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---Logopened Sun Feb 17 00:00:43 2008
00:01<jams>btw sphery that automatic db backup has broken the script.
00:01<jams>the db backup is not a recording so it's seen as a unkown file
00:02<jams>maybe broken is the wrong word, but it did affect it.
00:02<jams>my hobbit check is now on constant alert.
00:03<sphery>jams: IMHO, MrGandalf's script in #4599 should completely replace, as doesn't use the Perl bindings.
00:03<jams>did that make it into .21?
00:03<xris>sphery: fixed
00:03*sphery would love to see someone commit #4599 and svn remove contrib/
00:04<sphery>xris: thx
00:04<xris>thx for the catch
00:05<sphery>Since I was the reporter of the ticket, I figured I should follow up (besides, I always like to see how my Perl hacks get turned into real Perl code :).
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00:05<jams>hmm that script looks likeit always cleans up vs just reporting.
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00:06<MrGandalf>if you use the -debug option, it does nothing.. could be renamed to -report if you like
00:06<sphery>Well, if nothing else, it's a good start. :) Other option is to rewrite to use the bindings (and have a/continue the proliferation of contrib scripts).
00:08<jams>guess i will just have to try it
00:08<jams>hopefully it gives an exit code based on the results
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06:15<Daviey>justinh: hey
06:31<gbee>kormoc: are we requesting a hardcoded preview offset of 220 in mythweb?
06:32<kormoc>I don't know offhand
06:33<justinh>what what what?
06:33<gbee>looks like it to me, but I'm just trying to find the relevant section in the code right now
06:35<justinh>anyway - morning all
06:36<kormoc>gbee, line 506 in modules/tv/classes/Program.php
06:36<gbee>$def_secs_in = _or(get_backend_setting('PreviewPixmapOffset'), 64) + _or(get_backend_setting('RecordPreRoll'), 0); << Could that "RecordPreRoll" bit be removed? I'd rather do that on the backend side
06:37<gbee>yeah found it
06:37<kormoc>Well, would there ever be a time where you don't want the preroll?
06:37<gbee>it's screwing up the changes I made to reduce hits on the preview generator because instead of using the pre-existing image we are always generating a new image
06:39<kormoc>that's currently the only place in mythweb we use it, so yeah, it could be changed without it bothering us
06:40<gbee>we automatically factor in PreviewPixmapOffset in the backend already if SecsIn isn't defined, we can do the same for RecordPreRoll - but mythweb explicitly requesting SecsIn, when it basically wants the same image that the backend has already created is causing unnecessary copies to be produced
06:41<kormoc>we should just not define SecsIn if it's null in our request
06:41<kormoc>that way it's all good with the backend as well
06:42<kormoc>I would love it if the function didn't need to figure out any defaults
06:45<gbee>kormoc: it shouldn't really have to, that's covered by the backend - if width/height/secsin are omitted from the request the defaults are used
06:46<gbee>the defaults in this case being 320x240 and PreviewPixmapOffset
06:46<gbee>I'm just accounting for RecordPreRoll in the defaults too
06:48<gbee>so SecsIn will be PreviewPixmapOffset + RecordPreRoll if SecsIn is not part of the GetPreviewImage request string
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06:59<gbee>yeah, just checked, preview generator already includes RecordPreRoll, so if I make the same change to mythxml, then mythweb has no need to provide SecsIn unless it explicitly wants something else
07:02<kormoc>sounds good
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07:14<Balachmar>Hi guys, just curious but what software are you guys using to develop in?
07:16<stuarta>occasionally kdevelop
07:17<gbee>depends on the situation - quick change to a single file, emacs or vi
07:17<gbee>changes to 2/3 files, kate
07:18<gbee>but usually kdevelop where I'll have anything upto 30 files open at a time
07:19<Balachmar>I'm trying out kdevelop atm for other things I am using Scite
07:19<kormoc>komodo edit/ide, jedit, or vim
07:22<gbee>ultraedit, hands down the best editor available for Windows IMHO (or it was at the time I still had Windows machines, 2/3 years ago)
07:24<Balachmar>In my opinion devving on a linux based machine is a lot easier
07:24<Balachmar>better tools available easier installation of extra libraries etc.
