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| 03:53 | <Dibblah> | Chutt: There's been some futzing with I2C, but that's not really for the Hauppauge cards. |
| 03:54 | <Dibblah> | What was the error you saw (dmesg)? |
| 03:55 | <Chutt> | dma timeout |
| 03:55 | <Chutt> | just on one tuner of my 500 |
| 03:56 | <Dibblah> | Oh, a 500 :( |
| 03:56 | <Chutt> | it was perfectly stable until i updated kernels |
| 03:57 | <Chutt> | unfortunately, that was months ago, and i have no idea what i used to be on |
| 03:58 | <Dibblah> | Any idea what the card returned to Myth? |
| 03:58 | <Dibblah> | (EBUSY / ...?) |
| 03:58 | <Chutt> | naw, lost the scrollback |
| 03:59 | <Dibblah> | You run mbe in screen? ;) |
| 03:59 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 04:00 | <Dibblah> | The last fix for DMA errors was some time ago. |
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| 04:07 | <Dibblah> | Are you on 2.6.24 gold, or .7? |
| 04:07 | <Dibblah> | There are some DMA changes in .7. |
| 04:08 | <Dibblah> | (Scatter / gather related, though, so it might not be applicable to this issue) |
| 04:08 | <Chutt> | Linux Phecda 2.6.24-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Feb 14 20:40:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:08 | <Chutt> | older ubuntu hardy, i believe |
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| 04:12 | <Dibblah> | Sorry - The change was in .6 and related only to a crash. |
| 04:15 | <Dibblah> | You're not using VBI / CC I assume? |
| 04:18 | <Chutt> | it might be on |
| 04:18 | <Chutt> | i have no idea, really, i've never enabled it during playback |
| 04:21 | <Dibblah> | It has caused issues in the past, since it's 2 seperate DMA regions. But I don't see anything in the .24 changelog that should affect this. |
| 04:22 | <Dibblah> | On a completely OT topic, are you still happy with your Aeron? |
| 04:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 04:22 | <Chutt> | still comfy |
| 04:23 | <Dibblah> | Good. Thanks - Considering buying one, but have to get it approved by my home finance department :) |
| 04:23 | <Chutt> | find someplace to try one out first |
| 04:23 | <Dibblah> | Tilt adjuster / support options? |
| 04:24 | <Chutt> | i got the fully adjustable |
| 04:24 | <Dibblah> | I'm in the UK and have tried - Noone has it locally. |
| 04:25 | <Chutt> | at the office, they all have 'freedom' chairs |
| 04:25 | <Chutt> | humanscale's the company, i think |
| 04:25 | <Chutt> | also quite nice |
| 04:30 | <Dibblah> | Thanks. |
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| 05:28 | <gbee> | wish the v4l devs updated their own wiki, getting information on device support is painful |
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| 06:36 | <zaheerm> | is anyone working on figuring out the compression used by freesat in the eit names and descriptions? |
| 06:37 | <gbee> | they've compressed it? WTF? |
| 06:41 | <zaheerm> | they compressed the name and description in the eit |
| 06:41 | <zaheerm> | for the 7 day schedule eits |
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| 06:42 | <zaheerm> | they are also put in high pids, so identification is just by table id |
| 06:43 | <zaheerm> | what i've found so far is that they seem to have 2 codebooks: if the first byte is 0x1 it uses codebook 1 and 0x2 it uses codebook 2 |
| 06:43 | <zaheerm> | i have found some patterns |
| 06:43 | * | gbee shrugs |
| 06:43 | <gbee> | stuarta: thoughts? |
| 06:44 | <gbee> | I'll probably stick with xmltv anyway, better quality data |
| 06:45 | <zaheerm> | i've written a small program that scans through a ts and outputs to stdout channel name: start date/time duration: name (as hex) and description (as hex) |
| 06:45 | <gbee> | maybe I'll shake the tree and see if any of our BBC contacts drop out |
| 06:45 | <zaheerm> | they have added series link info inside descriptors inside the eit so should be richer data |
| 06:45 | <gbee> | zaheerm: this is with what they are currently broadcasting? I expected any obfuscation to disappear before the launch |
| 06:46 | <zaheerm> | correct |
| 06:46 | <zaheerm> | they were broadcasting in plaintext before |
| 06:46 | <zaheerm> | in feb sometime |
| 06:46 | <zaheerm> | then changed it in last cpl of months to compress name and description in the eit |
| 06:46 | <gbee> | ok, guess I'll have to put my EIT hat back on and see what I can find |
| 06:47 | <gbee> | annoying that they couldn't just stick to the standards, I expect such crap from sky and US cable companies but for the BBC to do it :( |
| 06:48 | <zaheerm> | well i am guessing they compressed it to save bandwidth |
| 06:48 | <gbee> | yep |
| 06:48 | <zaheerm> | but the compression used is obviously part of the freesat spec for the stb manufacturers |
| 06:49 | <gbee> | I take it that you've tried the obvious suspects? |
| 06:50 | <zaheerm> | tell me the obvious suspects |
| 06:51 | <janneg> | zlib |
| 06:51 | <gbee> | zlib |
| 06:52 | <zaheerm> | it's not zlibbed |
