--- | Log | opened Fri Jun 06 00:00:47 2008 |
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00:44 | <Chutt> | xris, how hard can it be to get the numbers i want? |
00:44 | <Chutt> | i'm getting extremely annoyed by the replies i'm getting, here. |
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02:07 | <xris> | Chutt: no one has expired yet.. there are no *valid* renewal numbers because most people have no incentive to renew for another month |
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02:24 | <Chutt> | that argument makes absolutely no sense. |
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02:29 | <haffe_> | Hello. Could somebody help me with this? |
02:31 | <haffe_> | I'm trying to setup a Happauge Wintv Nova-T500. It is detected by the system, since I have /dev/dvb/adapter0 och /dev/dvb/adapter1. I have come to the stage where I have to setup the TV-cards, and this confuses me a lot. Should I chose analoge V4L card, should I chose DVB-T card? |
02:31 | <cesman> | haffe_: #mythtv-users |
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02:37 | <xris> | Chutt: makes perfect sense. I don't think I ever pay my bills the day/week they show up, especially if I have 30-40 days before any consequences. *especially* if there is no late fee or penalty for paying a few days late |
02:37 | <Chutt> | i'm not a moron |
02:37 | <Chutt> | i realize that there aren't final numbers. |
02:37 | <Chutt> | how fucking hard is it to generate current stats? |
02:40 | <xris> | you see robert's last email? |
02:40 | <Chutt> | yeah |
02:40 | <xris> | it's sort of a pain because he didn't code renewal into into the payment engine until I begged him for it a couple of weeks ago (I've been asking for months) |
02:40 | <Chutt> | basically, you're not keeping track of things that should be necessary. |
02:41 | <xris> | not really. the stats are easy enough to generate after the fact, which is all that people ever really thought about up to this point. |
02:41 | <Chutt> | ie, the fact that a user has a 1 year paid account |
02:41 | <xris> | renewals now still don't *say* anything meaningful. |
02:41 | <Chutt> | and just added another 1 year paid account |
02:41 | <Chutt> | should be a tiny simple query. |
02:42 | <xris> | except that it's not that simple... what if the user had two 2-month accounts, and then was offline for a month, then paid for a 1-year account? |
02:42 | <xris> | is that a "renewal"? |
02:42 | <Chutt> | for these purposes? |
02:42 | <xris> | we have people like that. |
02:42 | <Chutt> | absolutely not. |
02:43 | <xris> | I still don't understand what info you're trying to glean from these stats, though. |
02:43 | <xris> | they don't mean anything for projections until the expiration period has past and we've "lost" the member. |
02:43 | <Chutt> | all i want to know is what % of users that expire in june (ie, the first big chunk), have re-signed up for something. |
02:43 | <Chutt> | i've been asking for *3* weeks |
02:44 | <xris> | that's pretty much the number I gave |
02:44 | <xris> | I've been out of it for awhile (work crap) and guess I expected robert to chime in with the numbers earlier. |
02:45 | <xris> | grumble.. stupid mplex won't mux HD files... |
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02:51 | <rmeden> | hi |
03:08 | <sphery> | Chutt: In case you haven't had time to dig through to find the same-filesystem detection, it's in GetFilesystemInfos in programs/mythbackend/backendutil.cpp . Basically, though, it compares total filesystem size and space used. If total size of filesystem for 2 directories is within 16kB and used space differs by less than 5 seconds of max bitrate write, they're assumed to be the same filesystem. |
03:09 | <Chutt> | sphery, yeah, i found it. 3 empty drives of the same size = duplicate |
03:10 | <sphery> | yeah, false positives are common with new drives, but quickly disappear (i.e. after a recording to 2 out of 3 drives :) |
03:10 | <Chutt> | i just copied random log files to them |
03:10 | <sphery> | better than false negatives, though (which would make Myth think it has extra space) |
03:10 | <sphery> | that works, too |
03:10 | <sphery> | or dd if=/dev/zero... |
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03:21 | <Chutt> | xris, i _just_ got your email from an hour ago. thanks, that's closer to what i was looking for. |