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07:33<Balachmar>by the way is md5 used in mythtv, so taht I can reuse the same dependancy?
07:33<Balachmar>Because I need to calculate an md5 hash
07:33<kormoc>check the qt docs, they likely have one
07:39<Balachmar>yupz thank you
07:39<rooaus>Balachmar: Does Eskil's shoutcast patch have much overlap with the radio stuff you are working on?
07:41<Balachmar>@rooaus, maybe later but at least not with this part. Currently I am working on the scrobbling, so only sending usage info to lastfm
07:41<Balachmar>Later with the radio part, I might need to look at the patch you mention
07:41<Balachmar>Do you have a link for that?
07:42<rooaus> from memory, recently updated.
07:47<Balachmar>@rooaus: as far as I can see now, I might only have to add a few things to his code... but that is just first glance
07:48<Balachmar>And maybe some other things as well, since you are able to skip tracks with the lastfm radio
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07:51<rooaus>Balachmar: Cool.
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07:52<Balachmar>But first I am stuck on how to use md5 from Qt....
07:53<Balachmar>Because I have found this:
07:53<rooaus>heh, the qtdocs can be a bit hit and miss I find (but then I am not a programmer), some things are well covered by examples and others are barely mentioned. :)
07:54<Balachmar>So I should be able to include the md5 function using: #include "md5.h" right?
07:54<rooaus>Balachmar: Not sure if there is any difference, but I would refer to the 3.3 docs as myth currently doesn't support qt4.
07:56<Balachmar>@rooaus: smart, seems to be 4.2 specific...
08:00<Balachmar>Seems there is also a our_md5 file in mythtv...
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08:03<rooaus>cool, have you found the developer docs yet? They can be built from the mythtv/docs dir or online.
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08:03<Balachmar>where is it online?
08:05<Balachmar>you mean the manual for mythtv installation?
08:06<rooaus>Balachmar: gbee is hosting the trunk docs at
08:07<janneg>Balachmar: libavutil has a md5 implematation
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08:08<Balachmar>@janneg any idea on how to use it?
08:11<rooaus>Balachmar: No, there is doxgen documentation that can be built from the source as well. If you have doxygen installed run "make devdocs" from the docs dir.
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08:14<Balachmar>Could someone explain how to include this file?
08:14<Balachmar>it is in /mythtv/libs/libavutil/md5
08:15<Balachmar>but I think my lack of c++ experience is kicking in here...
08:15<Balachmar>I just want to get this md5 thing working before my girlfriend is getting cross with me :)
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08:17<gbee>rebuilding dev docs now, that copy is six weeks old
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08:18<Balachmar>yes, but now my problem is not finding the file, but actually including the functionallity
08:19<Balachmar>it should be something like #include <md5.h>
08:20<Balachmar>but that doesn't work cause it seems unable to find it then
08:21<janneg>Balachmar: depends where you need the functionality. if it's a plugin we have to install the header
08:22<Balachmar>I need it in a plugin yes
08:22<Balachmar>md5.h is on my machine
08:23<Balachmar>maybe I should add the directory in the makefile or something
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08:30<Balachmar>@gbee: I don't think that will matter for me... Since I am just stuck on how to make my program know where to find the md5.h
08:32<Balachmar>The only thing I can find that uses md5 is live media which uses their own file...
08:34<Balachmar>I can also use mhash, which is installed on my machine, but this will add another dependancy
08:43<rooaus>Balachmar: Others may need to correct me, but my understanding is: Anything in mythtv builds against libraries in the mythtv source dir etc but the plugins require the libs/headers to be "installed" to build against.
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08:44<janneg>Balachmar: copy the md5.h from libavutil into your directory and link against libmythavutil
08:44<janneg>I'll add md5.h to the installed headers later.
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08:45<Balachmar>@janneg could you be a bit more specific on what I should do, the copying ofcourse I get :)
08:46<Balachmar>that linking is done in the makefile or not?
08:46<rooaus>night all
08:46<Balachmar>night :)
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09:07<gbee>okolsi: committed fixes for your utf8 upnp problems, I'd appreciate it if you can confirm that fixes all the problems
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09:38<Tr1p>HI . im a mythbuntu user but im adding IMDB to my movies , doe i always have to do it manual with "Find IMDB" or is there a option FIND ALL IMDB OF MY MOVIES ?
