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| 03:06 | <phix> | hi |
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| 05:21 | <justinh> | it's friday, yay! |
| 05:23 | <janneg> | gbee: another failed recording? yeah the patch has a small flaw, it won't output anything if nothing is read. |
| 05:25 | <gbee> | janneg: yeah I just scheduled 3 consecutive recordings on different muxes to force it to use the second tuner, failed instantly |
| 05:25 | <janneg> | but if something is read it will print at least one time |
| 05:25 | <gbee> | so it's not reading anything |
| 05:25 | <janneg> | yes |
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| 05:26 | <janneg> | does live-tv work from the second frontend? |
| 05:26 | <gbee> | it did the last time I checked, but let me just double-check |
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| 05:28 | <gbee> | that's interesting, it's not locking (L__) |
| 05:29 | <gbee> | but it _is_ reading data from the card |
| 05:29 | <gbee> | just not a lot |
| 05:30 | <gbee> | http://www.pastebin.ca/871890 |
| 05:33 | <janneg> | gbee: it won't read that much in the signalmonitor stage |
| 05:34 | <gbee> | yup |
| 05:34 | <kormoc> | Hrm. Someone updated the configure script and missed a ${PREFIX} thing-a-ma-jig |
| 05:34 | <gbee> | janneg: I'm going to revert that patch and see if it makes any difference |
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| 05:51 | <gbee> | janneg: looks like it was that first driver patch all along |
| 05:52 | <gbee> | should have reverted it sooner :/ |
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| 05:52 | * | justinh will be joining the legions of multirec users tonight. buying 2 pci dvb-t tuners for £20 each :) |
| 05:53 | <justinh> | really only need one but won't ever harm to have a spare |
| 05:54 | <gbee> | janneg: you want to report the problem to the v4l list, or should I? |
| 05:55 | <gbee> | I'm not subscribed at the moment |
| 05:55 | <gbee> | err, linux-dvb list |
| 05:56 | * | kormoc sighs |
| 05:57 | <kormoc> | mythfrontend sigfaulting |
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| 06:02 | <janneg> | gbee: I'll reply to the original message. but how sure are you? Do you remember if how many successfull recordings you had on the second frontend? |
| 06:04 | <gbee> | janneg: I don't remember any being successful since using multirec but it's hard to be sure because the virtual tuners confuse things, but I can keep running without the patch for a few days to see if the problem is definately fixed |
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| 07:12 | <janneg> | gbee: I cc'ed you and we were a little bit to slow. Patrick issued a merge request for those changes an hour ago |
| 07:13 | <gbee> | eep |
| 07:15 | <gbee> | janneg: have you tried to see if it's reproducable? |
| 07:17 | <gbee> | I scheduled a few recordings earlier across muxes and none of them have failed yet |
| 07:20 | <justinh> | gbee: seen this? http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=EP0969662&F=0 |
| 07:24 | <gbee> | pretty broad patent and I'm pretty sure at least some of that would be covered by prior art (wasn't the Sky Digital EPG in use before 2000?) |
| 07:25 | <stuarta> | aparently virgin media are being sued for patent infringement on their EPG |
| 07:26 | <gbee> | "Most especially, it relates to such a system and process incorporating an intuitive user interface. " < well according to some, that's MythTV safe |
| 07:26 | <gbee> | hmm |
| 07:26 | <justinh> | newscorp own the company who filed the original patent. quel surprise |
| 07:26 | <stuarta> | we must be talking about the same thing |
| 07:26 | <gbee> | oh, that explains everything |
| 07:27 | <gbee> | software patents are a bad joke, weren't the EU debating excluding software from the patent process? |
| 07:28 | <justinh> | stuarta: I saw the article & decided to dig into it just to see what the patents were exactly |
| 07:28 | <stuarta> | k |
| 07:35 | <janneg> | gbee: not really, only live-tv on the second frontend works |
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| 07:36 | <gbee> | janneg: there is no question that the changes improved the stability with active EIT, I saw no disconnects or complete lockups of the card, so it was doing something right |
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| 08:20 | <gbee> | mythui version of mythcontrols is now in trunk |
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| 08:36 | <justinh> | got me another dvb-t pci card finally :) Only 20 squids at maplin. they still need a damn good trouting though. I didn't want to embark on a conversation about watching tv on the windows desktop ffs |
| 08:46 | <gbee> | heh |
| 08:47 | <gbee> | they selling a dvb-s card at a similar price? |
| 08:50 | <stuarta> | that's where i got my last dvb-t card from |