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10:45 | <gbee2> | crap, seems ITV-HD is paff & spatial |
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10:47 | <gbee> | guess coreavc might be the only option for now |
10:47 | <laga> | gbee: did you come up with anything when looking at the memory leak? |
10:49 | <gbee> | laga: not really, there are a couple of possible leaks but I'd like to know more about mpeg streams before I could be sure |
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10:53 | <gbee> | was it with the latest version of fixes? |
10:56 | <gbee> | hmm, doesn't matter - only two changes since release and neither is applicable to this issue |
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10:58 | <gbee> | laga: I'll take another look tonight, problem is that the valgrind log lacks line numbers so I can't instantly see where the leaked memory was allocated, it's probably staring me in the face though |
10:59 | <laga> | no line numbers? :( |
10:59 | <laga> | i think i had him install debug symbols, tho |
11:00 | <stuarta> | i seem to remember something similar from ages ago |
11:00 | <stuarta> | relating to correctly throwing away broken packets |
11:00 | <gbee> | I can't actually remember just whether valgrind tends to include line numbers or not |
11:01 | <stuarta> | i patched it, however the patch was reverted since apparently it threw away too much and caused other issues |
11:03 | <stuarta> | gbee: valgrind includes line numbers if the symbols are there (debug or profile) build required |
11:03 | <GreyFoxx> | Have any of you tried the CoreAVC patch ? |
11:04 | <gbee> | ok, that's what I thought |
11:04 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: think I'm going to try it tomorrow |
11:04 | <gbee> | just about to move the dish first |
11:04 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: MrGandalf has apparently been using it for months |
11:05 | <GreyFoxx> | I'm just wondering if it's worth including in myth proper and make it a choosable decoder just like libmpeg2 and such |
11:05 | <GreyFoxx> | so the user just needs to download/install coreavc but not touch myth |
11:06 | <stuarta> | hmmm |
11:06 | <GreyFoxx> | we can even "detect" the existance of coreavc before showing the option |
11:06 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: that's what I'm thinking we should do |
11:07 | <gbee> | the current patch already checks for the existance of the codec before attempting to use it, at least it looks that way from the casual inspection I did last night |
11:07 | <GreyFoxx> | yeah loooked that way to me too |
11:08 | <gbee> | I'd rather see ffmpeg handle all decoding, but I've got to be realistic and admit that won't happen for a while |
11:10 | <gbee> | I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I need coreavc, so it will definately be getting installed over the weekend |
11:10 | <stuarta> | don't you have to pay for that? |
11:13 | <GreyFoxx> | $15 |
11:14 | <gbee> | stuarta: yeah, it's cheap |
11:14 | <GreyFoxx> | It's cheap enough that I was tempted to buy it to play with the patches for the heck of it :) |
11:15 | <gbee> | £7 isn't a whole lot really - I've already spent half that on parking charges today |
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11:17 | <gbee> | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/06/asus_shows_eee_box_b202/ |
11:18 | <gbee> | on second thoughts, without an optical drive it wouldn't make a good frontend at all and useless for HD |
11:19 | <laga> | that's.. ugly |
11:19 | <RJ2> | I was wondering what the current state of scrobbling from mythmusic / last.fm streaming support is like - i just got mythtv set up last night |
11:19 | <Chutt> | laga, but it's wood grain! |
11:20 | <laga> | Chutt: that was my point. :) |
11:20 | <RJ2> | I'm using a package atm, not built head yet. apparently someone is working on adding support to mythmusic? |
11:21 | <Chutt> | gbee, mythuigroup != mythuitype? |
11:24 | <gbee> | Chutt: right now it's mythuitype with inheritance, I intend to add some bells and whistles, but arguably there isn't a good reason for a seperate uitype |
11:24 | <gbee> | you can't copy mythuitype and though it would take just two lines to change that, I figured it might be better to leave it strictly as a base class |
11:26 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's fine |
11:27 | <Chutt> | was just curious if it was anything different than the base =) |
