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---Logopened Fri Feb 22 00:00:14 2008
00:15<Chutt>and no lirc
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00:24<superm1>local change killed it?
00:25<Chutt>broke my remote and lcd
00:27<Chutt>hey, remote works
00:28<Chutt>time to try and compile the old imon_vfd module
00:29<superm1>if you sort out what your issue is with the vfd and would like to see the eventual patch in, let me know and i'll get it added to l-u-m so others can benefit
00:31<Chutt>what dir do i use for the linux source dir for external module compilation?
00:31<Chutt>ie, with the configuration data/etc
00:32<superm1>/usr/src/linux (after you m-a prepare - which would set up symlinks)
00:32<superm1>otherwise it is usr/share/`uname -s`
00:33<superm1>/usr/src/`uname -s`
00:33<Chutt>ah, excellent
00:33<superm1>whew i must really be off, that doesnt appear to work
00:33<superm1>its uname -something
00:33<superm1>i dont know which letter it's supposed to be :)
00:34<Chutt>m-a prepare worked
00:34<Chutt>but, still garbage on the lcd
00:34<Chutt>i wonder if it's just broken
00:34<Chutt>(the hardware, that is)
00:34<superm1>too bad you can't just cat > device on it and have it work eh?
00:34<superm1>for verification at least
00:35<Chutt>it's just a _lot_ of garbage
00:35<Chutt>on screen
00:35<Chutt>and actually, you can just cat to it :p
00:35<Chutt>but it just produces more garbage
00:35<Chutt>which is why i'm now thinking it's hardware
00:36<Chutt>ah well
00:36<Chutt>at least myth's running at 1080p now
00:36<Chutt>the opengl screen transition's a tad slow..
00:49<Chutt>oh, wonderful
00:49<Chutt>rebooted and now X won't start
00:49<Chutt>what the hell
01:02<Chutt>yay, reseating the internal usb connector for the vfd fixed it
01:02<Chutt>so, who's doing a 1080p native theme? =)
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02:29<blaform>when I run mythvideo on a remote frontend is it streaming the video from my backend or running mplayer on the frontend?
02:29<cesman>blaform: please read the topic of this channel
02:29<blaform>sorry i just read
02:42<sphery>danielk22: Just saw the issue with the db backup. I'm happy to fix anything if you have suggestions. I'm just using the DB info, including hostname, from the DatabaseParams, which--as janne mentioned--comes from mysql.txt or config.xml. I'll make a patch to add --port to the command line.
02:45<sphery>We talked about the "any random program" issue for mysqldump (and gzip), but didn't worry about it, yet, since the wget for datadirect does the same, so we'd really need a way to verify more than just the mysqldump program.
02:47<sphery>And the reason we're using mysqldump is because it's pretty well tested in comparison to any custom backup code we could write and doesn't have the same "support every known MySQL version" issues we'd have. I have a 90%-complete "native SQL" implementation that I stopped working on in preference to the mysqldump solution.
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03:33<Cheavera>My video is goind slower then my sound. How can i solve this?
03:33<Cheavera>While watching livetv
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03:44<cesman>Cheavera: please read the topic of this channel
03:46<Cheavera>cesman: Sorry!
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03:47<noclue>hello hello
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06:03<turbolover>hey guys
06:03<turbolover>anyone up
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12:56<gnome42>gbee: I might have something for the endless JumpTo loops in livetv.
12:56<gnome42>I put a couple patches on #3618
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14:08<xharada>hi all, there is any way to enable the mouse use in the MythTV Frontend?
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14:55<Cardoe>danielk22: ping
14:57<Cardoe>danielk22: You set my trac tickets to ""
14:57<Cardoe>I'm "cardoe@cardoe" or ""
14:57<Cardoe>cardoe@gmail is just a ML sorting thingy
14:58<laga_>Cardoe: i think you can register in trac. it sets a cookie and your emails gets set when you create a ticketr
15:00<Cardoe>laga_: right. There was a problem before
15:00<danielk22>cardoe: gimme the ticket #'s and I'll fix it.
15:00<Cardoe>3762 is the one I found
15:00<Cardoe>I don't believe there are others.
15:00<Cardoe>that's the ticket that I'd really like to see fixed ;)
15:02<danielk22>Heh, I've fixed the cc. You might want to ping Robert K about it. He's working on the documentation updates for 0.21.
15:03<danielk22>i'll try to remember for future ref too..
15:04<Cardoe>danielk22: thanks
15:05<Cardoe>danielk22: rkulagow?