| 08:51 | <gbee> | I was in maplin the other day buying batteries, didn't think to look at what they had in the way of dvt-* cards |
| 08:52 | <stuarta> | they sometimes have them in the bargain bin |
| 08:53 | <gbee> | someone, I think sphery suggested a good screen to convert, but I can't remember what it was |
| 08:53 | * | stuarta tries to work out a way to finance a new quad core dev box |
| 08:53 | <Merlin83b> | Credit card :) |
| 08:53 | <stuarta> | nope |
| 08:54 | <stuarta> | have one, but it's not of much use |
| 08:54 | <stuarta> | considering i have a wedding & honeymoon to pay for first. |
| 08:54 | <Merlin83b> | Er yeah, dev box may have to wait :) |
| 08:54 | <stuarta> | $$$$$$ |
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| 08:55 | <stuarta> | tried to move the prod backend to an old office pc the other week |
| 08:55 | <stuarta> | then the 40g hdd failed :( |
| 08:55 | <stuarta> | currently pondering if a 4yr old office pc will cope with a 500g ide hdd |
| 08:56 | <stuarta> | cheaper to buy that than the 2port sata card i'd need to move the existing storage across. |
| 09:03 | <janneg> | huh, a 2 port sata pci controller cost here less than 15 Euro |
| 09:03 | <stuarta> | they are about 30 quid here |
| 09:04 | <stuarta> | (okay it's not quite cheaper to get 500gb, but it's more sense given i'd need a new drive anyway) |
| 09:07 | <sphery> | gbee: MythHello? (and/or mythtutorial2--which maybe should have been mythtwotorial :) |
| 09:08 | <sphery> | Only problem with your doing it is you'll turn it into a good example plugin so it will be a lot more work than just converting it. :) |
| 09:11 | <sphery> | Captain_Murdoch: I guess I made the wrong decision on #4512--I considered mod'ing the lockquery stuff to use the same MSqlQuery as the versionquery, but decided a patch that changes less would be more likely to go in quickly/less work for the committer. Nice work on it, though, and thanks. |
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| 10:01 | <johnp__> | Anyone noticed any issues with icon download. i.e if you select a channel, then try and download an icon, it says it does but then it doesn't? |
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| 10:16 | <gbee> | log messages? |
| 10:16 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: there? |
| 10:16 | <gbee> | johnp__: the radio icons are currently broken because lyngsat changed their site layout |
| 10:17 | <johnp__> | gbee: hmm, suggestions ? I don't think they are any. |
| 10:17 | <johnp__> | anyway it's "channel 4" |
| 10:18 | <gbee> | try with -v file (at least I think I put some extra debugging in there) |
| 10:18 | <johnp__> | Give me a mo. |
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| 10:18 | <gbee> | -v channel |
| 10:20 | <gbee> | all the error conditions should be VB_IMPORTANT though, so I'm not sure how useful it's going to be |
| 10:21 | <gbee> | I've not had any problems with it, so I can't speculate on what might be wrong |
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| 10:26 | <johnp__> | gbee: nothing obvious I'm afraid. I'll take another look at it. (more debug etc) |
| 10:27 | <gbee> | ok |
| 10:27 | <gbee> | does the image it's pointing at actually exist? Sometimes they change and maybe we just need to resync the database |
| 10:29 | <johnp__> | Well it's looking for a radio icon, which does exist, and it does download. so that's ok. but then it doesn't end up in the DB. |
| 10:31 | <johnp__> | but that's not the point, it should be looking at channel4-uk.jpg (or somesuch) downloading that and setting that into the DB |
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| 11:48 | <MrGandalf> | blah |
| 11:49 | <MrGandalf> | quiet today.. |
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| 12:10 | <gnome42> | Heya MrGandalf |
| 12:11 | <gnome42> | MrGandalf: the patch attached to #4498 might help your latest issue with #4510 (dvb radio) |
| 12:15 | <MrGandalf> | thanks, I'll take a look in a second.. |
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| 13:31 | <dekar2> | evening, now that we have audio only channel support, has anybody played around with building an audio dtvrecorder based on mplex13818 (TS muxer) and some shoutcast (our similar) mp3/aac sources? |
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| 13:55 | <justinh> | recording online radio streams.. is that really a good idea legal-wise? |
| 14:01 | <dekar1> | the idea was to have online stations in live tv (radio) mode |
| 14:02 | <dekar1> | I don't think it's much different then recording fm radio stations buy IANAL |
| 14:02 | <dekar1> | s/buy/but/ |
| 14:04 | <dekar1> | the ultimate goal would be recording some VC-1/WMA2 in MMS stream (my companies free OTA channel. it's on satelite as MPEG2 and the net in MS format) |
| 14:05 | <dekar1> | I found some code to get the VC-1 into a format similar to ES and a TS muxer, just need to add the audio transcoding for a nice recorder |