09:38<laga_>TRY #MYTHBUNTU
09:39<Balachmar>Tr1p or ask in mythtv-users
09:39<Tr1p>they dont know
09:39<Balachmar>because this is a development channel
09:44<Balachmar>could someone explain to me what janneg meant by linking against libmythavutil?
09:45<Balachmar>I don't know what to write in which file
09:45<CDev>What's the deal with all of the "White space clean up". Makes my code far less readable to me..
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09:55<Dibblah>CDev: Seems to conform to to me...
09:55<Dibblah>The 80 character guideline is the one that's annoying, I guess?
09:58<CDev>THe 80 characters seems dated. But it's change just for the sake of change.
09:58<CDev>Makes understanding what actually was in the commit harder and this close to a release can introduce typos that are are to catch.
09:59<CDev>are are == are hard
10:00<Dibblah>Personally speaking, whitespace changes should be seperated from functional changes.
10:00<Dibblah>But... That's sometimes harder than it sounds :(
10:03<gbee>I'll not disagree - I'd made most of the whitespace changes a while ago and it wasn't until after I made the utf8 fixes that I realised I wasn't working against a clean file
10:04<gbee>I got a little carried away with adhering to the coding standards, started out just fixing tabs and places where identing was completely off
10:04<Balachmar>gbee: do you have any idea on how I can use the same md5.h as is in libavutil ?
10:04<gbee>in retrospect I probably would have left the 80 char stuff alone
10:06<gbee>Balachmar: you need to edit the libavutil project file so that md5.h is installed to the mythtc includes directory (usually /usr/local/include/mythtv/)
10:07<gbee>see the inc.path, inc.files stuff in libs/libmyth/ for an example
10:07<gbee>oh nevermind, it _IS_ installed under mythtv/ffmpeg
10:08<Balachmar>so I need to include <mythtv/ffmpeg/md5.h>
10:08<gbee>so just do #include <mythtv/ffmpeg/md5.h>
10:10<Balachmar>you might just saved me a couple of more ours...
10:11<Balachmar>mmm I get the following error:musicplayer.cpp:851: error: ‘md5’ was not declared in this scope
10:16<Balachmar>mmm, I guess I am trying to use it in the wrong way...
10:17<Balachmar>here is a doc:
10:18<Balachmar>As far as I know the only thing I want is like this String = md5(String)
10:18<Balachmar>or something like that
10:21<Tr1p>steven@MediaCenter:~/imdbupdater$ ./ -N -Fileup -Exclude =============================================================================
10:21<Tr1p>Retrieving Video Path for this MediaCenter from mythconverg.settings
10:21<Tr1p>DBI connect('mythconverg:','mythtv',...) failed: Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at ./ line 566
10:21<Tr1p>Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at ./ line 568.
10:21<gbee>Tr1p: pastebin please
10:22<gbee>Balachmar: the ffmpeg md5 doesn't look like what you want, it's specifically written for doing checksum checks on av packets
10:22<gbee>you'll probably need to require the md5 libs are installed
10:22<Balachmar>gbee: aah... it shouldn't be too hard to get an md5 of a string should it
10:23<Balachmar>I know it is easy in python... But then again a lot of things are easier in python...
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10:26<GreyFoxx>gbee: Ever notice this behaviour in mythvideos video list under mythcenter-wide before?
10:26<GreyFoxx>Rather than being a 2 column tree it's displaying 3
10:27<gbee>don't use mythvideo very much or mythcenter-wide, so no
10:27<gbee>does it happen all the time, or only sometimes?
10:28<gbee>may be intentional, not sure
10:28<GreyFoxx>So far seems to be all the time
10:28<GreyFoxx>I switched yesterday after installign the new TV
10:28<GreyFoxx>and as I scramble aorund to try all kinda of material I noticed it :)
10:32<GreyFoxx>Of course now with HDTV, SDTV recordings look like crap for the most part :)
10:34<GreyFoxx>so now I need to rework my recording rules to favour the HDTV source... just not sure how I'll do it
10:34<gbee>GreyFoxx: ok, definately intentional - the widescreen version of video-ui.xml includes a third bin which isn't there in the non-wide version
10:35<GreyFoxx>gbee: Ok, just looks odd without a frame around it
10:35<Balachmar>Does anyone know of a library I can use to calculate the md5 of a string? The more normal it is to have installed the better, since it will be a dependancy
10:35<gbee>GreyFoxx: different channels, or different sources?