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11:32 | <gbee> | sorry, phone |
11:32 | <gbee> | I may add some neat iteration stuff that I discussed a while back, but I can only see one place that might be useful and that's mythweather |
11:34 | <gbee> | anyway, the primary motivation for add it now in an unfinished state is to support the multi-widget states in mythuistatetype |
11:35 | <Chutt> | i hate dealing with rotated video |
11:35 | <Chutt> | especially when it has to be relative to the screen rotation |
11:35 | <gbee> | which in turn I need for this new mythlistbutton (or mythuibuttonlist as I've renamed it) |
11:35 | <Chutt> | ah |
11:39 | <gbee> | multi-widget statetypes have their own advantages from multiple images in watermarks to contextual changes in page layout |
11:40 | <Chutt> | can't the existing statetype be multi-widget? |
11:40 | <Chutt> | ah, right, |
11:40 | <Chutt> | if it were just using mythuitype |
11:46 | <gbee> | currently the only way to make it multi-widget would be to nest them, which is pretty limiting because their positions would be relative to the parent - by putting them under a generic widget which doesn't display anything e.g. mythuitype you can achieve the desired result |
11:46 | <Chutt> | right |
11:46 | <gbee> | which is what I originally did, until I decided that would require modifying mythuitype a little and so I decided to use mythuigroup instead |
11:47 | <gbee> | the change to mythuistatetype is tiny |
11:47 | <Chutt> | makes sense |
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11:50 | <laga> | how happy are you guys with the backtraces supplied by apport, btw? |
11:52 | <gbee> | grouping serves other purposes, such as applying effects to a bunch of items with a single entry in the theme, e.g. the title/subtitle/description of a program sliding into view after the page loads through the use of <moveby> |
11:53 | <gbee> | btw, not an effect I plan to put in my themes since I'd probably find it annoying, it's just to illustrate the point ;) |
11:59 | <laga> | " |
11:59 | <laga> | A 42-inch Eee TV should add basic computing functions to an LCD HDTV and will also become available in September, with pricing reportedly just $200 above the price of a stand-alone TV set." |
11:59 | <laga> | that'd be awesome. http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/06/05/asus.eee.monitor.photo/ |
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12:11 | <sardiskan> | I need help, I can't burn recordings to DVD with mytharchive |
12:13 | <sardiskan> | I also cannot transcode any recording |
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12:18 | <sardiskan> | found something on DVD creation |
12:19 | <sardiskan> | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArchive#MythArchive_doesn.27t_work._It_gets_to_the_log_viewer_and_just_sits_there._What.27s_wrong.3F |
12:19 | <sardiskan> | I'll try this |
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12:24 | <iamlindoro__> | sardiskan, perhaps a better discussion for #mythtv-users? (see topic) |
12:25 | <sardiskan> | ops |
12:25 | <sardiskan> | Sorry...didn't realize this was the dev channel |
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13:08 | <gbee> | sourceforge are running an open source awards thingy and I like the categories - "Most Likely to Be Ambiguously Accused of Patent Violation", "Most Likely to Get Users Sued", "Most Likely to Be the Next $1B Acquisition" |
13:09 | <gbee> | heh, in light of those categories it's pretty ironic that the awards are sponsored by Microsoft |
13:13 | <sutula> | gbee: On the contrary, what makes you think the award is the only thing you get from M$ |
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13:56 | <bkero> | I bet the award is a C&D |
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14:00 | <beandog> | heh |
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14:01 | <stuarta> | gbee: if you ask me that's a way for m$ to know who to sue next |
14:11 | <gbee> | stuarta: yup |
14:11 | <gbee> | it's a shopping list |
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14:47 | <foxbuntu> | CDev_, ping |
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15:21 | <gbee> | moved the dish and I'm still having no luck with BBC HD, of the dozens of transports only that one shows an error rate above zero >:( |
15:25 | <stuarta> | :( |
15:29 | <gbee> | only frequency I actually care about, so amazingly bad luck |