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| 14:06 | <dekarl> | btw, the stream is over here http://www.bahntv-online.de/ (german) |
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| 15:05 | <MrGandalf> | Is the expectation that the frontend will be converted to mythui fully before the next release? |
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| 15:07 | <justinh> | MrGandalf: somebody's having a laugh |
| 15:08 | <justinh> | I don't think so, but definitely by 0.22 AFAIK |
| 15:08 | <MrGandalf> | was just curious.. there's a lot of work going into it and probably a lot of bugs being introduced |
| 15:09 | <MrGandalf> | (I'm not saying anyone's a bad coder) |
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| 15:16 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: only intending to convert a couple of plugins and one or two screen, just as examples for all the people who have expressed interest in helping with the mythui conversion |
| 15:16 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: I see |
| 15:17 | <MrGandalf> | gnome42: the patch in that ticket, it's only for when the backend starts up, correct? The bug I posted has to do with changing channels from the guidegrid only. If you manually enter in a channum, all is well. |
| 15:18 | <gbee> | the larger changes I'm holding back, probably for a new mythui branch (0.22 is a little too far away to sit on the changes) |
| 15:19 | <MrGandalf> | probably a good idea |
| 15:21 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: around? |
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| 15:24 | <roothorick> | hi everyone |
| 15:24 | <roothorick> | anyone know if the remote control and VFD on the Thermaltake Bach and Mozart cases has any form of Linux support? |
| 15:25 | <laga> | roothorick: #mythtv-users |
| 15:25 | <MrGandalf> | not really a question relating to Myth, but you might try #mythtv-users |
| 15:25 | <roothorick> | doh |
| 15:25 | <roothorick> | sorry |
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| 15:52 | <gnome42> | MrGandalf: No, I don't think it's just for startup. It didn't solve your problem? |
| 15:53 | <MrGandalf> | gnome42: can't test, not at home :( |
| 15:54 | <MrGandalf> | I suppose I could test, but it would be rather difficult. :) |
| 15:54 | <gnome42> | oh, I see |
| 15:54 | <MrGandalf> | I'll test this weekend though |
| 15:55 | <MrGandalf> | and close my ticket if it works |
| 15:55 | <gbee> | justinh: do we need some grouping construct in mythui, like containers in the current code? I think we do, but I'd value somebody elses opinion |
| 15:55 | <MrGandalf> | but I'm kinda convinced that matching on callsign is a bad idea |
| 15:57 | <MrGandalf> | I think it's a bad assumption that all channels with the same callsign are the same channel |
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| 15:59 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: it's an assumption that underpins a lot of things in mythtv, not least because in the US callsigns are unique to a channel (government mandated requirement or something) |
| 15:59 | <gbee> | everything from the icon downloader to mythweb works on that assumption |
| 16:00 | <gbee> | I'm not sure how else you would group identical channels from different sources? |
| 16:00 | <xris> | myth now goes by callsign+channum, though |
| 16:01 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: I realize that, but DVB does not hold to that standard. I'm not asking that the standard be changed, but that maybe in this instance it be ignored or made configurable. |
| 16:01 | <gbee> | xris: since when? That _IS_ a bad assumption IMHO, because BBCONE on one source is guarenteed to have a different channum on another source |
| 16:01 | <gnome42> | xris: Oh, that was intentional? |
| 16:02 | <gnome42> | I thought it was a bug :) |
| 16:02 | <gbee> | gnome42: I'd describe it as one for the reason above |
| 16:02 | <MrGandalf> | too many standards to follow.. |
| 16:04 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: I know that nowhere outside the US follows that callsign convention, but how many overlapping callsigns are we talking about? 12 is easily fixable from the user end, 100 is maybe a problem |
| 16:04 | <xris> | gbee: I agree that it's a bad assumption... but that's what someone did as the "fix" when users complained about the callsign grouping |
| 16:05 | <xris> | we really should just come up with a "group by" field and use whichever grouping is appropriate for the source.. callsign, dvb id trio, etc |
| 16:05 | <MrGandalf> | gree: I agree, it is easily fixable, everytime you rescan transports. |
| 16:05 | <gbee> | xris: we might as well forget the grouping entirely if it's done that way, I could see the point of it when it allowed you to group the same channel from different sources :( |
| 16:06 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: maybe making it optional is the way to go |