10:35<GreyFoxx>gbee: both
10:36<GreyFoxx>WCVB = SDTV over analog cable AND dvb, WCVBDT = hdtv over firewire
10:36<gbee>GreyFoxx: right, just thinking that you either want to look at card priorities or channel priorities - but maybe both in your case :)
10:36<GreyFoxx>and some of the HD channels are from another timezone so the shows are shifted by an hour
10:36<GreyFoxx>I'd rather it wait and get the HD one if possible
10:38<gbee>GreyFoxx: under recording priorities or something you can tell it to record the higher priority instead of the first shown (reschedule Higher Priorities) which may do what you want
10:39<gbee>dunno as I've never used it for that purpose, but I keep that option on all the time
10:39<GreyFoxx>I've used priorities to make mine prefer my DVB source over the analog one for shwos with the same channel on both
10:39<GreyFoxx>but never accross video sources heh
10:40<gbee>I'd play with a combination of channel priorities and other settings, seeing if that gives you the desired results in your upcoming recordings
10:42<gbee>oh and under the "Set Recording Priorities" menu their is a HDTV priority boost option too, HDTV programmes which are marked as such in the database get an automatic increase in priority
10:42<gbee>but since I don't have HDTV, I've never tried any of these things
10:43<GreyFoxx>I'll check that out
10:43<GreyFoxx>right now I set a show for tonight on the analog side and HD side and both are scheduled to record :)
10:43<GreyFoxx>the callsigns differ but the describe is identicial (except for the HDTV flag)
10:44<gbee>seperate schedules?
10:44<GreyFoxx>yup, 1 starts at 7, the other 10
10:44<gbee>nah, I mean - is it one recording rule, or two?
10:44<GreyFoxx>2 record this show once reules
10:45<gbee>yeah, scheduler isn't smart enough to see that two seperate rules are really the same - you have to use one "Find and record one showing of this title" rule
10:45<GreyFoxx>hmmm well if I use "find and record one showing of this title" it implies it will search other channels
10:46<GreyFoxx>and if I can prioritize the HDTV channel it might use that
10:46<GreyFoxx>though I suppose non of this is really development related :)
10:46<gbee>that's the hope
10:51<Balachmar>gbee: Could I maybe use the our_md5.h from mythtv/libs/libmythlivemedia/liveMedia/our_md5.h?
10:52<gbee>Balachmar: if it looks easier to hash a string with that library, then sure
10:52<Balachmar>Well, I want to add as little dependencies as possible
10:53<gbee>someone has just suggested adding sex, violence and swearing autoskipping to mythtv ( -- am I alone in wondering why parents would even choose a film containing any of those things for their children to watch? Isn't that what certification is for??
10:54<gbee>Balachmar: sure, that's a good goal but don't go to too much trouble trying to adapt an unsuitable library for the job
10:56<gbee>we already have three md5 libraries and that's not just an oversight, each one is specific for a task and modifying them would be unnecessary work
11:03<Balachmar>And do you happen to know if any one of those does this: The md5() function takes a string and returns the 32-byte ASCII hexadecimal representation of the MD5 hash, using lower case characters for the hex values.
11:03<Balachmar>Because that is what I need, that is all...
11:06<Balachmar>Or I could just add the md5 stuff from the LastFM player
11:06<Balachmar>They include it
11:06<Balachmar>I'll go for that option
11:08<gbee>I'd suggest that's easier - the livemedia one looks like it could be used, but I'm only guessing from the code and there is no documentation on how it should be used
11:09<gbee>it's certainly not as easy as feeding a single string to a function and getting the result in return
11:09<gbee>the static Encode() function in that lib looks promising
11:10<gbee>but looks like it expects the input to be an unsigned int, not a string
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11:18<Balachmar>@gbee which lib?
