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06:26<gbee>stuarta_: cards have arrived, the way they've been labelled and the quantity has me wondering where they came from, i.e. some massive commercial recording setup
06:29<gbee>seems unlikely that a corporate or educational desktop purchase included DVB-S cards in each machine
06:36<GreyFoxx>hmmmmm looks like Jump points are a little messed up in the last couple days
06:37<GreyFoxx>I've got a jumppoint to go direction to MythVideos List, and one directly to Watch Recordings
06:37<GreyFoxx>and I have to exit whatever screen I'm on before the jump point takes effect
06:38<GreyFoxx>So if Im on Watch recordings I hit the MythVideo jump... then I can still nagivate watch recordings. When I exit watch recordings I go directly to mythvideo :)
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07:02<gbee>GreyFoxx: current trunk?
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07:28<Solaris444>hi everyone!
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08:01<GreyFoxx>gbee: Current as of 17684
08:01<GreyFoxx>looks like it's update time heh
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09:22<stuarta_>gbee: thanks
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09:23<gbee>yet to test if they work, but they aren't physically damaged except that the top of one bracket is very slightly bent (fixable with a pair of pliars
09:25<gbee>I'll email once I've tested them
09:25<stuarta>sure thing
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09:42<gbee>so why would passing pixel coords to glTexCoord2f work and values between 0.0 and 1.0 don't?
09:43<stuarta>gbee: out of interest, they come with any of the software?
09:44<gbee>stuarta: no, just the cards
09:44<stuarta>only gunna use them under linux so it doesn't matter :)
09:45<danielk22>gbee: if you are using the rect extentions then you need to pass pixel coords, otherwise 0.0-1.0f
09:45<gbee>danielk22: ok thanks, that explains it
09:46<gbee>doh, I think I see what the problem is
09:47<danielk22>Regular textures are always sized as powers of two, so as a memory saving measure you sometimes use the rect extension when available (so you don't need 2048x2048 buffer for a 1920x1080 texture.)
09:47<danielk22>MythUI should work with both, since rect textures are an optional extension.
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09:48<gbee>yeah, the code is there for both, I just didn't appreciate why
09:48<danielk22>FYI regular textures are also much faster...
09:48<gbee>thanks for that, I've been reading a few gl tutorials but I wasn't finding the answers I needed
09:48<gbee>so it's a speed/memory tradeoff
09:49<stuarta>graphics is a whole area i've never delved into
09:49<danielk22>And you often have very limited memory on a video card, so you need to be mindful of it.
10:01<gbee>ok, second clipping issue fixed and I feel stupid for not noticing it earlier
10:02*gbee blames Chutt =)
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11:16<gbee>stuarta: first card I've tried works and thankfully it also fixes the signal quality issue I was having with BBC HD
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11:30<stoth>hey, a question related to 192 byte ransport packets. Does myth tv take advantage of the timestamps in the extra 4 bytes?
11:30<stoth>or does it not support that at all? Or, does Linux not have any devices (including firewire) that deliver that?
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11:35<janneg>stoth: I don't think we support that and to my knowledge no device delivers them
11:38<stuarta>i'm still trying to work out which *transport* he's talking about
11:39<stuarta>bless you
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13:08<GreyFoxx>probably a "I'll give you details about crime A and people involved if you don't charge be over crime B
13:10<laga>GreyFoxx: ah, are you negotiating with the feds? ;)
13:11<GreyFoxx>Was meant for justinh in -users ;)
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13:43<scant>are there any ATSC/QAM PCI or USB devices that also do on-board analog MPEG-2 encoding that is compatible with linux?
13:46<gbee>no such thing exists, mostly because ATSC/QAM are digital and are broadcast in mpeg-2 (or AVC)
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13:58<sphery_>Anduin: since you seem to be doing Myth stuff, now (based on your post to the list) and since you seem to be the symbol visibility guy, I thought I'd mention I have a symbol visibility patch for trunk-post-lib changes. Still finishing the compile, but it seems there were only 2 missing MPUBLIC's. Preview at , will submit a ticket when compile finishes.
