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04:18 | <gbee> | Chutt: nothing's broken that I'm aware of, it might be a rough time for people using third party themes as things get switched over but I think we can downgrade the "don't use trunk" to "caution, trunk may have issues" |
04:19 | <gbee> | I need to release a trunk version of mythui ... |
04:20 | <gbee> | err, metallurgy |
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04:30 | <gbee> | I'd like to backport things like the Freesat EIT decoding to -fixes, that means users are forced to use trunk unless they really want to |
04:32 | <janneg> | the HD PVR support is also planned to be backported (it's currently developed against -fixes) |
04:32 | <gbee> | s/are/aren't/ |
04:33 | <janneg> | a 0.21.1 realease after that would make sense |
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05:07 | <gbee> | janneg: any idea when you expect that to happen? |
05:09 | <janneg> | gbee: depends how much time daniel and I have |
05:09 | <gbee> | janneg: ok, I'm away for a week from Saturday, so I'll backport the EIT stuff tomorrow just in case |
05:10 | <janneg> | and my time is currently limited, I'm moving end of the month |
05:10 | <janneg> | gbee: I doubt that we are finished before you are back |
05:11 | <janneg> | and since the HD PVR support is a larger change we need also time to test |
05:12 | <janneg> | backporting freesat eit soon wouldn't be bad though |
05:14 | <gbee> | the freesat eit changes shouldn't break anything, but I wanted to give people a chance to test them in trunk first just in case |
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06:11 | * | stuarta pokes laga |
06:11 | <stuarta> | laga: the bug linked off 5336 isn't correct |
06:11 | <stuarta> | for what is described in the ticket |
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07:16 | <z|Casey> | Hello |
07:26 | <laga> | stuarta: ill take a look |
07:27 | <laga> | oops. |
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07:40 | <gbee> | converting playbackbox to mythui is going to be Fun, liberal use of contexts and containers :( |
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10:20 | <rizzy_rinn> | is this a mythtv user support chat? |
10:21 | <GreyFoxx> | Try #mythtv-users :) |
10:21 | <rizzy_rinn> | is #mythtv-users support? |
10:21 | <GreyFoxx> | yes it is user to user support and help |
10:21 | <rizzy_rinn> | ok thank you |
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11:08 | <cskowronnek> | Hi! I want to inform you, that my company is going to build some completely new mythv frontend with serveral new featues. Stay tuned |
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11:11 | <laga> | cskowronnek: based on clutter? ;) |
11:12 | <cskowronnek> | maybe ;-) |
11:12 | <laga> | cskowronnek: so are you just going to be all mysterious or actually gonna give out some facts/code? |
11:13 | <cskowronnek> | maybe I am, maybe I'm not (flute whistling starts in here= |
11:14 | <cskowronnek> | :-) |
11:14 | <laga> | what are you going to improve? |
11:14 | <cskowronnek> | It will be based on gloss |
11:15 | <cskowronnek> | do you never wanted mythtv |
11:15 | <cskowronnek> | do you ever wanted mythtv having a intuitve user interface and a nice gui like apple's frontrow or something like that? |
11:15 | <cskowronnek> | we do ;-) |
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11:17 | <cskowronnek> | eventually some improvements on the backend if we have tested it enough |
11:17 | <cskowronnek> | I can tell you, that 4-5 full time developers will start working on it |
11:18 | <cskowronnek> | and the results will be given back to the project in all or most parts |
11:20 | <laga> | cskowronnek: foxbuntu has been working on packaging gloss for ubuntu. he'll be excited to hear about your efforts. |
11:20 | <cskowronnek> | thanks for this information, I'll contact him |
11:20 | <laga> | i should note that i'm not a mythtv developer, just an interested individual :) |