11:19<Balachmar>I am really feeling lost at the moment, calculating an md5 of a string shouldn't be this hard! I can do it on the commandline very easy
11:19<gbee>libmythlivemedia/our_md5.h -- I think you'd be happier with the lastfm player version though
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11:21<Balachmar>@gbee not at this moment :)
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11:23<Balachmar>I'm quitting for today... you are right about the our_md5 though looks nice, but doesn't do strings
11:23<Balachmar>I'll dive into the lastfm code tomorrow or something
11:24<Balachmar>I know it is in there... just need to find it :)
11:24<Balachmar>Thanks for the help though! Greatly appreciated
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11:24<Chutt>there's md5 code in libavsomethingorother
11:28<superm1>why are the lines related to telling the person running configure faad, faac, and liba52 BLOCK_QUOTE'd out in configure? The included ffmpeg will still build against them and such.
11:29<Chutt>they used to be pretty useless to myth users
11:30<superm1>what about folks who have AAC in movies though watching via internal. wouldn't that be feasible to use?
11:30<Chutt>it should be changed to autodetect
11:31<Chutt>well, not libav52
11:31<Chutt>err, a52
11:31<superm1>but faad at least
11:31<superm1>i'm not faac would be all that useful either though
11:33<superm1>*not sure
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13:45<jarle>not much luck in #mythtv-users so I'll give it a try here: when tuning to a dvb-s channel, which tables in the does myth have to go through to figure out which diseqc port it has to tune to get the specific channel?
13:45<laga_>jarle: -v database and find out yourself
13:46<jarle>laga_: on the backend?
13:47<laga_>no, on the moon
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13:59*jarle is buried in information from -v database :)
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15:33<gbee>xris: could we re-sync against lyngsat? A couple of new channels are missing
15:34<xris>rescanning now
15:35<stuarta>i'm interested to know if it finds channel4+1
15:36<xris>it'll be awhile
15:37<gbee>channel4+1 doesn't have an icon yet, does it?
15:37<gbee>guess I can find out easily enough
15:37<stuarta>last i checked there was an icon on lyngsat
15:37<gbee>xris: thanks
15:37*stuarta checks to be sure
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15:37<xris>I really need to start putting my *open* channel database idea down and get it implemented
15:38<gbee>stuarta: not one there at the moment -
15:38<xris>lyngsat wasn't willing to work with us because of their commercial arm.. they sell their data like TMS does
15:40<xris>I think we can do it better in the open source community
15:41<xris>kind of wish the people had written me back
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15:43<GreyFoxx>xris: This is what I have been using for the last couple days for screenshots. works fine so far
15:44*GreyFoxx waits for the call to go out to supper
15:44*jams grabs the diff
15:44<xris>I'll compile and test it now
15:46*xris praises chinese medicine and the magical sore throat cure
15:47<stuarta>i bet it tasted like crap
15:51<xris>I like it.
15:53<xris>yeah, one of the myth files REALLY doesn't like ccache
15:56<xris>let's see how it does with fewer compile processes
15:59<xris>looks like myth + ccache + -j4 don't get along
16:00<stuarta>probably some odd cross dependencies that aren't picked up
16:03<xris>GreyFoxx: that patch breaks something
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16:04<xris>but let me re-patch/re-compile to make sure.
16:04<hads>xris: I use ccache+ -j8 and don't see any issues (usually).
16:05<xris>hads: odd
16:05<xris>mine hangs consistently with -j4 on one of the media player files
16:05<xris>locks up the whole cpu
16:06<danielk22>nice make -j[num of cpus avail +1] works for me..
16:06<xris>I'll bump it to -j5 and see.. figured I should use -j4 to leave me one cpu available for other stuff
16:07<xris>GreyFoxx: odd, compile worked that time.
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16:15<xris>GreyFoxx: I get "connection refused" now
16:15<xris>oh, it crashed the frontend
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16:19<xris>GreyFoxx: still doesn't work for me
16:19<xris>that's what I get in the console when I try a screenshot
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16:26<xris>GreyFoxx: I left off some info. here's another one:
16:26<xris>so whatever the problem is, it's something inherEnt in my compile, or my version of qt, or ....
16:27<xris>sphery: fyi, the lyngsat scan is done
16:28<xris>hmm, scheduler query seems to be semi-broken. looks like any show that ever existed as a zero-byte recording gets re-recorded.
16:29<xris>either that or my db is losing "never record" data
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17:23<jams>GreyFoxx- just tried the patch, saving to /tmp now works as expected. Also it only captures the myth window, not my full desktop.