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16:20<xris>mmm.. svn propset svn:eol-style LF
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16:26<dekarl>xris: is really LF needed?
16:26<xris>in case anyone wants it, I just updated my "fix svn props" bash function to standardize/fixup svn file properties.
16:26<xris>dekarl: it makes svn auto-correct any CRLF files that get committed
16:27<xris>which for one, prevent ack from working properly
16:27<dekarl>It makes using windows as development platform messy... Not all editors like LF line endings
16:28<gbee> ...
16:28<dekarl>that's why I prefer native unless there is a reason for LF
16:28<xris>dekarl: and people developing mythtv on windows need to be aware that crlf screws up linux editors.
16:28*xris tries to think of a GOOD editor that doesn't support LF
16:28<dekarl>they don't care as they should not need to... that's why svn handles line endings for us ;)
16:29<xris>dekarl: oh? in my experience lately, "native" just keeps the line endings in the format that they were committed as.
16:30<dekarl>xris: I cleaned them all up for another OSS project that started on linux, later was ported to windows only (port contributed back)
16:30<dekarl>I ported it to be platform independent as much as possible, so I'm quite sure (will look it up)
16:31<dekarl>bah, qmake doesn't realize that this box is FreeBSD...
16:31<gbee>ffs, why is autodiscovery broken again?
16:31<janneg>is the sorting of search results currently broken?
16:32<xris>dekarl: thanks for the correction. looks like maybe this checkout (not mythtv) is just corrupt somehow and "native" isn't being honored.
16:33<dekarl>xris: looked it up, explicit eol-style:native is what we want for text files
16:33<xris>someone should post a .subversion/config file for mythtv standards
16:34<CDev>xris: not sure how upnp clients will respond to the service/device xml files not have crlf
16:34<xris>CDev: aren't those generated, though?
16:34<dekarl>CDev: do we send files from disk or is this generated XML?
16:35<dekarl>but that's the reason I asked whether LF on some files might really be needed
16:35<janneg>r16179 broke sorting in konqueror
16:35<CDev>A combination. The template Device descriptions are xml files that we load then dynamically generate. The service description xml files are served as-is.
16:36<xris>CDev: might want to set the linebreak mode to CRLF explicitly on those files, then
16:36<janneg>CDev: why are it xml files if the device can't handle any well-formed xml
16:37<xris>though technically it shouldn't matter, unless the DATA in those files needs CRLF (the whitespace between the tags should be ignored)
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16:37<CDev>agreed that is SHOULD handle it fine... just never tested.
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16:41<Chutt>gbee, 4742's crap
16:41<Chutt>that's the point of having the enum
16:41<dekarl>xris: why text/x-html instead of text/html? (same for css, javascript) adding text/xml would be nice, too
16:42<xris>dekarl: I think x-html is actually the correct mime tye
16:42<dekarl>the x- prefix is for unregistered Xperimental types ;)
16:42<dekarl>But I can't find a list in english atm
16:44<xris>dekarl: then I certainly typod something. :)
16:45<xris>dekarl: /etc/mime.types often works. :)
16:45<xris>not sure why it's text/xml, though.. xml is a binary format
16:46<xris>oh, it's application/xml, nevermind
16:46<gbee>Chutt: hadn't looked at it, just assigned it to me because it concerned libmythui
16:46<xris>oh, and text/xml. oh well
16:46<Chutt>gbee, i just closed it
16:46<dekarl>xris: I see your on Linux (never heard of /etc/mime.types but my debian backend has it)
16:47<xris>dekarl: linux and mac. it's a standard file in linux, though
16:47<Chutt>i mean, that dynamic_cast can by replaced by a normal c cast, easily enough
16:47<Chutt>and what's the point of checking the result of _one_ dynamic_cast<>, when there's a dozen or so others in that same function?
16:48<gbee>you are right though, the chances of receiving a keypress event which isn't a keypress event are zero
16:48<xris>ah, and I used x-javascript because mime.types lists it as application/x-javascript.. but I wanted text because subversion won't diff an "application" type
16:50<dekarl>xris: Hmm keywords on source code would be nice, too (for the few files that use them let alone have a header at all :)
16:51<xris>dekarl: yeah, all of mythweb's files have them.
16:51<xris>I haven't set the other files because they're not "mine"
16:51<dekarl>I see
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16:55<justinh>evening. trying to figure out how 'upcoming recordings' works in mythfrontend - specifically how it's called from the menu. can't see any button type stuff going on for "tv_upcoming_recordings" so it's got a bit fuzzy. any insights?
