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06:16<okolsi>danielk22: okay. Although I don't understand all the details, I thought that those changes might have caused my problems.
06:18<okolsi>this is from one of the crashes (release build):
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09:29<GreyFoxx>CDev you around ?
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09:33<Chutt>xris, none of my changes i wanted made it into the newsletter.
09:33<Chutt>bah, he's not here
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09:43<GreyFoxx>Bah, I've had 3 backend crashes(mostly when firewire recordings stop or I issue a stop/delete on an inprogress but not actually working firewire recording) in the last 2 days and lost 4 firewire recordings. stopping and starting the backend picks up and starts recording just fine
09:46<CDev>GreyFoxx: what's up?
09:50<GreyFoxx>I was wondering if you could try out :
09:50<GreyFoxx>It should correct the parentId stuff
09:50<GreyFoxx>it works fine for me
09:51<GreyFoxx>but if I test it on mymachine which has thousands of videos, recordings and music the test tool crashes :)
09:52<CDev>Tried the patch the other day ( you must of missed my response).
09:52<GreyFoxx>ahhh ok
09:52<GreyFoxx>any problems with it ?
09:52<CDev>The Id's look good now, however, the childCount is still wrong
09:52<GreyFoxx>and that wont be fixed before 0.21
09:53<GreyFoxx>The count is "right" because they aren;'t actrually children of the storage folder I'm referencing as their parentid
09:53<CDev>when's 0.21 going to be final?
09:53<GreyFoxx>any day now
09:53<GreyFoxx>I plan to rework the code to properly place them as children of those but I don't wanna make that change this close to 0.21
09:54<Chutt>probably another week
09:54<CDev>If you don't mind, I might try and fix it tonight. I know a lot of players won't show any content if the container says it has no children.
09:54<GreyFoxx>CDev: k
09:54<GreyFoxx>Chutt: cool
09:55<CDev>GreyFoxx: when do you think you will have a chance to commit the id patch?
09:56<GreyFoxx>I'll do it in a couple minutes
09:56<CDev>no rush, but thanks.
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10:22<okolsi>GreyFoxx, CDev: UPnp navigation works now with Nokia N95 :) Only some UTF-8 issues left..
10:23<GreyFoxx>?I've been itching for a N93 for a long time myself
10:23<GreyFoxx> That or an N810
10:23<GreyFoxx>I just can't convince myself to pay for it :)
10:24*GreyFoxx wants a handheld that plays lots of formats that doesn't require transcoding first :/
10:24<okolsi>managed to get N95 from the company.. just started to convert recordings to MP4 format that N95 accepts..
10:25<okolsi>it takes some time, but then you can download content via UPnP to the device and watch recordings on the bus etc.
10:26<okolsi>too bad that players in devices are very simple, not even bookmarks etc :(
10:31<gbee>GreyFoxx: don't know if you saw it, but someone has linked playback issues to the AVF 'seek to beginning' change
10:32<GreyFoxx>Saw that, I have no idea how that could possibly be a problem, and by now I've watched a hundred or so over various types with no hiccups
10:32<GreyFoxx>did he have a backtrace?
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10:35<GreyFoxx>2008-02-27 21:38:21.531 AFD Error: av_seek_frame(ic, -1, 0, 0) -- error
10:36<GreyFoxx>From his FE output
10:37<GreyFoxx>I've assigned it to me
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13:32<gbee>danielk22: just a hunch at the moment, but might you mythevent changes have affected the upnp or httpserver/request? A couple of people are now reporting that #4350 is fixed but I'm not aware of any changes in that area which could account for it
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13:36<gbee>I suspect that the problem still exists, just that other changes/fixes are now masking the problem - e.g. mythweb is no longer requesting previews despite having cached versions
13:38<xris>gbee: pretty sure that mythweb still requests as needed. I haven't seen the 100% cpu thing in a few days despite pixmaps for new recordings.
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13:38<xris>guess I could always try and re-generate all pixmaps when I get home tonight, to be sure.
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13:44<MrGandalf>when saving the last channel tuned (for the next time you go into LiveTV), is there any reason why we can't save the chanid/frontend and use that?
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13:46<MrGandalf>right now we statically set defaultinput but save startchan.
13:46<MrGandalf>makes more sense to me to just use chanid and store it in settings.. thoughts?
13:48<gbee>MrGandalf: works for me, the current behaviour annoys me, but not enough that I've done anything to change it
13:49<MrGandalf>the only thing I want to be careful of is saving the last tuned chanid ONLY after we know the channel is good
13:49<MrGandalf>and that's easy enough in nvp at the end of OpenFile, but I have to test that it still works with streaming.
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13:50<GreyFoxx>xris: You Do you have a DVI cable plugged into your firewire settop box ? Or just the firewire ?
13:51<MrGandalf>but the default channel is determined by the backend instead of the frontend requesting it.. that doesn't make much sense to me either. Maybe both can be changed.
13:52<xris>GreyFoxx: just firewire. I don't actually have an hdtv.
