording/tuner makes my guide entirely too slow |
22:14 | <MrGandalf> | g'night |
22:17 | <MrGandalf> | I'm guessing the best way is through a cache of some sort.. preferably on the backend |
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22:17 | <janneg> | MrGandalf: probably not. that sane was not directed at the number of channels |
22:18 | <janneg> | the patch would make a difference if you have many channels with the same channum on a single source |
22:18 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: well, that number of channels stems from an increase in transports and an increase in cardinputs as well |
22:18 | <MrGandalf> | I have a few like that |
22:39 | <xris> | cool, got the flv player in mythweb to resize |
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22:55 | <reynaldo> | is there any way outside RTFS where I can learn about the mythtv's gui system? available widgets, xml elements and so on ? |
23:00 | <xris> | reynaldo: probably not right in the middle of conversion between lib handlers |
23:02 | <reynaldo> | ok. |
23:02 | <reynaldo> | thanks xris |
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23:13 | <xris> | woot. ok, now I just need an aspect ratio field in the db, and the flv player and pixmaps in mythweb can be accurate. |
23:22 | <reynaldo> | I'd need some rum and a hot chick |
23:23 | <reynaldo> | but guess it may be too much to ask :-) |
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