11:21 | <laga> | it'd be a very good idea to let other people look at your code from early on, eg have a public VCS |
11:22 | <foxbuntu> | cskowronnek, we have registered a team @ LP for Gloss and I have the packaging _working_ but the project needs some help getting some things banged out before it gets submitted to revu |
11:22 | <cskowronnek> | packaging for what distro? |
11:23 | <laga> | ubutnu |
11:23 | <laga> | ubuntu |
11:24 | <cskowronnek> | the question is how we could help this gloss-packaging-project? |
11:24 | <cskowronnek> | give me some link and we can look what your issues are and how we can help you |
11:26 | <foxbuntu> | https://code.launchpad.net/~gloss-development/gloss/gloss-mc |
11:26 | <laga> | foxbuntu: is it functional? |
11:27 | <laga> | cskowronnek: what's wrong with just patching mythfrontend to suit your needs better? |
11:27 | <foxbuntu> | laga, yea...its _infant_ code but its functional |
11:27 | <GreyFoxx> | I'm sure gbee would love the assitance in pushing mythui further and making the changes to mythfrontend |
11:27 | <laga> | yeah. |
11:27 | <GreyFoxx> | especially with 4-5 fulltime devs working on it |
11:27 | <foxbuntu> | oh lord....here we go again |
11:28 | * | foxbuntu rolls his eyes |
11:28 | <GreyFoxx> | fox: He indicated he was going to start from scratch, so why not try and direct the efforts to something alreayd partially completed? |
11:28 | <laga> | please, no flamewar. kthx. i was just wondering why cskowronnek's company decided to go with gloss. |
11:29 | <GreyFoxx> | did he? All I saw was a "maybe" to clutter and others start talking about gloss |
11:29 | <GreyFoxx> | maybe I missed that bit |
11:29 | <foxbuntu> | GreyFoxx, just jerkin your leg...they should put the effort where they want to |
11:29 | <laga> | 17:05 < cskowronnek> It will be based on gloss |
11:29 | <GreyFoxx> | ahh I did miss it |
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11:30 | <GreyFoxx> | I still think the efforts should go toward improving the existing stuff, but in your time to spend as you wish :) |
11:30 | <gbee> | let them knock themselves out |
11:30 | <foxbuntu> | GreyFoxx, I agree functionality wise mythui/mythfrontend is far superior to Gloss atm, but that doesn't mean gloss should die or get no help either |
11:31 | <gbee> | we'll have a much improved UI for 0.22, by the time they've written a frontend with the same level of functionality no-one will care |
11:31 | <GreyFoxx> | I haven't said it should, nor maligned the guy for writing gloss |
11:31 | <GreyFoxx> | Doing something as an learning exercise I'm all for |
11:31 | <laga> | foxbuntu: so, gloss only supports music right now? |
11:32 | <GreyFoxx> | but a converted effort for improvement is not a "learning exercise" and seems more logical to apply to an existing infrastructure :) |
11:32 | <foxbuntu> | laga, no, videos, music, pictures |
11:32 | * | cesman wonders if #gloss exists.... |
11:32 | <foxbuntu> | laga, but it was built so plugin's can be easily created like mythfrontend |
11:34 | <laga> | well, it doesn't really work here. i'll play with it more when i get more time |
11:34 | <cskowronnek> | I don't want to argue about our decision, we decided to take a GPL licensed product so everyone can have an effort of this |
11:34 | <cskowronnek> | If he/she wants to |
11:37 | <laga> | cskowronnek: that's a great decision then. looking forward to seeing the code :) |
11:37 | <foxbuntu> | indeed |
11:37 | <gbee> | actually I'm going to get more work done if I don't have to explain mythui and the direction it's taking to a bunch of people who haven't work on the MythTV code, help would be nice but not at the expense of having to endlessly debate and explain things |
11:37 | <cskowronnek> | In some months you can choose between a lightweight, performant GUI with an easy interface and the full-featured, mighty mythtv-frontend which is some kind of slow and a bit kafuffle |
11:38 | <gbee> | unless 0.22 is out by then ;) |
11:38 | <laga> | gbee: well, 0.22 will still have way too many settings. ;) |
