| --- | Log | opened Tue May 06 00:00:03 2008 |
| 00:00 | <kormoc> | it would likely solve most of the people's issues |
| 00:00 | <HRearden> | Then share it out via QUERY_TIMEZONE, which maybe just shares the offset, then let mythweb calculate from UTC plus that offset to do reads, not a local offset. |
| 00:00 | <kormoc> | yeah, that would get the 90% easily I'd venture to guess |
| 00:01 | <sphery> | but MythWeb needs to know when DST starts, which it can only tell with the actual timezone, right? |
| 00:01 | <kormoc> | hrm |
| 00:01 | <HRearden> | Why does Mythweb need to know? |
| 00:02 | <sphery> | Oh, and kormoc, I don't yet know how to get the full timezone names, which is why I just gave the abbreviation (that strftime() gives me). |
| 00:02 | <HRearden> | Display might be screwed up if people truly have gotten it misconfigured, but at least it would work and return DB values. |
| 00:03 | <kormoc> | sphery, fair 'nuff |
| 00:03 | <HRearden> | and/or you could even try to detect blatant misconfiguration by doing your own delta offset check between UTC and localtime on the mythweb host and comparing with the backend delta. |
| 00:03 | <kormoc> | HRearden, ooh, wait, query_timezone wouldn't work |
| 00:03 | <kormoc> | think of the offset of -8 and then DST is -9 |
| 00:04 | <kormoc> | anything you record at -8 becomes shifted when you do a query_timezone and get -9 back |
| 00:04 | <kormoc> | cause the offset just swapped |
| 00:04 | <HRearden> | Hmm. |
| 00:04 | <sphery> | my brain hurts |
| 00:04 | <kormoc> | timezones suck |
| 00:05 | <HRearden> | Store files as UTC instead..... |
| 00:05 | <sphery> | I'd rather just eat breakfast at 1:00pm. It would be much easier. |
| 00:07 | <kormoc> | daylight savings even screws that up |
| 00:07 | <sphery> | HRearden: I think I remember Chutt saying he wanted to store listings info in local time (as it makes checking the DB, interpreting the DB easier). I'm sure filenames could be changed, but if the DB records use local time, we need local time to build the where clause. |
| 00:08 | <HRearden> | As you said, that's a fairly sizable change... |
| 00:08 | <HRearden> | Still seems like there should be a way to insulate MythWeb from the whole mess. |
| 00:10 | <kormoc> | yeah... hrm... |
| 00:11 | <sphery> | Even if the protocol spoke UTC, we'd still need timezone (for offset and DST) info to calculate starttime/recstartts/progstart, etc., if they're stored in the DB using local time, right? |
| 00:12 | <kormoc> | yeah |
| 00:13 | <HRearden> | yeah -- again, massive change. Either you store everything in UTC and do all calcs on fly or do what we have now... |
| 00:14 | <HRearden> | A bit of deja vu from the initial TMS grabber and timezone problems there, since their XML is in UTC... |
| 00:14 | <sphery> | Well, for now, I'll plan to implement the offset-only-using-QDateTime-as-a-backup approach. I'll also look into whether I can get zoneinfo DB names (America/New York versus EST--since only the former tells us what we need to know about DST) |
| 00:15 | <HRearden> | kormoc, I've been scanning the archives but can't get a good feel for exactly what happened with this DST / php.ini thing. Can you give a two line recap? |
| 00:15 | <sphery> | I think, also, that PHP uses zoneinfo DB names (or at least something close to them) |
| 00:15 | <sphery> | HRearden: gbee might be able to explain it better--it actually happened to him. :) |
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| 00:17 | <kormoc> | HRearden, php.ini can actually set a different default timezone then the system timezone, if they don't match, you get really weird behavior |
| 00:22 | <HRearden> | I guess it goes back to detection vs. repair. If the goal is detection, delta offsets might still work. I'm guessing in this case, if you did a delta comparison between UTC and localtime in PHP, it would rely upon the timezone setting in php.ini. If you then compare it to the timezone delta from QUERY_TIMEZONE, you at least have enough info to say "GO CONFIGURE YOUR SYSTEM CORRECTLY AND DON'T FILE A TICKET" but not enough informa |
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| 00:44 | <clever> | kormoc: ive also manualy set the TZ env from a php function |
| 00:44 | <clever> | to affect php and all programs it spawns |
| 00:44 | <clever> | without having to change the server wide php.ini |
| 00:44 | <sphery> | The problem is determining what TZ to set |
| 00:45 | <clever> | i use the same TZ= that i wrap arround my mythtv programs |
| 00:46 | <clever> | wait no |
| 00:46 | <clever> | was using it for a diff zone |
| 00:46 | <clever> | but i got the value the same way |
| 00:46 | <clever> | tzselect |
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| 05:32 | <hads> | Looks like QT4.4 has been released. |
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| 05:58 | <teprrr> | not yet |
| 05:59 | <teprrr> | or yes, looks like it is |
| 05:59 | <teprrr> | at least today is the release day |