| 16:07 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: In this case, if the channums are different but the call signs are the same, it could be assumed the user is smart enough to select the available channel instead of the unavailable and have Myth guess at which the user really wants. |
| 16:07 | <gbee> | There are scanning modes that are supposed to prevent changes to existing callsigns etc, though they are currently broken in trunk |
| 16:08 | <xris> | gbee: long term I'd like to see an xmltv-driven source for station identifiers... |
| 16:09 | <gbee> | xris: yeah |
| 16:09 | <xris> | you'd have an xmltvid kind of field for each station that links up to a "source id + location" where location is the channel, dvb freq, etc. |
| 16:10 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: my primary reason for backing the concept of grouping on callsign is just to reduce repeated listings in the guide, if I'm using DVB-T,-S and -C I don't want three lots of BBC 1,2,3,4 etc in the guide |
| 16:10 | <xris> | but we also have time zones to think about.. scifi channel on dishnet is different than comcast anywhere but the east coast (satellites all broadcast in the eastern timezone) |
| 16:11 | <xris> | I think that's partly why myth groups by channnum now... |
| 16:11 | <gnome42> | MrGandalf: You do need to try that patch out :) |
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| 16:11 | <xris> | because people had two sources that were bringing shows in at different times of day |
| 16:11 | <gbee> | I'm not sure what the current tuning behaviour is, but the same should hold, if I select BBC One it should pick whichever source is available and that should be transparent to the user |
| 16:11 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: But the guide doesn't do that now, if the channum's are different. |
| 16:11 | <MrGandalf> | gnome42: I know :) |
| 16:12 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: it used to, or at least I thought it did (and it should, if it doesn't) |
| 16:12 | <gnome42> | http://zeke.yi.org/mythtv/fixes/mythtv_chanbase_Init_fixes6.diff |
| 16:13 | <gbee> | but we're getting into the hypothetical and theoretical, I'll let you get back to discussing the immediate problem ;) |
| 16:13 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: I have 50 or DVB radio channels, all with the same callsign but a different channum. If the channum and callsign are the same, I think it exibits the behavior you're referring to. |
| 16:14 | <MrGandalf> | gnome: same as in that ticket, correct? |
| 16:14 | <gnome42> | yep, I think so. |
| 16:14 | <MrGandalf> | k |
| 16:15 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: yeah, that's just never going to happen in the real world, the same channel having the same channum on different platforms and manually remapping channel numbers is a far bigger task than changing a few callsigns |
| 16:16 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: maybe what we should do is 'fixup' duplicate callsigns found on the same source, maybe by adding a digit e.g. CALLSIGN, CALLSIGN1, CALLSIGN2 |
| 16:16 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: I'm proposing that the one method get changed only to check to see if callsign AND channum match, instead of just callsign. |
| 16:17 | <gbee> | that would be a trivial change to the scanner |
| 16:17 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: I don't use Myth's scanner :) |
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| 16:18 | <MrGandalf> | in the end I can just patch my tree, but I see other users complaining about the same thing |
| 16:18 | <gbee> | why not (use myth's scanner)? (I know you are going to say that it doesn't work and you know that I'm going to point out that unreported bugs don't get fixed ;) ) |
| 16:18 | <MrGandalf> | or rather, I can see they will complain. |
| 16:18 | <gbee> | let's just skip answering that question |
| 16:19 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: Why not? I have to take the backend offline to do it. My scanner can be run while Myth is running. |
| 16:20 | <gbee> | you'd have to restart the backend anyway after rescanning (Active EIT will segfault if channel information is changed after the backend is started anyway) |
| 16:21 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: that used to be the case, but I haven't had a backend segfault due to that in a long time. |
| 16:21 | <MrGandalf> | anyway, it's really a matter of preference |
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| 16:34 | <justinh> | gbee: I'd agree that some kind of grouping construct is needed. would make theming easier for contexts & stuff I think, certainly if every element had to have a context flag the way it is now |
| 16:34 | <justinh> | I mean the way it would be with mythui as it is now |
