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| 00:19 | <high-rez> | Hey Guys - I bought a siig "vista mce remote" assuming it's just a standard old mce driver. But it doesn't seem to be working. Any suggestion on making it work ? |
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| 00:25 | <cecil> | high-rez: #mythtv-users or #lirc |
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| 01:01 | <Ace2016> | morning all |
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| 07:39 | <gbee> | does it make more sense to give each library it's own version number, or too much hassle? |
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| 07:54 | <gbee> | I've no evidence that gcc 4.3 is any slower than earlier versions but it feels slow |
| 07:55 | <janneg> | since they are not used outside of mythtv (except some plugins afaik) it's probably too hassle |
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| 08:03 | <J_t_M> | laga & Anduin: Looks like the patch I suggested on here the other day didn't work. My current rip time for a damaged DVD is currently showing at about 2000+ hours. |
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| 08:11 | <laga> | J_t_M: saD :( |
| 08:12 | <J_t_M> | Yehr I know |
| 08:12 | <J_t_M> | I even set up a separate MythBuntu install in a VM to get everything working without damaging my existing setup. |
| 08:12 | <J_t_M> | Ah well |
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| 09:26 | <laga> | i'm trying to build svn trunk on hardy and getting this error: http://www.pastebin.ca/1045974 |
| 09:27 | <laga> | is that a real problem or just me being stupid? |
| 09:36 | * | janneg blames gbee |
| 09:37 | <gbee> | whoops |
| 09:37 | <gbee> | this is what I hate about juggling patches, I _really_ need to look at quilt |
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| 09:55 | <gbee> | laga: try it now |
| 10:07 | <Ace2016> | someone help, i need icon ideas for media library |
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| 10:28 | <Ace2016> | guess what |
| 10:28 | <Ace2016> | there is a theme like mine already :( |
| 10:29 | <laga> | i guess you can get some icon ideas from there then ;) |
| 10:29 | <Ace2016> | oh lol, it wasn't mythtv |
| 10:29 | <Ace2016> | can mythtv have custom menus? |
| 10:29 | <Ace2016> | are the menus a part of the skin? |
| 10:31 | <gbee> | Ace2016: menus can be customised and _can_ optionally be included with the UI theme |
| 10:32 | <gbee> | and no, I'm not giving away my watermark ideas, It's hard enough to come up with them ;) |
| 10:32 | <Ace2016> | oh good, so i can just rename media library to say my media? |
| 10:32 | <Ace2016> | you make themes? |
| 10:34 | <gbee> | one so far, not making more until I've finished the UI re-write |
| 10:35 | <Ace2016> | so the theme engine is being rewritten? |
| 10:38 | <gbee> | entirely |
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| 10:39 | <Ace2016> | :( |
| 10:40 | <Ace2016> | so will the current themes still work with the new one? |
| 10:41 | <gbee> | no, the core themes will probably be re-written (although some of us would rather use the opportunity to ditch them) |
| 10:42 | <laga> | gbee: thanks, it seems to build now |
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| 10:42 | <gbee> | the xml is similar, but not the same |
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| 10:43 | <gbee> | honestly, I'd say there is little point porting most of the old themes, they will look out-dated when new themes appear which make full use of the new code |
| 10:44 | <Ace2016> | oh ok i think i'll wait untill the new theme engine out |
| 10:45 | <gbee> | I don't want to stop you making your theme, but if you intend doing a full theme you should just be aware - if you are only changing a few images then it won't be so bad |
| 10:45 | <Ace2016> | well i was doing everything from scratch |
| 10:45 | <Ace2016> | so any eta? |
| 10:46 | <laga> | gbee: is trunk still only suitable for those who can fix stuff themselves? |
| 10:47 | <gbee> | laga: it's been pretty stable for me, but there probably are a few things that area still broken - nothing that prevent recording/playback etc though |
| 10:48 | <laga> | gbee: okay. just wondering if i should make new weekly trunk builds, but maybe i'll wait |
| 10:48 | <gbee> | Ace2016: not really, I'm hoping to have most of it done by the end of the summer but that might be too optimistic |
| 10:50 | <gbee> | changes won't appear until 0.22 |
| 10:50 | <Chutt> | trunk's pretty stable for me |
