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11:53<iamlindoro__>Hey, maybe I am doing something wrong, but maybe not-- 17155 added two new includes to upnpcdstv.cpp... "mythtv/storagegroup.h" and "mythtv/util.h".... the explicit definition of the path seems to have broken the build on a fresh checkout, though, as those files only exist in $SOURCEDIR/libs/libmyth... am I doing something silly?
11:55<iamlindoro__>removing the path fixes compilation, btw
11:57<iamlindoro__>ie making the includes a simple "storagegroup.h" and "util.h"
11:57<Anduin>iamlindoro__: I'm fixing it now
11:57<iamlindoro__>ah, ok, wanted to make sure it wasn't just me, thanks :)
11:57<Anduin>(hit it a few minutes ago)
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12:50<MrGandalf>do any of the devs run a slave backend regularily?
12:51<GreyFoxx>I do
12:51<GreyFoxx>in fact at 60+% of my recordings are done by it
12:51<MrGandalf>do you notice a greater level of instability with the slave connected?
12:52<GreyFoxx>In the last few weeks yes. If the slave disconnects from the master then reconnections fail until the master is restarted
12:52<GreyFoxx>But assuming no disconnections it works fine
12:52<MrGandalf>I just connected a slave to my VERY stable master and now the master segfaults 1-2 times daily and never in the same place it seems.
12:52<GreyFoxx>ahhh, that I haven't seen
12:53<GreyFoxx>My slave NEVER has a problem, but my master periodically will stop talking to anything socketwise, but recordings will continue
12:53<MrGandalf>The only thing I can think of is EIT butting heads causing locking and threads having to wait longer than they would normally.
12:53<GreyFoxx>and by periodically I mean maybe once a week
12:54<MrGandalf>I see that behavior as well
12:55<MrGandalf>but my slave is very stable
12:56<GreyFoxx>yeah, my slave has always been rock solid
12:56<MrGandalf>I suppose I'll figure out a way to combine them again. I could track down the bugs but they all seem related to QString.
12:57<MrGandalf>or maybe I can run the master tied to a specific CPU
12:58<GreyFoxx>I've seen a few posts mentioning the socket and thread stuff needing a lot of work
12:58<GreyFoxx>just haven't had much time in the last couple weeks since I first saw it
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12:59<janneg>lol, someone asked on the user ml if I discovered the adapter_nr DVB driver module option through modinfo
12:59<beandog>GreyFoxx, hey thanks for that patch, I managed to morph it into some more stuff and get more annoyances of mine fixed. :)
13:00<GreyFoxx>beandog: cool :)
13:00<GreyFoxx>janneg: heh
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13:01<janneg>MrGandalf: I have occasionally socket lockups, hadn't much time lately for the qt4 port
13:01<MrGandalf>janneg: just answer "yes".
13:02<GreyFoxx>It's funny will Summer coming normally I have moretime available
13:02<GreyFoxx>so far this year less heh
13:02<janneg>MrGandalf: I unfortunately already answered that I wrote the patch
13:02<MrGandalf>janneg: well, the socket issue isn't really bothering me that much. I'm just wondering if others are seeing the slave instability thing
13:03<janneg>I don't have segfaults
13:03<MrGandalf>janneg: but as I said, most look to be related to QString (thread compliant stuff)
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13:04<janneg>hmm, I had hoped there would be less QString issues in Qt4
13:05<MrGandalf>janneg: I'm still on qt3
13:05<janneg>I'm writing atm linux driver for the HD PVR
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13:05<janneg>MrGandalf: oh, 0.21-fixes?
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13:07<janneg>MrGandalf: master + slave backend was stable before qt4 for me
13:07<GreyFoxx>same here
13:07<GreyFoxx>I assumed you meant more recent trunk
13:07<GreyFoxx>janneg: really? You got your hands on one ?
13:07<GreyFoxx>the HDPVR looks pretty cool
13:08<MrGandalf>janneg: HDPVR? man, you're my new hero
13:08<janneg>yes, as cool as a bare board can look
13:08<GreyFoxx>janneg: hehe
13:08<MrGandalf>janneg: backend + slave, were you running multiple cores?
13:09<janneg>it has two blue leds, it must be cool
13:10<janneg>MrGandalf: yes, both backends are AMD X2
13:10<MrGandalf>janneg: and were either of them reaching 100% CPU?
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13:13<MrGandalf>janneg: that could be my issue then.. eit regularily takes the backend up over 100%
13:14<janneg>MrGandalf: the backend? or backend + mysql?
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13:16<MrGandalf>janneg: the backend only
13:17<iamlindoro__>janneg, if you don't mind my asking, will the device act similar to current Hauppauge ivtv cards, i.e. a cat'able /dev/video node? Also, does adding Myth support look too daunting? Sorry to pepper you with questions. :)
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13:21<janneg>iamlindoro__: yes, it will use the same v4l2 mpeg encoder api as the ivtv cards
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13:21<iamlindoro__>I see, cool! Thanks for the info.
13:22<janneg>please wait spreading the news until I get some code out.