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16:07 | <Net_S551> | (once) the time is: 16:07:19 |
16:07 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:07:37 |
16:08 | <laga> | melunko_: what time is it now? |
16:08 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:08:10 |
16:08 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:08:45 |
16:09 | * | gbee frowns |
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16:09 | * | laga stabs Net_S551 |
16:09 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:09:17 |
16:09 | <stuarta> | we really should invite chanserv in here and give all the dev's +v |
16:09 | * | stuarta tazers Net_S551 |
16:09 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: I'm installing coreAVC now FWIW |
16:09 | <GreyFoxx> | gbee: Cool, |
16:10 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:10:02 |
16:10 | <GreyFoxx> | stua: I agree |
16:10 | <gbee> | ok, now I agree too |
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16:10 | <gbee> | the one time it came up in the past Chutt wasn't in favour though |
16:10 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:10:39 |
16:11 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:11:35 |
16:11 | <GreyFoxx> | the chanserv bit, or morepoeple with +v ? |
16:12 | <stuarta> | they go hand in hand |
16:12 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:12:08 |
16:12 | <GreyFoxx> | at least some who are regularly here :) |
16:12 | <gbee> | both, since you can't really enforce +v properly without chanserv |
16:12 | * | stuarta goes in search of staff |
16:13 | <gbee> | or +o, or flags in general |
16:13 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:13:00 |
16:13 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:13:30 |
16:13 | <stuarta> | ffs no staff around |
16:14 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:14:02 |
16:14 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:14:32 |
16:15 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:15:03 |
16:15 | <laga> | time for some more stabbings |
16:15 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:15:47 |
16:16 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:16:18 |
16:16 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:16:48 |
16:17 | <stuarta> | Chutt: can we have chanserv in here now? |
16:17 | <Net_S551> | the time is: 16:17:47 |
16:17 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+o Chutt] by ChanServ |
16:18 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+b *!*@*uwaterloo.ca] by Chutt |
16:18 | <@Chutt> | good enough? |
16:18 | <@Chutt> | :p |
16:18 | <stuarta> | heh |
16:18 | <stuarta> | think the boot may be needed |
16:18 | <@Chutt> | eh |
16:18 | <@Chutt> | the bots can't talk |
16:18 | <@Chutt> | :p |
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16:19 | <stuarta> | ahhh...... |
16:19 | <stuarta> | anyway, as a general idea, would it be good to have chanserv in here on a regular basis like we do in #mythtv-users? |
16:20 | <@Chutt> | it's usually not necessary |
16:20 | <@Chutt> | but i can look into that |
16:20 | <stuarta> | not usually necessary in -users either |
16:20 | <stuarta> | but it's a nice to have |
16:20 | <stuarta> | since generally it's the devs that have the appropriate access levels |
16:21 | <stuarta> | to moderate/cleanup as needed |
16:26 | <gbee> | ok, coreavc/directshow installation is pretty easy, a few steps but as long as you follow the guide it seems to go smoothly - especially if you run the coreavc installer under wine |
16:29 | <@Chutt> | added a bunch of devs to the access list for the channel |
16:30 | <@Chutt> | you should be able to op yourself (msg chanserv op #mythtv <nick>) |
16:30 | <@Chutt> | stuarta, janneg, gbee, GreyFoxx, xris, kormoc |
16:30 | <stuarta> | cheers |
16:31 | <@Chutt> | does it work? |
16:31 | <@Chutt> | i don't see the need for chanserv to be in here |
16:31 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+o stuarta] by ChanServ |
16:31 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [-o Chutt] by Chutt |
16:31 | <@stuarta> | yup |
16:31 | <Chutt> | good 'nuff |
16:31 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [-o stuarta] by stuarta |
16:31 | <stuarta> | that'll do. thanks muchly |
16:32 | <Chutt> | i'll add anyone who feels left out |
16:32 | <Chutt> | but that should give decent coverage of times :p |