| 10:55 | <laga> | nice. looks like i won't have to redo all patches :) |
| 10:55 | <Ace2016> | gbee: is the new theme engine still based on png images? |
| 10:55 | <gbee> | Ace2016: yes |
| 10:56 | <gbee> | although at some point after the major lifting has been done, I might add SWF support |
| 10:57 | <laga> | SWF? as in "flash"? |
| 10:58 | <Ace2016> | why? |
| 10:58 | <Ace2016> | just add animated gifs or something |
| 10:59 | <Chutt> | it supports animation from a set of images |
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| 11:08 | <janneg> | does qt support animateg svg? |
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| 11:26 | <gbee> | swf? I meant svg, sorry for the confusion |
| 11:27 | <gbee> | qt4 adds support for svg, don't think that extends to animation |
| 11:27 | <gbee> | the present animation stuff in mythui is fine for now anyway |
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| 11:28 | <gbee> | qt does support animated gifs, but gif is probably the worse format for high resolution images so animated gif support will probably never be added to mythui |
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| 12:09 | <MrGandalf> | has any animation been introduced to Myth yet? |
| 12:10 | <teprrr> | themes can be animated.. or at least the background image |
| 12:11 | <MrGandalf> | opengl animation would be slick as well |
| 12:15 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: mythui already offers image animation and movement animation (text/images move around the screen), text colour cycling animation and their are plans for further widget specific animation effects such as smooth scrolling etc in lists |
| 12:16 | <MrGandalf> | gbee: how about static image animation using opengl? |
| 12:16 | <gbee> | most animation effects will require the GL painter be used since the QT one just isn't fast enough - or wasn't with QT 3 at least |
| 12:16 | <gbee> | MrGandalf: such as? |
| 12:17 | <MrGandalf> | like images flipping or rotating |
| 12:17 | <MrGandalf> | or a slideshow effect |
| 12:17 | <gbee> | yeah, we'll probably add that sort of stuff |
| 12:17 | * | MrGandalf can't wait :) |
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| 12:19 | <gbee> | static transformations are already in my tree, although right now they use QT - animating transitions wouldn't be that hard but to be fully hardware accelerated I'll need to move that stuff into the painters |
| 12:20 | <MrGandalf> | having all those effects available on the OSD would be really slick as well. |
| 12:28 | <gbee> | the OSD code will be replaced with mythui too, but I'm concentrating on the main UI first |
| 12:32 | <MrGandalf> | You can't do both at the same time and have it all done by the end of the week? |
| 12:33 | <MrGandalf> | I gotta tell ya, I'm disappointed.. I expected faster - error free work. |
| 12:36 | <gbee> | :p |
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| 13:03 | <Ace2016> | gbee: will the new version support svg? i want scalable themes |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | scalable how? |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | i mean, all of them already scale |
| 13:03 | <Ace2016> | scale the icons |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | they do that currently. |
| 13:04 | <Ace2016> | so can you already use svg? |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | why do you need svg to scale? |
| 13:05 | <Ace2016> | so that the images scale without pixelation on larger displays |
| 13:05 | <Ace2016> | so that anyone can use my theme independent of resolution |
| 13:05 | <Chutt> | see, that's _completely_ different |
| 13:05 | <Ace2016> | huh? |
| 13:05 | <Chutt> | because anyone right now _can_ use your theme independent of resolution. |
| 13:06 | <Chutt> | that whole "pre-scaling theme images" that people always complain about on startup =) |
| 13:06 | <Ace2016> | so i have to make massive icons or what? |
| 13:06 | <Chutt> | no? |
| 13:06 | <Ace2016> | so i have to aim for 16000 x 12000? |
| 13:06 | <Chutt> | look at all the other themes. |
| 13:07 | <Ace2016> | i mean if you upscale its going to look ugly |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | depends on your source res |
| 13:07 | <GreyFoxx> | 800x600 for 4:3 themes, 1280x720 for 16:9 themes |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | 1280x720 upscaled to 1080p doesn't look bad at all. |
| 13:08 | <Ace2016> | I intend to put it on a crt monitor |