| 16:35 | <gbee> | right now mythui doesn't even have the concept of contexts, that's almost certainly going to change because I can't see how it would work without them |
| 16:37 | <justinh> | gbee: that £20 tuner from maplin is worky nnow. just needed hg |
| 16:37 | <gbee> | I thinking of creating a more versatile replacement to the <container> element, a <group> element that support an inheritance/copy attribute in addition to contexts and positioning |
| 16:37 | <gbee> | justinh: cool |
| 16:37 | <gbee> | if I needed another dvb-t I'd snap one up, but I'm currently in the market for a dvb-s instead |
| 16:39 | <gbee> | containers as seen in libmyth won't make an appearance in mythui, i.e. containers won't be used in the code, they will be purely a themers device to make theming easier, no pre-defined and required containers etc |
| 16:40 | <gbee> | which is one reason why I think renaming them as <group> will help to avoid confusion |
| 16:40 | <gbee> | I'm not sure <group> even needs to accept a name attribute |
| 16:40 | <justinh> | maybe one thing to look at would be to make more information available in certain areas so themers have more choice what to show/ not show |
| 16:41 | <justinh> | gbee: maybe make the name optional to make finding things easier ;) |
| 16:42 | <justinh> | is splitting up screens into different xml files on the cards still? |
| 16:42 | <gbee> | justinh: yeah |
| 16:42 | <gbee> | justinh: yep |
| 16:42 | <justinh> | much coolness :) |
| 16:43 | <gbee> | one thing has bothered me about it though |
| 16:44 | <justinh> | the splitting up? |
| 16:44 | <gbee> | it can slow down loading if each window is loaded on demand from a different xml, maybe not enough to be a problem though |
| 16:45 | <justinh> | ahhh that might explain why it's been done that way already |
| 16:45 | <justinh> | right. time to svn up & find out what all this multirec fuss is about :D |
| 16:46 | <gbee> | I'm can't really remember if libmyth preloads the entire ui.xml on startup, mythui currently does for base.xml so anything defined in base.xml and loaded with CreateCopyFromBase() is faster that LoadWindowFromXML() |
| 16:47 | <justinh> | gbee: I don't think it does. I've made changes to different parts of ui.xml without having to esc back out of things |
| 16:47 | <gbee> | but at the same time, all images and widgets are stored in memory if they exist in base.xml, so you swap speed for memory consumption |
| 16:48 | <gbee> | justinh: in that case there won't be a difference, so there isn't anything to worry about |
| 16:48 | <justinh> | e.g. in the program guide window, edit recording options xml, go into rec options, see changes, edit recording options xml again, back to epg, ... |
| 16:48 | <justinh> | never know - if anything it might even be faster :) |
| 16:49 | <gbee> | if anything, splitting them up should be faster because it has less to parse (ok, so only microseconds) |
| 16:49 | * | gbee just read what you wrote |
| 16:50 | * | gbee shouldn't be dividing his attention between IRC, TV and editing metallurgy |
| 16:50 | <justinh> | rather chuffed with this dvb tuner. cheapest ever shop bought model. had to endure questions from the 'salesperson' though. NO, it's not for Windows... "muhhh but it doesn't mention linux on the box".. "I've looked it up. it's supported".. "yeah but... " "no but.. I know what I'm doing. These are not the droids you're looking for... " |
| 16:52 | <gbee> | hehe, I enjoy the opportunity to torture sales people |
| 16:52 | <gbee> | especially at PC World |
| 16:52 | <gbee> | not that I go in there more than once a year |
| 16:53 | <justinh> | I only go there when I know there's a special on for something cheaper than anywhere else |
| 16:53 | <gbee> | and even then, only under protest |
| 16:53 | <justinh> | inkjet printer only £2.. USB cable(£50) not included |
| 16:53 | <gbee> | lmao |
| 16:54 | <gbee> | I'm amazed the printer cable con has endured without anyone taking the various retailers/manufacturers to court |
| 16:56 | <gbee> | #4530 << Pretty sure somewhere among my vast collection of patches I've already written that one, not that I will bother to try and find it |
| 16:56 | <justinh> | heard some sordid tales of workmates going to snap up bargain printers only to have the shop staff almost harangue them into buying a cable and/or ext. warranty. would you buy an extended warranty for a £20 printer for £50 ? |
| 16:58 | <gbee> | justinh: when I hear some of the crap spewed from PC World staff it makes my blood boil, but I have to remind myself that they don't know any better |
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| 16:59 | <gbee> | it must be a pretty soul destroying job where two thirds of the customers know more about IT than you do |
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| 17:00 | <gnome42> | gbee: That fact never seems to phase them in the slightest here :) |
| 17:01 | <gnome42> | yeah, the high pressure sales tactics on the extra warranty is brutal. |