13:53<xris>I've tried the non-hd stuff via component cables, though.. works fine
13:53<GreyFoxx>I was just thinking that all of my failed firewire recordings have happen since I plugged my STB into a dvi cable into the projector for testing
13:53<GreyFoxx>I heard a "click" as if the STB detected the new connection
13:53<GreyFoxx>and have had troubles since
13:53<GreyFoxx>but I haven't power cycled the STB since then
13:55<xris>yeah, one of my boxes has nothing but firewire plugged into it
13:55<xris>I think it's definitely something with the driver, though. I changed cards and things got significantly worse
13:55<GreyFoxx>I've lost a bunch of recordings this week because of it
13:56<xris>constant restarting of mythbackend and running of firewire_tester helps, though
13:57<xris>was thinking that it might be nice to just occasionally run firewire_tester type routines on idle tuners as well as right-before a new recording, and as a fix for recordings that fail to start properly
13:59<GreyFoxx>I'm hoping to clean up my rats nest of cables tonight so I'll poweroff/rewire everything
13:59<GreyFoxx>ensure it's not a cabling issue
13:59<GreyFoxx>ok, I just cycled myth and now it's working
14:00<GreyFoxx>I've had more backend crashes and lost firewire recordings in the last week than ever heh
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14:07<gbee>GreyFoxx: might be related to what danielk22 was talking about earlier, some of the changes he made are causing backend segfaults in previously stable setups (okolsi has been seeing the same thing)
14:07<GreyFoxx>ahhh ok
14:07<GreyFoxx>I just recompiled it with debug on, and will be running it in a gdb loop
14:08<gbee>right, was just going to suggest that a backtrace would help to confirm that :)
14:09<GreyFoxx>when it happens next I should have 1
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15:12<gbee>Captain_Murdoch: 3.3.2 ? :D
15:14<gbee>that would be 5 years old, or thereabouts?
15:22<Anduin>I hate when the post commit hook mysteriously doesn't work.
15:32<MrGandalf>wow, saving and using last tuned channel is far simplier than I thought
15:39*gbee bitches about the lack of browsing across tuners/transports
15:40<laga>you can't do that?
15:40<laga>i thought you oculd.
15:40*laga is always way too confused
15:40<gbee>nope, there is a patch out there, but it's not possible atm
15:41<gbee>and multirec just made it much worse, by default livetv won't chose a free tuner any more so you can't browse or even change to a channel off the current transport :(
15:42<gbee>think it's going to confuse a few people
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15:47<MrGandalf>gbee: If you're interested,
15:48<gbee>MrGandalf: great, thanks
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15:48<MrGandalf>'cause it's been bugging me as well
15:59<MrGandalf>there should be an IsTunable() in there though..
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17:23<j-rod>so... is there any reason to not build with both directfb and x11 support both enabled?
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17:39<Chutt>directfb's busted
17:39<Chutt>at least, i assume it is
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17:50<j-rod>ah, good reason not to enable it...
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19:13<Doginal>i am trying to install Mythtv on my Fedora 8 box but i cant seem to get Atrpms working
19:14<kormoc>Doginal, please read your topic
19:17<MrGandalf>blah.. beer time
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19:45<danielk22>chutt: DirectFB was working the last time I checked.. was a while ago though. But AFAIK no changes on our side...
19:58<Captain_Murdoch>gbee, no, 3.2.2
19:59<Captain_Murdoch>slightly more than 5 years old also.... gcc version 3.2.2 20030222 (Red Hat Linux 3.2.2-5)
20:00<gbee>yeah typo'd - and 5 years from memory, so I'm suprised I was so close :)
20:02<gbee>to be fair the 3.x versions were still available, if only as alternate packages well into 2007 (probably still in many repos alongside 4.x)
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20:10<gbee>I've been upgrading continually from repos for the last three years or more, it's saved me the hassle of downloading the isos - suprisingly stable too but probably not for everyone
20:11<Captain_Murdoch>I rarely upgrade my main dev machine, even through hardware changes. In that 5-year timeframe, I've had 3-4 different systems with the same hard drives. I think I once even swapped hard drives, but didn't reinstall the OS, I just copied it over and reinstalled the boot loader.
20:13<Captain_Murdoch>hmm, tonight may be 'upgrade production to svn trunk head' night. wife is out of town and only one thing recording which will be finished in ~45 minutes.
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20:43<Chutt>wasn't there a patch to deinterlace the pause frame somewhere in trac?
20:45<Captain_Murdoch> supposedly fixed
20:46<Chutt>i had just found it right before that :p
20:46<Chutt>it should probably only reject bob deint
20:46<Chutt>and not the other frame doubling deinterlacers
20:46<Captain_Murdoch>I was tempted to give a link to a page in trac with the search box. ;)
20:47<Chutt>yes, 'pause frame' in trac worked :p
20:47<Captain_Murdoch>but since I'm upgrading tonight I wanted to make sure it was fixed for me. :) that's been quite annoying since my production version predates that patch.
20:47<Chutt>it's not fixed if you use yadif2x or greedy2x
20:48<Chutt>it's pretty annoying =)
20:48<Captain_Murdoch>ah, because those were added later.