11:38 | <GreyFoxx> | Hence the problem of letting users weigh in on development :) |
11:38 | <laga> | hah |
11:38 | <GreyFoxx> | everyone wants everything to be an optional thing |
11:38 | <cskowronnek> | we want something like elisa on mythtv-backend, so not a digital video recorder but a full featured TV-centric media center |
11:39 | <GreyFoxx> | yet none want to deal with the settings :) |
11:39 | <foxbuntu> | gbee, where do you need help on 0.22? I am glad to help out where I can, I pretty much throw my hat in everywhere |
11:39 | <gbee> | true, depends on time as to whether the improvements I have in mind there come to pass before we release 0.22 ;) |
11:41 | <gbee> | foxbuntu: personally I could use a hand with converting over old themes to the new format, converting screens to mythui, maybe the addition of more animation stuff |
11:42 | <foxbuntu> | gbee, that I might be able to help with...I am pretty familar with the old themes |
11:42 | <foxbuntu> | gbee, I will pull down the svn for mythtv later today and catch up with you then |
11:43 | <laga> | foxbuntu: i can offer some trunk builds |
11:43 | <laga> | or you get to build them yourself, but it'll be nicely packaged ;) |
11:43 | <foxbuntu> | laga, oh right, you have that branch dont you |
11:43 | <foxbuntu> | laga, yeah...I will pull it from LP then |
11:48 | <gbee> | I also need help with documenting the various widget that can appear in each screen and which ones are optional |
11:50 | <foxbuntu> | gbee, ok...well I will be glad to jump in...I have been spending more and more time in the MythTV code anyways so it works out |
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14:48 | <abqjp> | If I setup a separate backend computer for development (running trunk), Is there an easy way to toggle my frontend between my 21-fixes backend and the trunk backend? I assume I would have to have both 21-fixes mythfrontend and a trunk mythfrontend app installed. |
14:50 | <stuarta> | funnily enough i wrote a web page on that the other day |
14:51 | <stuarta> | http://www.squashedfrog.net/article.php?story=20080615193047206 |
14:51 | <Chutt> | i'm running trunk in production, so you may not need to go to the effort |
14:51 | <abqjp> | Thanks stuart |
14:52 | <stuarta> | np |
14:52 | <abqjp> | So, trunk is stable again? |
14:52 | <Chutt> | has been for a while |
14:52 | <Chutt> | the only thing that may be changing in the future is theme stuff |
14:52 | <Chutt> | s/may/will |
14:52 | <abqjp> | Cool. So, it is just a matter of getting qt4 all updated on my f8 machines. |
14:52 | <Chutt> | there may still be random little things broken |
14:52 | <Chutt> | but, nothing that i've seen |
14:53 | <abqjp> | Not much to record this time of the year anyway ;-) |
14:53 | <stuarta> | i must try cancelling an in progress recording again |
14:53 | <stuarta> | that failed last time i tried |
14:54 | <abqjp> | Daniel started committing some of the HD-PVR support code, so I am sure he doesn't want me to continue sending patches against 21-fixes. |
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15:43 | <gbee> | stuarta: just cancelled an in-progress recording from the upcoming recording screen, it didn't update to reflect the change until I exited and re-entered the screen though |
15:49 | <stuarta> | k, last time i tried it it kept recording |
15:49 | <stuarta> | that was 1-2months ago tho |
15:49 | <gbee> | could be broken if done from other screens, I just know it worked for me just now on that particular screen |
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18:28 | <mjsilva> | what's the saffest way to install mythtv in fedora 8? |
18:29 | <mjsilva> | ups sorry wrong channel |
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22:49 | <jpabq> | I just upgraded from fixes to trunk, and am having a lot of DB problems. I am getting a bunch of messages like "rying to bind a value to placeholder :NR11RECID without occurance in the prepared query. Ignoring it." |
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