| 06:00 | <teprrr> | http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=120979805724995&w=2 |
| 06:05 | <hads> | Well it's 2205 on the 6th here :) |
| 06:06 | <teprrr> | ye, 1pm in here, but I can't locate the release notes/news at least yet |
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| 06:27 | <janneg> | teprrr: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-05-02.5256347247 |
| 06:34 | <teprrr> | janneg, ahh. well-hidden one then... though that's just an article/preview before the release as it wasn't "qt 4.4 released" or anything |
| 06:34 | <teprrr> | mm, now waiting that qt-copy of kde will get updated and someone ports pyqt and pykde to 4.4 too :) |
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| 06:37 | <janneg> | teprrr: not sure, the date in the article suggests something else (the date in the url is different though) |
| 06:38 | <teprrr> | indeed |
| 06:40 | <janneg> | but the tarballs have also 2008-05-02 as date, so the release was probably propared then |
| 06:41 | <teprrr> | yup, it could be the release package already.. not sure though, if there's been some troubles in the last meters |
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| 07:46 | <gbee> | would someone tell me if this video plays smoothly on their machine, or is it just me? http://download.cnettv.com.edgesuite.net/21923/ipod/32471347.m4v |
| 07:47 | <gbee> | plays fine in ffplay, but not in mythtv - get maybe a second in before we get buffer underruns, prebuffer timeouts and finally it gives up |
| 07:50 | <GreyFoxx> | Plays for me |
| 07:50 | <GreyFoxx> | a few complaints of video behind ahead of audio, then behind audio, then ahead again |
| 07:51 | <GreyFoxx> | but it does play for me without any prebuffer stuff or failures |
| 07:51 | <gbee> | hmm |
| 07:51 | <GreyFoxx> | the odd thi8ng is I don't HEAR any audio at all |
| 07:52 | <GreyFoxx> | and this time, playing for a second time not even complaining about video being out of sync with the audio |
| 07:52 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: I get no audio with ffplay but I do with mythtv |
| 07:52 | <GreyFoxx> | weird, maybe my audio on this machine is wacked anyway |
| 07:52 | <gbee> | but ffplay plays it smoothly |
| 07:53 | <GreyFoxx> | ok, my audio is unplugged :) |
| 07:53 | <gbee> | this isn't the fastest machine in the world, but it's not had problems with low res h.264 before now |
| 07:53 | <GreyFoxx> | but otherwise the video played just fine |
| 07:53 | <gbee> | heh |
| 07:54 | <GreyFoxx> | I let it play all the way to the end and at the last second got some prebuffer pauses literally in the last second |
| 07:54 | <gbee> | I might still lodge a ticket, if ffplay can handle it on this system then mythtv should be able to |
| 07:54 | <GreyFoxx> | and I see this : TV Error: nvp->IsPlaying() timed out right at the end of the video |
| 07:54 | <GreyFoxx> | yeah |
| 07:54 | <GreyFoxx> | but I got almost 2 minutes of playback before that happened |
| 07:54 | <gbee> | not that I really want to watch CNet videos, I just stumbled across the problem when debugging stuff in mythnews |
| 07:55 | <gbee> | No DTS Seeking Hack! << That's new |
| 07:55 | <gbee> | probably unrelated but it's the first time I've seen it |
| 07:56 | <janneg> | gbee: it plays fine for me |
| 07:56 | <GreyFoxx> | I put that in to let us know when the DTS coming back from avcodec* was 0 and I was forcing something to make seeking work |
| 07:57 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: ahh |
| 07:57 | <GreyFoxx> | hopefully something that can be removed at somepoint |
| 07:58 | <gbee> | http://pastebin.ca/1009247 |
| 08:00 | <gbee> | with -v playback - http://pastebin.ca/1009251 |
| 08:08 | <GreyFoxx> | hmmm |
| 08:10 | <GreyFoxx> | It's odd that the DTS hack message would be there unless you were doing a seek. Did you FFw or rew it? |
| 08:11 | <GreyFoxx> | Not still using that old patch forcing a seek to frame 0 from a while back ? |
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| 08:18 | <gbee> | no seeking, only patches are in libmythui/libmyth - nothing in libmythtv |
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| 10:53 | * | MrGandalf is compiling qt with -debug |
| 10:53 | <MrGandalf> | found another instance of QSqlQuery() bombing out |
| 10:54 | <MrGandalf> | I hope 4.4 is better. |
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| 13:01 | <adc> | can i see some logs about execution of jobs done in the background? |
| 13:04 | <janneg> | adc: read the topic and if you had waited longer than 2 minutes I would have answered your question in #mythtv-de |
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| 13:06 | <adc> | ohh this is not the user channel |
| 13:06 | <adc> | sorry |
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| 14:05 | <laga> | xris: do you care about XSS in mythweb? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mythplugins/+bug/220088 |
| 14:06 | <xris> | laga: theoretically, yes |
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| 14:07 | <xris> | though I don't get the "insert" bit |