| 17:03 | <gnome42> | I tell them I get better warranty from credit card for free. (loudly, so everyone in line can hear) |
| 17:04 | <gnome42> | Usually by the forth or fifth time they stop the hard sell :) |
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| 17:05 | <justinh> | right. done updating the linuxtv wiki. what am I gonna spend the rest of the compile waiting time on I wonder? |
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| 17:07 | <gnome42> | cocktails? |
| 17:09 | <justinh> | nah have to stay sober cos I'm in standby taxi mode |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | gbee, more inheritance in the mythcontrols port? |
| 17:14 | <gbee> | ? |
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| 17:16 | <gbee> | you mean the functions declared as virtual when they shouldn't be? or something else? |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | in the theme xml |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | ie |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | leftlist and rightlist are identical, aside from their location |
| 17:18 | <gbee> | we could use more inheritance there, aye in the buttons |
| 17:18 | <gbee> | and lists |
| 17:18 | <gbee> | yeah |
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| 17:18 | <Chutt> | _ideally_, the list definition would come from base.xml |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | (and buttons) |
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| 17:19 | <gbee> | I'll fix that, it was just easier to make sure I didn't miss anything from the existing theme to write out the definitions in full |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | it just doesn't look like there's a benefit to switching to mythui if the xml files are the same complexity :p |
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| 17:19 | <gbee> | aye |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | also, your earlier conversation about containers/etc |
| 17:19 | <gbee> | agree totally |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | i would've sworn i had implemented that |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | as just a generic 'mythuitype' with children |
| 17:20 | <gbee> | Chutt: can't remember seeing anything in xmlparsebase, but I'll check again |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | anyway, if you do need/want that, you don't need a new class type |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | the base class _should_ be fine for that |
| 17:21 | <gbee> | I want to move all the font definitions out of controls-ui and appear-ui too, but thought justin might give me a hand picking sensible default sizes etc |
| 17:22 | <gbee> | Chutt: yeah, that was my plan |
| 17:27 | <gbee> | I was going to expand the base class to accomodate a new feature which would form part of the group/container idea, an "id" attribute which would be appended to the name of every child widget e.g. <group id="1">, primarily for use in mythweather where in the 3, 6, 8 day weather forecasts you have the same repeating grouping of images and text |
| 17:28 | <gbee> | so you'd define the group once and then for the rest you'd just put <group name="grouptwo" id="2" from="groupone"><position>x,y</position></group> |
| 17:29 | <gbee> | could make theming mythweather 10x easier |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:33 | <gbee> | if you any thoughts/objections I'd be happy to hear them, I don't want to deviate too far from your original idea |
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| 17:46 | <gbee> | Chutt: what happens if a widget inherits from something in base.xml in the default theme, but that definition doesn't exist in the users theme? |
| 17:47 | <justinh> | heh that group idea is great - could wipe out whoknows how much xml from mytharchive :) |
| 17:49 | <gbee> | forget the question it doesn't really matter, if the screen broke the themer would then be forced to fix it, end of story |
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| 17:49 | <justinh> | you can't do everything for theme creators/manglers ;) |
| 17:50 | <justinh> | reminds me I need to actually write my notional 'to-do' list down somewhere so I can keep track |
| 17:57 | <gbee> | well something is broken in the button inheritance |
| 17:57 | * | gbee dons his bug hunting cap |
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| 18:12 | <gbee> | can't see why button inheritance wouldn't be working, we call CopyFrom() during the parsing/screen creation phase anyway, so I know it works |
| 18:14 | <gbee> | hmm, did I not check in the visibility bug fix to trunk? |
| 18:15 | <gbee> | apparently not :p |
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| 18:36 | <gbee> | justinh: when you've got trunk up and running, do you want to take a look at appear-ui.xml and add any inheritance you think is needed? Or would you rather I did it? |