13:22<iamlindoro__>My lips are sealed, was just personal curiosity
13:23<janneg>I hope I'll can release a first version of the driver tuesday or wednesday with a patch adding support to mythtv
13:24<MrGandalf>too late, I already posted to Slashdot.. you have a website I could through in as a link?
13:24<iamlindoro__>That will probably stop me being sheepish about doing "make install" on trunk :)
13:27<janneg>iamlindoro__: it will probably apply to 0.21-fixes too
13:28<iamlindoro__>ah, neat. I'm running something just-pre-qt4, should be fine I imagine
13:31<sphery>iamlindoro__: something like that may actually spawn a 0.21.1 ;)
13:32<iamlindoro__>sphery, Not mention a torrent of mismatched package/repos questions on the users list ;)
13:32<bendailey>ok I came to the channel just a minute to late anyone mind repeating the buzz?
13:33<sphery>wait 'til next Tuesday or Wednesday ;)
13:33<bendailey>I promise to keep it to myself
13:33<sphery>(for the official announcements)
13:33<bendailey>ok I can wait thanks
13:35<sphery>BTW, "next Tues/Wed" may have about a week of extra time built in, so you may not need to wait that long. :)
13:36<bendailey>just out of curiosity I saw on the mythtv wiki that the -users chan has an irc log does this chan?
13:36<GreyFoxx>No, not this channel
13:36<GreyFoxx>in general I think we don't want this channel logged
13:36<bendailey>GreyFoxx: thanks
13:36<sphery>nope, but it looks like janneg just posted the same info in -users channel
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14:01<MrGandalf>janneg: did Hauppauge start shipping the HDPVR in the UK earlier than in the US? They're not slated to start shipping here until 5/1.
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14:03<janneg>I don't think so, I have a prototype
14:03<MrGandalf>oh, I see
14:04<janneg>not even sure if they'll ship it in europe soon
14:04<MrGandalf>is the h264 that's generated by the unit supported in libavcodec?
14:05<MrGandalf>ie: is it PAFF interlaced?
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14:07<janneg>it plays fine with current mythtv, but it is interlaced + spatial direct
14:08<Lynet>Is there a particular distro you people would recommend for a dev/build environment?
14:08<beandog>gentoo \o/
14:08<GreyFoxx>Lynet: try #mythtv-users :)
14:14<MrGandalf>janneg: and it plays fine? intersting. It must be MBAFF interlaced then if it's spatial.
14:14<MrGandalf>avcodec is hurting when it comes to PAFF + spacial.
14:14<MrGandalf>I'll probably just use CoreAVC anyway.
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15:10<eharris>I think I've encountered a endless loop condition in mythtv-backend on a version built from branches/release-0-21-fixes version 16473M.
15:10<eharris>I have strace output. Anybody interested?
15:11<gbee>open a ticket
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15:33<skamithi>hey gbee. the mythui stuff u've demonstrated looks cool. can't wait to see the final results.
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15:38<GreyFoxx>so, I just noticed something odd. I was watching my backend while adding some recordings in mythweb and everything looked fine.... then I manually did a mythbackend --resched and the number of schedules items jumped a lot
15:39<GreyFoxx>Check that out
15:39<sphery>mfdb run in between?
15:40<GreyFoxx>mfdb ran maybe 14 hours ago
15:41<GreyFoxx>Actually I see the same thing in my log from yesterday
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15:48<sphery>mythweb is requesting a resched of the new rule for each new rule (as it should), the mythbackend --resched did a "reschedule all", but I can't think of a reason why something would have gotten in but not have been rescheduled.
15:49<sphery>I was thinking either Bruce or David posted to the list with a description of the difference and some "temporary" issues that can affect the results before the next full reschedule, but I can't find it.
15:50<kormoc>didn't they add in a copy the record table before processing on it a short while ago?
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18:29<sphery>Invalid and misplaced discussion in Trac on #5266 is getting really annoying. Everything but David's comment belongs on the -users list.
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18:38<gbee>agreed, I nearly closed it earlier today as "feature request without patch" but decided that it wasn't my place to do so (scheduling is Bruce and David's area)
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18:38<gbee>now that it's been closed by David I will lock it though
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18:39<sphery>Thx :) I sent a response trying to explain some details (to -dev, since that's where the others I sent earlier went). Hope that's enough to appease the users.
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22:40<schtinky>just cracked open mythcommflag and trying to make heads/tails of it. Does a code reference exist? if so, where?
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22:43<GreyFoxx>2 but I don't think it's been updated in a while. And frankly most of the code doesn't have doxygen comments
22:43<GreyFoxx>but the above might be useful
22:44<schtinky>ugh, I'd give anything if this were in java rather than C (not trying to flame)
22:45<schtinky>or troll I guess is the right term
22:51<schtinky>what is "NuppelVideoPlayer"?