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| 14:07 | <xris> | sounds like the user is complaining that you can insert code into the code to print out the cookie |
| 14:07 | <laga> | just insert it into the search box |
| 14:09 | <xris> | oh |
| 14:09 | <xris> | that's a bug, then. |
| 14:09 | <xris> | that code should be getting escaped on output |
| 14:09 | <laga> | ok, i'll forward it to trac then. |
| 14:12 | <xris> | yeah. should be an easy fix |
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| 14:23 | <gbee2> | escaped on input as well, surely? |
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| 15:22 | * | stuarta wakes up from the weekend |
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| 16:04 | <gbee> | gnome42: those livetv fixes you wrote a while back, are there any which haven't been applied which might help with #5261 ? |
| 16:06 | <gnome42> | gbee: I'm not sure what the root problem is on #5261. So short answer is no. |
| 16:07 | <gbee> | well I was thinking that it might be worth some of those affected trying the patches, if they don't work then nothing changes, but if they do then we've saved some time debugging problems for which we already have fixes |
| 16:08 | <gnome42> | I may have it fixed in my tree here but I need to get some info outta those guys to confirm where the problem is. |
| 16:08 | <gbee> | sometimes it's easier just to provide the fixes and get feedback on those than squeezing usable info from the reporter |
| 16:08 | <gnome42> | Yeah, I thought of lobbing a few ideas/fixes out there but I decided to try and get a log first :) |
| 16:09 | <gbee> | was there a ticket for those patches? I didn't keep track |
| 16:09 | <gnome42> | you might be right, but I don't want to make it worse or more confusing. It's probably a few different buglets around. |
| 16:09 | <gbee> | yeah |
| 16:09 | <gnome42> | there was the other ticket which you opened way back |
| 16:10 | <gbee> | heh, ok, didn't remember my own ticket :p |
| 16:11 | <gnome42> | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3618 |
| 16:12 | <gnome42> | those might be useful for the 'JumpTo 1 issue' |
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| 16:24 | <gbee> | I'll try and bring them to the attention of danielk22 or janneg_, my memory of the livetv code is a little too distant, but if they've still not been reviewed in a month I'll make the time |
| 16:26 | <gnome42> | gbee: OK. I've been running those patches (on #3618) and they seem to help. |
| 16:27 | <gnome42> | gbee: Last that I recall daniel had taken a quick look at the patches and then asked Chutt to look for the same reason :) |
| 16:29 | <gnome42> | I'm cool though. They're there if needed. :) |
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| 16:29 | <gnome42> | gotta run ... |
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| 16:47 | <xris> | hmm, mythtv apparently displays the SD expiration info in DD/MM/YY format instead of US-preferred MM/DD/YY -- confused at least one user. |
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| 16:51 | <Anduin> | xris: 6/21/08 here |
| 16:51 | <xris> | Anduin: hmm.. I wonder if that user is set up using GB english, maybe... |
| 16:51 | <Anduin> | Yeah, if it doesn't obey the locale that would be a bug |
| 16:51 | <janneg> | xris: it's probably using mythtv's date format |
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| 16:55 | <Anduin> | it is using Qt::LocalDate (datadirect.cpp:434) |
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| 17:19 | <gbee> | we should be used the mythtv date format for all dates - I want to tidy up that stuff and tie in the defaults together depending locale, but it's a low priority job |
| 17:23 | <Anduin> | Yeah, locale is important elsewhere, I'll close with invalud (and a hint about locale) |
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| 17:35 | <Anduin> | Using the myth date format there doesn't seem to make sense, the short version has no year, a problem many of the longer versions share. |
| 17:37 | <adc> | mythweb sends html pages rendered for mobiles, even though i use the desktop browser firefox. whats going wrong here? |
| 17:37 | <adc> | i called these mythweb pages with my mobile phone and since then it even sends to a different computer mobile pages |
| 17:37 | <xris> | adc: you probably have a mobile cookie.. (best ask in the support channel and not the dev channel, though) |
| 17:37 | <adc> | ohh i' |
| 17:37 | <adc> | i'm wrong again |
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| 19:12 | <Anduin> | Isaac is the only mailman admin still right? |
| 19:13 | <danielk22> | AFAIK |
| 19:13 | <danielk22> | something broken? |
| 19:14 | <Anduin> | Oh, my hosting people switched to postini, which I'm going to default to blaming, but without an actual bounce notice it is just a good guess (mad better by it never hitting my mail server) |
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