20:49<Chutt>some of this code is so inefficient
20:49<Chutt>NeedsDoubleFramerate, for instance
20:50<Chutt>3 extraneous string compares per frame!
20:50<Captain_Murdoch>could be one reason people say 0.21-fixes uses more cpu to playback than 0.20 did.
20:51<Chutt>_that's_ not a lot of cpu
20:51<Chutt>it's just wasteful
20:51<Captain_Murdoch>could be up to 180 compares per second though right?
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20:57<Captain_Murdoch>and those aren't just ==, they're contains(), so it steps through char by char
20:58<Captain_Murdoch>could at least put m_deinterlacing first in that check so the contains() aren't done unless we're m_deinterlacing
20:58<GreyFoxx>2008-02-29 21:55:54.095 FilterManager: failed to load filter 'none', no such filter exists
20:58<GreyFoxx>2008-02-29 21:55:54.095 Couldn't load deinterlace filter none
20:58<GreyFoxx>2008-02-29 21:55:54.095 Failed to enable deinterlacing
20:58<GreyFoxx>wtf...... never seen that one before
20:58<GreyFoxx>I'll clear it and reapply here
21:00<Chutt>i don't know how opengl deinterlacing works..
21:00<Chutt>well enough to fix this, at least..
21:03<Chutt>oh, crap, it's recording for my wife
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21:19<cruiseoveride>"Ignore this at your own risk." very social
21:20<cruiseoveride>I'm porting an old driver, and seem to have come across some obvious changes in the i2c_driver struct
21:20<cruiseoveride>like what happened to .flags?
21:20<MrGandalf>think you're in the wrong channel?
21:20<cruiseoveride>Seems to have gone missing sometime between 2.6.14/2.6.15
21:20<cruiseoveride>I am?
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22:35<danielk22>Chutt, GreyFoxx: NeedsDoubleFramerate() is very inefficient, but it's eclipsed by the actual video rendering time. Some of the other things in the TODO for mythtv-vid will have a much greater effect on lowering CPU usage than optimizing that function..
22:37<danielk22>like we currently always render the OSD in YUV even if we later have to convert it to another color space for compositing.
22:37<danielk22>mythtv-vid is far from complete...
22:39<MrGandalf>daniel: I'm going to look at double length recordings this weekend.. is there any reason why we don't look at the actual program recording length instead if guessing?
22:39<MrGandalf>if you know off the top of your head..
22:40<danielk22>well the reported length is just a freebe from the keyframes we use for skipping.
22:40<MrGandalf>assuming keyframe interval is static
22:41<danielk22>the recorded program length might be a better thing to report when reporting program length.
22:41<MrGandalf>well, that's what I meant :)
22:41<MrGandalf>trying to fix all my double length recordings
22:41<danielk22>no, not assuming the keyframe interval is static, but we do assume that the fps is static, which it isn't always.
22:42<MrGandalf>gets annoying while seeking
22:42<danielk22>fyi the recorded program length isn't 100% accurate either, but probably much better
22:42<MrGandalf>many of my recordings have variable keyframe intervals.. thought that might have something to do with it.
22:43<danielk22>if the station doesn't come on air until later in a digital transmission the recorded program length will be too long if you have pre-rool
22:43<MrGandalf>I see
22:44<MrGandalf>but as you said, it's bound to be a lot closer.
22:44<danielk22>mrg: it shouldn't most recorders put the frame # in the keyframe map, so variable GOP and seq distances shouldn't matter.
22:44<danielk22>but we only report one FPS for the recording in the calculation, but it can vary throughout the recording..
22:45<danielk22>the recording length code really is from the era of the ivtv being the only source of mpeg, and there the fps was static..
22:45<MrGandalf>without recording that, I guess it's impossible to get 100%.
22:46<MrGandalf>but recording that variance would significantly increase recordedseek.
22:46<danielk22>yeah, we really should note fps changes.. but I've never gotten around to it...
22:47<MrGandalf>well, I'll play with the length and see if I can't get it a bit better
22:47<danielk22>anyway, i really gotta get into bed.. feel free to e-mail me and I'll answer and Q's I know in the morning..
22:47<MrGandalf>(and learn a little in the process)
22:47<MrGandalf>thanks :)
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23:03<Chutt>danielk22, aye, but it's the little things =)
23:03<Chutt>anyway, i'm compiling a fix that just disables deint for bob
23:03<Chutt>to see if that works
23:10<Chutt>yay, it works
23:10<Chutt>no more ugliness when seeking!
23:14<xris>danielk22: I can pretty much confirm that the pixmap generation bug is fixed for me now
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23:16<Chutt>danielk22, and i'm just more sensitive to inefficient stuff lately, since i've spent lots and lots of time at work on optimizations. no biggy. =)
23:19*xris curses apache and mod_perl
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23:33*Captain_Murdoch needs to sell his snapservers before the max hard drive size being sold is 5x the size of the snapserver in RAID-0 mode as opposed to the 4x multiple it is now.
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