| 13:08 | <Ace2016> | or an lcd, which will require higher resolutions right? |
| 13:08 | <Ace2016> | i'm making the theme so i'm trying to figure out what res to work on |
| 13:08 | <iamlindoro__> | Ace2016, the resolutions were just quoted are the ones you *must* work in as of now |
| 13:09 | <Ace2016> | so if i do go with some HUGE resolution, then it will scale? |
| 13:09 | <iamlindoro__> | No |
| 13:09 | <iamlindoro__> | must == must |
| 13:09 | <iamlindoro__> | must != optional |
| 13:09 | <Ace2016> | wtf? |
| 13:10 | <Ace2016> | those resolutions are tiny |
| 13:10 | * | Ace2016 wants bigger |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | they're TV resolutions. |
| 13:10 | * | Ace2016 wants to use a crt as a TV |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | mythtv runs on a tv. |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | the video you're going to display isn't any larger. |
| 13:10 | <Ace2016> | so? |
| 13:10 | <Ace2016> | but i want myth large |
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| 13:11 | <Chutt> | too bad =) |
| 13:11 | <Ace2016> | 800x600 really? |
| 13:11 | <Ace2016> | thats horrible, can't you increase it just a bit? |
| 13:11 | <iamlindoro__> | or 1280x720 for -wide themes |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | since most SD tvs are 640x480, yes |
| 13:11 | <Ace2016> | say to 1024x768? |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | 800x600's more than enough. |
| 13:11 | <Ace2016> | what happens when i run mythtv on my crt? |
| 13:11 | <Ace2016> | will it stretch? |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | it scales |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | just like it will for video. |
| 13:13 | <Ace2016> | is a hdtv really lower resolution than 800x600? |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | hdtvs are either 1280x720 or 1920x1080 |
| 13:14 | <Ace2016> | so why aren't mythtv themes that big? |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | uh |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | 1280x720 for 16:9 themes |
| 13:14 | <Ace2016> | and what if you use a 4:3 screen to watch hdtv? |
| 13:14 | <Chutt> | you'll get scaling? |
| 13:14 | <Ace2016> | grrrr |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | for the menus |
| 13:15 | <iamlindoro__> | Your 4:3 screen is almost certainly 640x480 anyway |
| 13:15 | <iamlindoro__> | So if anything an 800x600 theme is too *many* pixels |
| 13:15 | <Ace2016> | i'm going to use a crt as a TV |
| 13:16 | <Ace2016> | TVs suck |
| 13:16 | <iamlindoro__> | You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means |
| 13:16 | <Ace2016> | fine |
| 13:16 | <iamlindoro__> | TVs *are* CRTs, but CRTs can also be used in high-resolution displays |
| 13:16 | <iamlindoro__> | well, some TVs are anyway... shitty ones. |
| 13:17 | <Ace2016> | yes well everyone calls fat computer monitors CRTs |
| 13:17 | <iamlindoro__> | Anyway, why don't you *look* at what regular myth themes look like on your display before asking for code changes that will never happen? |
| 13:17 | <iamlindoro__> | I run -wide themes at 1080p and they look astonishingly good |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | actually, gbee was making it so they could be authored at any res |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | and just talking about svg, but |
| 13:18 | <iamlindoro__> | Chutt, understood, I guess I meant the "on-demand" code changes :) |
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| 13:29 | <gbee> | the underlying stuff is there to allow themes to be created at any resolution, it's no more than 10 minutes work to finish that code |
| 13:31 | <gbee> | there isn't a lot of point going higher than 1280x720 though, if you are using the screen as a TV you won't be sitting close enough to see scaling artifacts |
| 13:32 | <gbee> | even then, I use a 1440x900 screen for development and 1280x720 themes look just fine up close |
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| 13:49 | <MrGandalf> | svg is a whole lot better for scaling, just harder to create the images. |
| 13:54 | <gbee> | I created all the images for Metallurgy in SVG, so it makes things a little easier if I can use them without first exporting to PNG |
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| 14:09 | <gbee> | the image scaling in QT does a pretty good job, I've seen commercial drawing apps which can't scale half as well |