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16:58<sphery>xris: Perhaps someone was trying for application/xhtml+xml (proper MIME type for XHTML--didn't kormoc just convert all the HTML to XHTML?), though, AIUI, w3 says using text/html is acceptable to achieve browser compatibility (assuming XHTML 1.0, not XHTML 1.1)... (See nice table at in section 3.5 :)
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17:02<dekarl>I found out why qmake doesn't detect the OS, configure script is broken... will add the fix to the patch (using "append" instead of "VAR = $VAR addedtext")
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17:03<gbee>anyone see the proposed HTML 5 additions? What a joke
17:04<gbee>there are one or two good ideas, but the rest ...
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17:09<Chutt>how could MythContextPrivate ever be null?
17:11<Chutt> if (print_verbose_messages & VB_NETWORK)
17:11<Chutt> VERBOSE(VB_NETWORK, QString("MythEvent: %1").arg(event.Message()));
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17:20<sphery>Hmmm. Why would libs/libmyth/mythdbcon.cpp +77 require a valid port before it changes the DatabaseParams' dbHostName from localhost to
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17:22<danielk22>sphery: because localhost uses unix sockets, while uses a TCP/IP port?
17:22<danielk22>although, there is probably a default port..
17:23<sphery>Oh. I see. Was just looking into why yours was using localhost for the backup. Thanks.
17:25<danielk22>it's because I didn't specify a port in mysql.txt ?
17:26<sphery>Yeah. It sounds like it did the right thing for the configuration it was given.
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17:26<sphery>I submitted a patch for the DB port ( #4748 ). If you have any other suggestions or anything I need to fix before 0.21, please let me know.
17:29<danielk22>i dunno, anything you can :)
17:30<sphery>Well, I meant specifically about the DB backup stuff, but I'll see what I can do. :)
17:30<danielk22>Chutt, you here? Can you look at #3618 ? I think you understand this code better than I do..
17:31<danielk22>sphery, were you here the other night, when I suggested using a distro specific backup script?
17:32<danielk22>I think if we execute any external program for backup, it should probably be done so that the distro maintainer can tweak it...
17:34<sphery>Saw the comment. I'd be willing to modify it to go that way, but it would encourage different types of backups for different distros (i.e. different args to mysqldump or whatever), which could make writing up backup info in the HOWTO tough.
17:35<sphery>If you are planning to remove the wget stuff, I'd agree it makes sense to take out the code that calls mysqldump/gzip as it would be the only remaining location (I know of) where we use externally-provided binaries.
17:38<kormoc>Well, what about providing a restore script as well, that way if the distro maintainers tweak the backup script, they can tweak the restore script to work as well
17:38<sphery>That's not a bad idea.
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17:41<sphery>So, what would be the name of the backup/restore scripts? /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/{backup,restore}_mythconveg_database ? user-specified setting?
17:42<kormoc>I like share/mythtv as that's where other scripts are
17:42<danielk22>I think that sounds like a fine location. Maybe it should end in ".sh" though?
17:42<sphery>What should we do for database info (username/password/hostname/port/db name)? We couldn't really pass them as command-line args or anything...
17:42<kormoc>I'm almost wondering if it should be called database_mythconverg_action to keep them together in a ls
17:43<sphery> works for me.
17:43<danielk22>sphery, stick those in a /tmp file and name the temp file as the param for the script.
17:43<sphery>OK, so like I"m doing with the --defaults-extra-file...
17:44<danielk22>you don't want to put passwords on the command line, then they can be snooped..
17:44<sphery>name=value pairs (so lazy packagers can just source the file ;)
17:45<sphery>Yeah. That's the whole purpose of the --defaults-extra-file (to prevent password snooping).
17:45<sphery>I'll work on that. Would be nice to have it for 0.21 (when DB backup capability goes live, it would be nice to have it in its "final" form)
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17:54<GreyFoxx>sphery: Can the DB backups be disabled ?
17:54<GreyFoxx>Is there a switch or anything ?
17:55<sphery>Currently, only by not having mysqldump in the PATH. ;) With the change to a distro-supplied script, the non-existence of that script will disable it...
17:57<sphery>Got any better suggestions?