22:52<iamlindoro>MythTV's internal video player
22:52<kormoc>The video playing module. Historically myth used the nuppel video container format, and thus the name and references
22:57<schtinky>trying to use mythcommflag and bypass the database. I need a program_info object. The code creates one with "program_info = ProgramInfo::GetProgramFromRecorded(chanid, starttime);"
22:57<schtinky>all I have is a filename
22:57<schtinky>I could obviously hardcode in program name, duration, etc, but can that even be done?
22:57<schtinky>the programinfo object looks gigantic
22:58<kormoc>Without the Db, where would it put the commercial information?
22:58<schtinky>I tried to get around having a programinfo object, but NVP needs one to do the flagging
22:58<schtinky>I want it to standard out
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23:00<schtinky>in short, I want to get command line functionality such as "mythcommflag --file filename.avi" and get the comm list to pop right back out in standard output
23:00<schtinky>bypassing the database altogether
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23:01<GreyFoxx>why Exactly do you want to bypass the database?
23:01<schtinky>working on a closed captioning commercial detection method
23:01<GreyFoxx>Are you trying to commflag non recordings ?
23:01<GreyFoxx>If you are working on a new detection method you could use the dummy recorder
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23:02<schtinky>what is that exactly
23:02<GreyFoxx>You can specify a dummy tuner, and point it at a mpeg video file and it will stream it just like a recording
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23:02<GreyFoxx>You can make "recordings" from it, "livetv" it etc
23:03<schtinky>arg, I'm not familiar enough with the internals of mythtv to really even understand what you're saying... and I'd rather not become a mythtv expert if I can help it
23:03<schtinky>I'd rather concentrate on the captions algorithm
23:04<schtinky>so I guess I'm looking to bypass the DB and myth
23:04<schtinky>ha ha
23:04<GreyFoxx>I'm trying to understand why do all the work you are doing :)
23:04<GreyFoxx>Just add 1 fake entry to the recorded table
23:04<GreyFoxx>and then mythcomflagg will treat your file likel a recording
23:04<GreyFoxx>so you can process it over and over and not waste time modifying mythcomflag to bypass the database
23:05<schtinky>where will the results go?
23:05<kormoc>into the database as normal commflags
23:05<GreyFoxx>database, but can be pulled back via the commandline
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23:06<schtinky>why isn't the commflag utility standalone?
23:06<GreyFoxx>Seems to me it mostly is :)
23:06<kormoc>why should it be?
23:06<schtinky>seems like it should be "String result = getCommFlag(filename)" and that's it
23:06<GreyFoxx>It needs like 1 record from the database
23:06<kormoc>schtinky, are you attempting to port it to a non-myth app or something?
23:07<schtinky>yes and no
23:07<schtinky>I have a separate recording system for videos
23:07<schtinky>but it's not a set-top myth-type platform
23:08<schtinky>I'm not with SageTV or anything
23:08<schtinky>and I have some experience with closed captioning logging
23:08<kormoc>you can just import them in as recordings and then put a commflag job into the queue for it and it'd just go
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23:09<GreyFoxx>1 database record for the file, call commflag, export cut list from the commandline with --getskiplist
23:09<schtinky>was hoping to combine myth's commflag and my own programming (which is in all Java) into something more than the sum of its parts
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23:10<schtinky>well I appreciate your input
23:11<schtinky>sorry if I sound stubborn... but I guess the bottom line is I'd like to avoid installing mysql and myth on every box I need to process commercials on
23:11<kormoc>you don't need to install mysql on the boxes
23:11<schtinky>it'd be so much easier to just have the commandline functionality I mentioned above.
23:11<kormoc>mysql's clients can talk to a database over the network
23:12<kormoc>so it's not quite as bad as you think :P
23:12<iamlindoro>I imagine you'd get more specific help if you wanted to detail what it is you're trying to do beyond the very bare minimum (and why)
23:12<schtinky>I work for videogenesis
23:12<schtinky>we do searchable news for local TV stations
23:13<kormoc>iamlindoro, not overly, someone would need to do some work to figure out why exactly mcf requires the db stuff and work around that.
23:13<schtinky>see it in action at or
23:13<schtinky>when someone does a search and views a video
23:13<schtinky>I'd like to be able to detect specific stories for them to view immediately instead of having to set their own time ranges
23:13<schtinky>right now when a closed caption is found with a search, it just plays 24 seconds of video starting at the hit
23:14<hads>Cool, is your backend GPL?
23:14<schtinky>wouldnt' it be so much nicer if it could play, say, minutes 17.1-18.4 because the system detected the story automatically
23:15<schtinky>parts are
23:15<schtinky>anyway I figure the first step in story detection
23:15<schtinky>is commercial detection
23:16<schtinky>and I've tried detecting with captions only
23:16<schtinky>and even with highly-predictable local news
23:16<schtinky>it's still not anywhere close
23:17<schtinky>so if I just had a utility to spit out commercial ranges on the command line, I could integrate my work with what already exists
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23:20<schtinky>did I lose everyone?
23:21<schtinky>were my sites that intriguing?
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23:49<sphery>schtinky: did you ever look at comskip--the stand-along commercial flagging utility that was built from a snapshot of mythcommflag that I told you about last time?
23:51<sphery>See, also,
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