| 06:52 | <gbee> | heh, morning janneg |
| 06:52 | <janneg> | hey |
| 06:52 | <zaheerm> | i have a text dump and preliminary analysis inside my bzr repo http://zaheer.merali.org/zaheer-dvb |
| 06:53 | <janneg> | late morning here, probably time for lunch to be precise |
| 06:53 | <janneg> | what compression does Dish Network use? |
| 06:53 | <gbee> | lzf? |
| 06:54 | <gbee> | that wasn't my guess at Dish, just throwing it out there |
| 06:54 | <zaheerm> | haven't checked if it is lzf |
| 06:55 | <gbee> | my DVB-S card won't arrive until early next week, so I can't play with it until at least the following weekend |
| 06:56 | <gbee> | zaheerm: that url is giving me a 403 |
| 06:56 | <zaheerm> | sorry, let me fix that |
| 06:57 | <zaheerm> | gbee, you are using bzr not a browser right? |
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| 06:58 | <zaheerm> | coz it works fine with bzr |
| 06:58 | <gbee> | zaheerm: ahh, sorry, missed the bzr bit |
| 06:59 | <janneg> | zaheerm: have you tried contacting the bbc/freesat? I would guess that would have a real chance of getting infos |
| 07:00 | <zaheerm> | janneg, will give that a go, though i saw in the bbc backstage mailing list...that the spec is being kept closed for the moment to allow the current stb manufacturers a period of exclusivity |
| 07:04 | <gbee> | we've usually had good relations with the BBC, I'm sure they will help, it may just mean finding the right people (several mythtv users there) |
| 07:05 | <zaheerm> | so the code i wrote to dump the eit data to stdout is in the analysis folder, epgdump.py (uses gstreamer) |
| 07:05 | <zaheerm> | and the output and my analysis are in the freesat folder |
| 07:07 | <janneg> | dish network uses huffman encoding, apparently standardized in ATSC |
| 07:07 | <janneg> | I don't know if it's zlib compatible |
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| 07:10 | <zaheerm> | i'm guessing it is huffman also, with either code tables fixed on the set top boxes or being sent through a private descriptor |
| 07:13 | <gbee> | zaheerm: dvdsnoop doesn't work to dump it? |
| 07:13 | <zaheerm> | gbee, i cannot get dvbsnoop to output in a form that i find readable for this purpose |
| 07:14 | <gbee> | ok |
| 07:14 | <zaheerm> | and as i have written the gstreamer dvb stuff, writing that program was easy |
| 07:15 | <janneg> | zaheerm: http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_65cr1_with_amend_1.pdf has the huffman tables used for atsc |
| 07:15 | <zaheerm> | janneg, thanks |
| 07:17 | <janneg> | it has two compression types 0x01 and 0x02 |
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| 07:20 | <zaheerm> | aaah so could be the same |
| 07:20 | <zaheerm> | let me read |
| 07:20 | <gbee> | sounds familiar :) |
| 07:21 | <gbee> | lets hope it's that easy |
| 07:21 | <zaheerm> | i hope so |
| 07:21 | <zaheerm> | i'm talking to some bbc guys who work on kamaelia to see if they can dig up info |
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| 10:21 | <danielk22> | The huffman tables need to be language specific to be effective, but i could see them using the ATSC tables. American and British English isn't all that different, except maybe for more u's in the British variant. |
| 10:21 | <zaheerm> | definitely not the ATSC tables |
| 10:22 | <danielk22> | it was worth a try |
| 10:22 | <zaheerm> | I have built up almost all the tree where previous symbol is nothing and current symbol is x |
| 10:22 | <danielk22> | so we have to wait for these to become public? |
| 10:22 | <zaheerm> | for all x is capital letters |
| 10:23 | <zaheerm> | i am hoping to reverse engineer it |
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| 10:23 | <danielk22> | well you have the output text so it's possible |
| 10:24 | <zaheerm> | yah i'm referring to bleb and itv.com's tv guide for the output text |
| 10:24 | <danielk22> | have you determined if it is bit by bit or a dictionary type compression? |
| 10:24 | <danielk22> | bit-by-bit, like huffman makes the most sense to me, since these eit tables should be self standing. |
| 10:24 | <zaheerm> | there are definitely 2 codebooks stored on the set top boxes |
| 10:25 | <zaheerm> | and it is almost definitely stateful in that it depends on what the previous character is |
| 10:25 | <zaheerm> | and the characters are variable bit length |
| 10:25 | <zaheerm> | i'm working on codebook 1 currently |
| 10:26 | <danielk22> | k, probably a 2 stage dictionary then. |
| 10:26 | <danielk22> | good luck :) |
| 10:26 | <zaheerm> | hoping to be able to decipher most program titles by end of weekend |
| 10:27 | <zaheerm> | have also got someone at bbc pushing for freesat spec to be freely released |
| 10:27 | <zaheerm> | but it probably will happen after i have reverse engineered it all |
| 10:28 | <danielk22> | hehe |
| 10:28 | <zaheerm> | well not all the spec, but at least the eit part which is a small part of the spec |
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