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| 14:36 | <MrGandalf> | I remember the old vector icons in Irix.. they were pretty slick at the time. |
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| 16:42 | <MrGandalf> | blah |
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| 17:09 | <gbee> | hmm, skipping to the end of an in-progress recording causes it to exit playback, wonder when that was broken |
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| 17:13 | <stuarta> | a while ago |
| 17:14 | <gbee> | ugh, means finding the changset which caused the regression is going to be impossible |
| 17:15 | <gbee> | post 0.21? i.e. possibly QT4 related? |
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| 17:19 | <stuarta> | afaik yes |
| 17:20 | * | laga installs trunk in a VM |
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| 17:21 | <gbee> | not so bad then, but I'll open a ticket as a reminder for when I have more time |
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| 17:22 | <stuarta> | i must remember to check if cancelling an in progress recording works |
| 17:22 | <stuarta> | or if it was just a side effect of what i was doing at the time |
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| 17:24 | <laga> | yay, segfault. :) |
| 17:24 | <stuarta> | \o/ |
| 17:28 | <laga> | oh, it got the wrong prefix somehow. i guess that's the problem. |
| 17:29 | <gbee> | well backtrace anyway, segfaults are evil |
| 17:29 | <stuarta> | heh, i've got two installs in parallel. much fun :) |
| 17:30 | <laga> | i use a VM because of that.. i'm not that insane ;) |
| 17:30 | <stuarta> | i am :) |
| 17:30 | <laga> | gbee: ok, i'll try |
| 17:30 | <stuarta> | that and i've only got 1 tuner in this dev / production slave machine |
| 17:31 | <stuarta> | run 0.21-fixes, it's a slave |
| 17:31 | <stuarta> | run head, it's my dev box :) |
| 17:31 | * | stuarta makes a note to write that up on his website |
| 17:33 | <laga> | yay, no menu entries. </FAQY |
| 17:33 | <laga> | s/Y/>/ |
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| 17:39 | <laga> | now i wish i had tested mythfrontend before upgrading. doesn't work with the qt painter either. |
| 17:40 | <stuarta> | oops |
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| 17:44 | <laga> | fix: sudo aptitude install msttcorefonts. shame on me. |
| 17:45 | * | stuarta wonders if that's why i've been having shit fonts for ages |
| 17:46 | <laga> | now i wish i had a capture card in virtualbox :) |
| 17:50 | <janneg> | laga: I have one and a pretty powerful if you ignore that mythtv can't talk with it yet |
| 17:51 | <laga> | janneg: i could have one, too. but i'm too lazy to unbox the dbox :) |
| 17:52 | <janneg> | laga: well, do you mean to unbox the bricks? I don't think mythtv can capture video of from bricks |
| 17:53 | <janneg> | I'm assuming it's still in the same box I used for shipping |
| 17:54 | <laga> | janneg: looks like someone on ebay will have to deal with that problem then. |
| 17:54 | <laga> | janneg: don't worry, i know you can't be trusted so i checked the box before putting it into storage. |
| 17:55 | <laga> | :) |
| 17:55 | <laga> | interesting. it seems that --prefix won't override --runtime-prefix automagically |
| 17:56 | <laga> | (where "override" = sets sane defaults ) |
| 17:56 | <janneg> | I would have done the same since I'm not trusting DHL |
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| 19:12 | <laga> | gbee: have there been any big changes to the themes in trunk? or will old ones continue working? |
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| 19:31 | <gbee> | laga: mythweather, mythgallery, mythnews, mythflix and maybe ones I've forgotten have changed, if the theme you are using changed these areas then you need an updated version of the theme |
| 19:31 | <laga> | gbee: ok, thanks. so i'll have to prepare updated themes packages as well |
| 19:31 | <gbee> | none of the core themes (mythtv/themes or myththemes) did actually theme these areas |
| 19:32 | <gbee> | there might be changes I'm forgetting |
| 19:33 | <janneg> | GreyFoxx: hey, I just wanted to let you know that I got 3 weeks ago a 9 hour recording |
| 19:34 | <janneg> | unfortunately it's a HD recording that means I can't cut it with mythtranscode since it's h264 |
| 19:35 | <GreyFoxx> | At least it's not just me ;) |
| 19:40 | <janneg> | GreyFoxx: it was the first time |
| 19:41 | <janneg> | the recording looks a little bit small for 9 hours though, just 43G |
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