16:33 | <stuarta> | yeah, pretty much |
16:33 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+v stuarta] by ChanServ |
16:33 | <+stuarta> | ooo |
16:33 | <xris> | oh, cool |
16:33 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ |
16:34 | <+stuarta> | now don't be greedy :-P |
16:34 | <Chutt> | heh |
16:34 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ |
16:34 | <Chutt> | i like not having artificial distinctions in the user list :p |
16:34 | <@xris> | ok, I can't seem to DE op myself |
16:34 | <+stuarta> | /deop #mythtv |
16:34 | <@xris> | not in this client |
16:34 | <Chutt> | hah |
16:34 | <@xris> | I thought I used to use /mode -o <nick> |
16:35 | <+stuarta> | try it |
16:35 | <Chutt> | try with #mythtv after the mode |
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16:35 | <@xris> | stuarta: I tried. didn't do anything |
16:35 | <+stuarta> | not yet seen a client so crap it can't do basic irc stuff |
16:35 | <+stuarta> | oh dear |
16:35 | <+stuarta> | ah. tell chanserv to deop |
16:35 | <@xris> | stuarta: colloquy for mac. |
16:35 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+v gbee] by ChanServ |
16:35 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [-o xris] by ChanServ |
16:35 | <+gbee> | yup, works |
16:36 | <xris> | ok, at least I can get chanserv to do it. |
16:36 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+v gbee] by ChanServ |
16:36 | * | xris needs a refresher in irc commands.. heh |
16:36 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+v xris] by ChanServ |
16:36 | <Chutt> | whaddya guys want +v for? |
16:37 | <+xris> | just playing |
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16:37 | <+stuarta> | it's nice |
16:37 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [-v stuarta] by ChanServ |
16:37 | <stuarta> | gives one a warm fuzzy feeling |
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16:37 | <Chutt> | suuure |
16:37 | <stuarta> | i'll admit, i'm strange :) |
16:38 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [+o xris] by ChanServ |
16:38 | * | gbee opens a beer to achieve that same feeling |
16:38 | <Chutt> | hrm |
16:38 | * | sutula tries to figure out whether the chatter from all the new ops is worse than the bot clock :) |
16:38 | <stuarta> | i think i'm up to number 5 on the beer front |
16:38 | <Chutt> | 22 minutes until 5pm |
16:38 | <stuarta> | escape, no one will notice |
16:38 | <Chutt> | of course not |
16:38 | <gbee> | stuarta: you're well ahead of me then |
16:39 | <stuarta> | it is a 2 beer train ride home from the office :) |
16:39 | <gbee> | not for much longer ;) |
16:39 | -!- | mode/#mythtv [-o xris] by xris |
16:39 | <xris> | ok, /deop works now |
16:39 | * | stuarta goes for another |
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16:59 | * | stuarta beers gbee to make sure there's no drought |
17:00 | <gbee> | cheers :) |
17:00 | <stuarta> | :) |
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17:04 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: coreavc patch doesn't apply cleanly against trunk |
17:04 | <gbee> | I'll put an updated version in trac |
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18:06 | <GreyFoxx> | gbee: Cool, much to change? |
18:07 | <gbee> | couple of conflicts and another two qt4 related fixes |
18:07 | <GreyFoxx> | ahhh |
18:07 | <GreyFoxx> | trying playing anything with it yet ? |
18:08 | <gbee> | just about to try it |
18:08 | <gbee> | I was waiting for the recording I was watching to finish :) |
18:09 | <GreyFoxx> | hehe |
18:09 | <gbee> | hmm, must have missed something, it's still using ffmpeg |
18:10 | <gbee> | ok, missed the last step in the install guide |
18:14 | <gbee> | I really need to try this on the frontend that it's going to be used, my laptop doesn't have the power (which I expected) |
18:15 | <gbee> | two samples play, although not smoothly but the 20 minutes BBC sample doesn't play at all |
18:15 | <gbee> | it's not really a fair test, so I'll install it on the frontend tomorrow and see how it performs |
18:22 | <Majost> | Do the predefined filters come from libmythtv? |
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18:29 | <gbee> | GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/3053/coreavc.patch |
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18:44 | <Majost> | Do you know if this patch fixed pes h.264? |
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