17:29<jams>using the http calls takes a little longer but appears to work
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18:05<xris>jams: at least yours works. I wonder why mine crashes.
18:13<rooaus>hads, Anduin: I just noticed this on a trunk build, Seems the bindings are installed into the source tree. Haven't looked into it further yet, I need to head out but will have a look later.
18:15<gnome42>Hiya everyone! Is Nigel around? (Re: #4693)
18:15<hads>rooaus: That's strange, not something I've seen before. Any weird options to configure?
18:17<gbee>gnome42: Nigel is never in here
18:17<gnome42>gbee: ok, thanks for the info :)
18:18<gbee>but then I never thought I'd see danielk22 in here as much as he has been lately
18:18<danielk22>i'm sick, so I'm not getting much programming done anyway :]
18:19<Anduin>rooaus: No INSTALL_ROOT?
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18:20<gnome42>danielk22: Sorry to hear that, everyone's getting sick here too it seems :/
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18:26<gbee>huh, post-commit hook didn't work for [16046]
18:26<Anduin>rooaus: Hmm, I see it, happens with no INSTALL_ROOT (which should be fine), I'll fix it.
18:37<gbee>how long should we wait for replies to infoneeded tickets before assuming that their will be no response and closing the ticket? It would be nice to have some policy on that
18:38<kormoc>1 week? 2?
18:38<mattwire>i'd say at least 4
18:39<mattwire>it can quite often take me that long to get back to looking at something
18:39<xris>I'd say 2, but I'm lazy and probably wouldn't close them until 4+
18:39<gbee>think it needs to be 2 at the least, allowing for holidays etc
18:40<gbee> but if we say 4 weeks, or 30 days that gives plenty of time
18:40<gbee>I've changed Report 19 to only list infoneeded tickets over 30 days old so they can be reviewed and culled -
18:41<rooaus>hads: No weird configure opts, just using default /usr/local prefix
18:42<rooaus>Anduin: I don't specify install_root anywhere, need to head out as the wife is getting annoyed. :(
18:44<gbee>laga_: could you take a look at #3913
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18:46<laga_>gbee: yes, next week. somewhat busy right now. thanks for reminding me, i've meant to verify this for some time :/
18:46<gbee>thanks :)
18:47<waini>someone here using sasc-ng?
18:47<waini>excuse me
18:48<laga_>waini: no
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18:49<laga_>apple, sasc-ng? huh?
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19:32<kormoc>Mmm... Javascript classes...
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19:56<xris>so in case anyone is curious, mythweather apparently segfaults if it can't find the configured weather scripts...
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20:03<xris>gbee: ^^ (not sure how to get around that -- I can't seem to change sources)
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20:16<dhr>mythreplex, invoked by mytharchive, hangs in an infinite loop, filling the disk with a log message.
20:16<dhr>has anyone else experienced this?
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20:17<dhr>I know where the loop is. To know what the bug is, I need to know the specification for the input file that it is reading.
20:17<dhr>Is there a good spec for .mpg? It looks as if it is getting the frames wrong.
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20:48<dhr>anybody here familiar with the mythreplex code?
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21:35<Lightning>Question. I know that the current parent controls with 4 levels just uses 1 password. Considering some software I work on at work, I have a more advanced idea to do for myth but didnt want to invest the time if someone else is already modifying the parent controls to allow more flexibility. Wanted to see if anyone knew of anything being done
21:37<Anduin>Lightning: You can now have a password per level.
21:38<Lightning>Anduin, ok. i was thinking about expanding the system to more of a "level 1 users can watch tv from time x to y and only see movies in categories a, b, and c"
21:38<Lightning>think there would be interest in that?
21:38<Lightning>i havent looked at the recent svn code, just the current stable/release
21:39<Anduin>Lightning: I have no interest, but start a thread on the mail list.
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21:56<GreyFoxx>xris: I was just bitten by a failed to start firewire recording. I restarted the backend and the recording started happily
21:56<GreyFoxx>it was complaining over and over about no data until I restarted it
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23:12<Anduin>Chutt: Do you know if we ever had permission from IMDB?
23:38<GreyFoxx>bah, myth wont play my new h164 mp4 file
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