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13:58<sphery_>Just in case you're testing a compile, it may save you 10 seconds... :)
14:00<sphery_>So, the compile that was taking forever finishes 2 minutes after I mention the patch here...
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14:02<Anduin>sphery_: Yeah, I have it here, just been lazy about checking it in, wasn't really doing more than going through e-mail but I'll check it in soon (few minutes)
14:03<sphery_>Cool. Then I'll skip the ticket. Thanks.
14:05<Anduin>sphery_: Yeah, that is exactly the same as mine so when the compile is done it should work.
14:07<sphery_>Thanks. I was actually surprised it wasn't checked in, already, as you tend to fix these long before I get around to updating/rebuilding. I'll admit it's definitely not very high priority as most people don't seem to be using --enable-symbol-visibility, so I understand your taking your time to check it in.
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16:33<Chutt>the lack of detachability on QThreads is annoying
16:35<Chutt>oh, wait
16:35<Chutt> pthread_attr_setdetachstate(&attr, PTHREAD_CREATE_DETACHED);
16:35<Chutt>it creates all threads as detached =)
16:39<danielk22>hmmm, that could cause real problems if QThread doesn't use pthreads on other operating systems..
16:39<Chutt>win32 doesn't
16:40<Chutt>we don't actually create that many detached threads
16:40<danielk22>which ones are detached?
16:40<Chutt>the 3 lirc/joystik/appleremote threads (which just run forever)
16:41<Chutt>the delete thread in the backend (could easily be joined)
16:41<danielk22>maybe those could all be made joinable threads?
16:41<Chutt>pretty much all of em can, yeah.
16:41<danielk22>autoexpire definately can..
16:41<Chutt>especially since it sends a signal when it's closing
16:48<Chutt>mythsocket was easy to switch over
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16:55<Chutt>heh, crap
16:55<Chutt>i started converting the audio thread to qthread
16:56<Chutt>then remembered that alsa doesn't support my soundcard yet
16:56<sphery>danielk22: Any thoughts on changing the default playback profile group from CPU++ to Slim. (I think it's actually setting the default as the first value from the DB if none is set for the host, but I think explicitly using Slim would make things easier for many users configuring new systems.)
16:57<gbee>kinda ties in with the discussion we were just having in -users about adding OSS4 support
16:57<Chutt>well, there's an RC out there that supposedly supports it
16:57<Chutt>but i really don't want to mess around with compiling alsa
16:59<gbee>it's not too bad from memory, but still
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17:14<gbee>weird problem since upgrading my frontend, menu stays visible and in front of non-mythui screens & video
17:14<Chutt>none of that's changed
17:15<gbee>this is with -fixes so it's nothing that has changed in myth
17:15<Chutt>ah, ok =)
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17:19<andy_>eventually i got the tv window to show with fglrx, however the video looks very garbled and that a known problem? (mplayer's xv does work fine)
17:20<andy_>i also enabled the slim profile
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17:20<GreyFoxx>Did you mean to head to -users ?
17:21<andy_>GreyFoxx, sorry, i did
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17:21<danielk22>sphery: I don't think CPU++ is supposed to be the default. "Normal" was the intended default.
17:22<danielk22>there's even code for it in globalsettings.cpp lines 1386-1391
17:23<sphery>danielk22: I'll try to do some testing, again, but it seemed that code was broken and we ended up with first result being chosen.
17:24<sphery>I though Slim would be a better choice than Normal, mainly because of the 2x deint used for SDTV (which won't work with many configurations because of display refresh rates or whatever)
17:25<sphery>danielk22: Anyway, don't worry about it for now. I'll look into that code later and let you know what I find. (Probably a few weeks before I get a chance, though.)
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19:46<gbee>shadow on the background needs to be darker, but aside from that it's not turned out too bad
19:59<gbee>tempted to style all default images in that simple but not too ugly style
20:00<gbee>retains the grey background with white border which is used a fair bit in the existing default image
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20:32<Chutt>gbee, that looks pretty nice
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22:10<Chutt>could someone please test:
22:10<Chutt>since i don't have working audio at the moment..
22:10<Chutt>(against trunk)
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