| 18:40 | <justinh> | I'll have a peek at it. my brain needs some action |
| 18:42 | <justinh> | wth? ./configure: 716: Syntax error: redirection unexpected |
| 18:43 | <justinh> | erm... just ran ./configure --help on mythplugins with svn recently checked out. weird! |
| 18:44 | <justinh> | hmm think I'd better wipe out this checkout & re-check out |
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| 18:46 | <justinh> | had remnants of a diff left in there. did I just miss a commit or something? wasn't my diff |
| 18:46 | <justinh> | nope. last commit on configure in mythplugins was my own |
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| 18:53 | <justinh> | right. new checkout got. make && make install that baby |
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| 18:55 | <justinh> | never seen the likes of what was left in the configure script. diffs between a release & 'mine' (er.. not my 'mine')... and most of the file was ok but for a couple of sections |
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| 19:01 | <gbee> | justinh: that's as a result of a conflict between a local patch and a change in trunk, when you updated it was unable to automatically resolve the conflict so the local changes are marked as "mine" so that you can go in there and work out how to merge them manually |
| 19:01 | <rooau1> | justinh: That would be from a "svn up", it is the result of svn not being able to merge your local changes with the updates committed to the repo. |
| 19:01 | <justinh> | figures |
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| 19:02 | <justinh> | yeah I've not set up my dev box with a proper logged-in checkout, so I've copied changes over in the past |
| 19:02 | <rooau1> | You could have "svn revert file" then "svn resolved file", which would remove the three other files that were created. |
| 19:02 | <justinh> | that'd be it then :) |
| 19:03 | <justinh> | I might make my own configurer one of these days.. "do you want to build X Y Z ?" rather than the --disable-all --enable-foo --enable-bar |
| 19:03 | <justinh> | or just scriptify it to hell. a job my clone can do when he arrives |
| 19:06 | <gbee> | ./configure --prev |
| 19:07 | <justinh> | doh. and I'm saying I want to have a go at some code tonight? methinks I am somewhat misguided |
| 19:07 | <gbee> | grr, button inheritance is still broken, just differently |
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| 19:12 | <MrGandalf> | is there a nice way to tell the backend that the frontend has exited livetv? damn backend keeps getting stuck. |
| 19:13 | <MrGandalf> | ah, figured it out.. delete its recording |
| 19:13 | <MrGandalf> | but then the frontend locks.. hrm |
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| 19:30 | <MrGandalf> | janneg: would you happen to be around? |
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| 19:42 | <justinh> | oh. full scan didn't work with freeview here |
| 19:42 | <justinh> | a tuned scan does though |
| 19:44 | <justinh> | then doing a full scan of existing muxes.. badabing |
| 19:44 | <MrGandalf> | freeview, uk? |
| 19:44 | <justinh> | yup |
| 19:45 | <MrGandalf> | figures, nothing's free here in the US |
| 19:46 | <justinh> | full scan worked last time I set up from scratch |
| 19:48 | <justinh> | whoah that icon downloader rocks! |
| 19:48 | <MrGandalf> | I need to try that |
| 19:48 | <MrGandalf> | if it has US icons, that is |
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| 19:52 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: it does |
| 19:53 | <gbee> | the icons are from lyngsat and the mapping from xmltvid, callsign or dvb/atsc ids is done by the user |
| 19:53 | <MrGandalf> | slick |
| 19:53 | <MrGandalf> | probably wouldn't work for me though since I modify my callsigns. I should put together a perl script. |
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| 19:54 | <gbee> | if the icons aren't already mapped to your channel, then you'll be offered a search/select interface, once you've picked the correct icon that mapping is submitted back to the server for future users |
| 19:54 | <justinh> | whee 4 simultaneous recordings from mux 1 |
| 19:54 | <justinh> | ouch! over 50% cpu usage |
| 19:55 | <justinh> | max is just over 60% on this athlon 800 |
| 19:55 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: again, sounds excellent for the normal user. I wouldn't want to add mappings for my modified callsigns. :) |
| 19:55 | <justinh> | so prolly not enough grunt to record 5 & play a recording back |
| 19:56 | <MrGandalf> | I add a symbol signifying the provider and orbital location |
| 19:56 | <justinh> | mysqld is eating 10% cpu. heh |
| 19:56 | <MrGandalf> | justinh: seems kinda high |
| 19:57 | <MrGandalf> | I mean 4 is less than half an HD multiplex. |
| 19:57 | <justinh> | hmmm |