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18:03<kormoc>It would be nice to have a option in mythtv-setup that disabled it, but defaulted on
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18:04*kormoc asks for the world on a platter
18:05*sphery hates new settings
18:06<kormoc>Understandably, but I have a feeling it'll be often requested if it's not there
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18:07<sphery>Of course, if we do that, I could be /really/ mean on the list when someone turns it off and then complains about Myth not working after he trashes his DB... :) I'll make a patch for the setting and let the devs consider it.
18:07<kormoc>Hehe, yeah
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18:08<kormoc>As they say, you can never save the foot of a determined idiot.
18:12<gbee>I think the option to disable would be nice, at least until it is also able to cleanup old backups automatically as well
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18:14<sphery>Do you think the rotation/archiving should happen in Myth? I'd think every user would have his own idea of how often to rotate/archive backups.
18:14<gbee>the average user isn't going to be upgrading the database very option, but anyone tracking trunk could end up with a few unneeded backups over a few months
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18:15<sphery>Yeah. I was running a hack that always did a backup on master backend startup. Just figured out that with the new preview generation code, it was creating a backup every time it generated a preview. :)
18:16<gbee>sphery: given that the backups are created by mythtv, yes, user generated backups are quite rightly the reposibility of the user - but automatic backups should be dealt with by mythtv - a simple 'keep X backups" type setting would work for me and most users I suspect
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18:16<gbee>if anyone wants more advanced rotation they can figure that out for themselves
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18:28<sphery>gbee: Been thinking about that, but now I'm wondering--if we do switch to distro-supplied backup script--what about putting rotation/archiving into the backup script? I could have an example in the contrib backup script.
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18:29<gbee>if it goes in the script that's fine .. is the contrib script going to be installed by default? (contrib implies not)
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18:30<sphery>If we have one installed by default (not in contrib), is it easy enough for packagers who want to do so to replace it?
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18:31<sphery>I guess using some kind of post-install hook, they could do it, right?
18:31<Anduin>Most already have their own patches anyway.
18:32<gbee>yeah, I mean they are already doing replacements/patches on the source
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18:32<gbee>I don't think we should make things more difficult to setup for users who chose to build from source instead of using packages (i.e. me) and that the default script should be installed
18:33<gbee>packagers can just swap out that file for their own version
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18:35<sphery>Wow. Tons of executable PNG's, etc. get put in the sharedir...
18:36<gbee>only reason I've not setup a DB backup cron job already is that I'm lazy, if this DB backup stuff doesn't work out of the box then it's of zero benefit IMHO, the effort of setting up a script and cron is about equal to installing the script from contrib so plenty of people just won't get around to it
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18:37<sphery>So, where in the source dir should a script that's always installed go?
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18:38<gbee>guess I'll let Chutt answer that question
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18:38<gbee>I'm off to bed
18:42<janneg>sphery: database, programs, scripts, programs/scripts
18:42<janneg>I like the last one
18:43<dekarl>tickets for portability fixes are posted #4750 (configure) and #4751 (work around Linuxisms on FreeBSD)
18:43<janneg>kormoc: the javascript sorting isn't working in konqueror 3.5.8
18:44<sphery>janneg: Thanks. I'll use programs/scripts. Reviewer can modify if desired.
18:45<hads>janneg: What page? The schedules page appears to be working here (3.5.9)
18:46<janneg>hads: search result page
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18:49<kormoc>janneg, hrm. I'll poke at it. I tested in safari and it worked fine so figured it worked in konqueror as well
18:49<hads>Hmm, the search result doesn't sort for me in Konq or FF
18:50<kormoc>Any JS errorss?
18:50<kormoc>(As xris pointed out, the search results page can't use the table sort anyway, as the group-by changes)
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18:52<janneg>kormoc: no, nothing
18:53<kormoc>Kk, I'll play with it at home a bit to see what's up. Konq is a surprisingly hard browser to debug js on
18:53<janneg>4.0.1 is not better
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18:54<hads>Yeah, it is annoying to debug JS on Konq.
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18:58<sphery>Ugh. Captain_Murdoch's and Nigel's changes to make the GUI display the filename of the backup is problematic with a script-created backup. I /really/ don't want to write code to read from the script's stdout or anything. Considering suggesting a filename and only displaying the filename in the message if it's actually used.
19:05<janneg>sphery: how would you check if the filename was used? checking if the file exists?
19:06<janneg>that's more likely an error
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19:12<sphery>was going to use the exit code to check for error and, if no error, check for filename* (in case the script adds .gz or something). I'm assuming the script will exit with a sane status (might be too much to ask, though :).
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21:47<rooaus>xris: You about?
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