| 19:57 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: are ATSC/DVB and what listings provider? Since we also match independantly on xmltvid and dvb/atsc service/net ids it would still work even with modified callsigns |
| 19:58 | <Captain_Murdoch> | sphery: yeah, one of my reasons for getting rid of those extra MSqlQuerys in there was just because I don't like seeing all those connections firing off in my logs when I startup. :) I figured while I was in there testing your mod I'd just change it to use one var instead of 3. |
| 19:58 | <justinh> | ahh one channel is guff. my mistake |
| 19:58 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: the dvb/atsc serviceid match would work perfectly for me |
| 19:58 | <gbee> | the mappings are approved by some of the devs after submission, so the 'bogus' callsign mappings would just get denied |
| 19:58 | <justinh> | 26% recording 3 channels |
| 19:58 | <MrGandalf> | genious |
| 19:58 | <gbee> | but the atsc mappings etc would still go into the database |
| 19:59 | <MrGandalf> | sounds like a well thought out process |
| 19:59 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: thank xris for that, he did a fantastic job designing the backend of the process |
| 19:59 | <MrGandalf> | I will |
| 19:59 | <MrGandalf> | especially after I give it a try tomorrow :) |
| 20:00 | <MrGandalf> | I wrote a script long ago which scrubbed lyngsat and entered the paths into the db, but I haven't been keeping that up |
| 20:00 | <gbee> | we get a nide admin interface which lists how many users have submitted a particular match, once enough users have agreed on the same one we can approve the match and all future users get the icons automatically without needing to pick from a list |
| 20:01 | <MrGandalf> | how much administrative overhead is there? |
| 20:02 | <justinh> | 5 recordings at once from one mux, 65% cpu |
| 20:02 | <gbee> | once we've built up the database, not much really |
| 20:03 | <justinh> | doh |
| 20:03 | <justinh> | nah I'm going from the %CPU field in top |
| 20:04 | <justinh> | the dvb module is using almost 5% cpu. lol |
| 20:06 | <MrGandalf> | because of the filters set, no doubt |
| 20:07 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/services_mythtv.png |
| 20:07 | <justinh> | MrGandalf: anyway normal or not, that's the cpu usage I'm getting with a freshly installed trunk |
| 20:07 | <gbee> | now obviously one of those mappings is wrong, so it can be denied |
| 20:08 | <MrGandalf> | looks pretty easy to maintain |
| 20:09 | <gbee> | http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/services_mythtv1.png |
| 20:10 | <MrGandalf> | they look familiar |
| 20:11 | <gbee> | just takes a certain number of users before it reaches critical mass |
| 20:11 | <MrGandalf> | I definately need to test that feature tomorrow |
| 20:12 | <justinh> | anyway I'm not saying i think over 50% cpu usage is excessive. this is my crusty old dev box here. not often I'd record more than 5 shows at once anyway |
| 20:12 | <MrGandalf> | now all that's needed is for the icons to be svg and to add svg support into Myth ;) |
| 20:12 | <justinh> | 'all' hahahah |
| 20:13 | <justinh> | actually I think qt4 supports svg |
| 20:13 | <MrGandalf> | justinh: true.. my box sits at >50% alomost all the time sitting idle |
| 20:13 | <justinh> | hmm cpu usage just dropped way off |
| 20:13 | <MrGandalf> | well, idle == eit scanner running |
| 20:14 | <MrGandalf> | sounds like eit |
| 20:14 | <justinh> | down to 4 recordings now, 13.8 % |
| 20:15 | <justinh> | and another recording... 20% CPU now |
| 20:15 | <justinh> | ahh yeah mysqld usage dropped down to under 2%. must've been EIT data |
| 20:20 | <MrGandalf> | damn, myth really has bad backend <-> frontend communications problems.. |
| 20:41 | <dekarl> | gbee: the xmltvids look like references to the xmltvid table? |
| 20:44 | * | justinh edits videosource.cpp just for fun. 10, not 5 |
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| 20:54 | <justinh> | 9 simultaneous recordings from the same mux. approx 20% cpu |
| 20:54 | <justinh> | very impressed |
| 20:58 | <justinh> | and another. very nice |
| 20:58 | <justinh> | dunno if I'd do this with all 3 tuners though! |
| 20:59 | <justinh> | right. time to be taxi again. see yer in the morning |
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| 21:32 | <superm1> | woah 9 recordings :)? |
| 21:34 | <gbee> | Chutt: if you get a chance, could you take a look at MythUIButton::CopyFrom(), I've got it wrong but I can't see the right solution |
| 21:43 | <gbee> | basically m_BackgroundImage (and some others) need to point to the copies of the objects we just made, I've tried GetChild() but for whatever reason it's not working out |
| 21:50 | <gbee> | oh hang on... |
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| 22:33 | <MrGandalf> | justinh: now that sounds more like it |
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