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| 02:09 | <dreamor> | I'm just now setting up Myth, does anyone use the transmitted guide or does everyone use schedules direct? |
| 02:10 | <dreamor> | Sorry wrong channel |
| 02:10 | <dreamor> | Just noticed the heading |
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| 08:22 | <gbee> | Can we delete mfe/mfd yet? :) |
| 08:24 | <laga> | someone reported a bug against mythtv trunk in the ubuntu bug tracker. weird. |
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| 08:40 | <gbee> | feck, generictree is going to be a pig to convert to QT4 |
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| 09:02 | <anny__> | can MythBrowser (which i read was based on the KHTML layout engine) display shockwave objects? |
| 09:02 | <laga> | can anything on linux display shockwave objects? |
| 09:03 | <fred_basset> | you are having a giraffe |
| 09:04 | <fred_basset> | tbh it can't even do html well |
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| 09:04 | <fred_basset> | which is why it is deceased pending a complete rewrite |
| 09:04 | <Dibblah> | Is it Friday already? |
| 09:04 | <fred_basset> | yup |
| 09:04 | <fred_basset> | \o/ |
| 09:05 | <Dibblah> | Well bugger me sideways with a fishwife, it is. |
| 09:05 | <fred_basset> | you can keep your fishwife |
| 09:05 | <Dibblah> | anny__: MythBrowser is probably not going to be Flash / Java / ... capable in trunk, when it's reimplemented. |
| 09:06 | <Dibblah> | Since webkit doesn't do plugins that I can see. |
| 09:06 | <anny__> | laga: firefox is able to |
| 09:06 | <laga> | anny__: on linux? i doubt that |
| 09:06 | <fred_basset> | firefox != webkit |
| 09:07 | <Catbert> | Dibblah: doesn't webkit? I'm surprised. |
| 09:07 | <anny__> | well i'm not sure what u mean, but i can browse youtube in firefox |
| 09:07 | <laga> | that's not shockwave |
| 09:07 | <laga> | that's flash |
| 09:07 | <fred_basset> | someone only started rewriting it last week |
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| 09:07 | <anny__> | ah sorry |
| 09:07 | <Dibblah> | Whups - Didn't realise we're in #mythtv |
| 09:07 | <anny__> | i meant flash |
| 09:08 | <anny__> | can MythBrowser display flash |
| 09:08 | <Dibblah> | No. |
| 09:08 | <fred_basset> | mythbrowser is dead, deceased, it is an ex-parrot |
| 09:08 | <Dibblah> | anny__: And we should really stay in #mythtv-users unless you are developing a patch ;) |
| 09:09 | <Catbert> | who's working on mythbrowser? |
| 09:09 | <anny__> | sorry about that, but myth-usres don't seem to answer |
| 09:09 | <anny__> | so i tried here |
| 09:09 | * | janneg wonders when his isp thinks it would be a good idea to patch their dns-servers |
| 09:09 | <anny__> | anyway, one final question is there a browser plugin (based on gecko for ex) |
| 09:10 | <Catbert> | cant see your questions in #users..... everyone in here is also in users btw. |
| 09:10 | <Catbert> | janneg: ouch.... opendns time? |
| 09:10 | <Dibblah> | Okay, I lied. http://www.barisione.org/blog.html/p=128 - There are patches. |
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| 09:20 | <laga> | Cardoe: i'm not :) |
| 09:20 | <laga> | err, ivor. sorry. |
| 09:20 | <ivor> | laga: sorry. switched again. :) |
| 09:23 | <Cardoe> | Dibblah: anny__: I've brought this up before. If mythbrowser is going to come back in 0.22, it should just require qt 4.4 and use webkit |
| 09:24 | <Dibblah> | Cardoe: See the discussion that happened not that long ago. |
| 09:24 | <fred_basset> | Cardoe: that started last week |
| 09:25 | <Dibblah> | "I'm fine with adding a dependency on Qt4.4. I think the benefits of having a webbrowser widget in mythui vastly outweigh the downside of a few distros without packages." - Isaac. |
| 09:26 | <ivor> | are there any thoughts/attempt to make the browser more remote friendly than just an embedded web widget? |
| 09:26 | <laga> | someone mentioned that it would be possible to disable mythbrowser if qt < 4.4 was found. that'd be a good idea |
| 09:26 | <fred_basset> | can you say "design phase" |
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| 09:26 | <ivor> | laga: agreed. |
| 09:26 | <fred_basset> | laga: that was me :) |
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| 09:26 | <ivor> | fred_basset: no, usually I just blunder ahead and hack away actually. |
| 09:26 | <laga> | because i really would like to see 0.22 backported to ubuntu hardy :) |
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| 09:27 | <stuarta> | what i meant was the new mythbrowser is only just being conceptualized so input at this stage might be welcomed |
| 09:27 | <gbee> | Cardoe: it will |
| 09:28 | <stuarta> | gbee: post turn up? |
| 09:28 | <ivor> | stuarta: ah. ic. I have ideas then. :) |
| 09:28 | <gbee> | nope :( |
| 09:28 | <stuarta> | :( |
| 09:28 | * | stuarta shoots royal mail |
| 09:28 | <gbee> | webkit does support the netscape plugin API apparently, at least the Apple version |
| 09:29 | <stuarta> | well that's a start |
| 09:30 | <Dibblah> | gbee: Only very recently. |
| 09:30 | <gbee> | ahh, ok, just read on a trolltech blog that it's missing from 4.4 but will be restored in 4.5 |
| 09:31 | <ivor> | the reaktivate plugin for konqueror was quite a cute/neat/working-ish idea. |
| 09:31 | <ivor> | wonder what happened ti it. |
| 09:32 | <ivor> | used wine to run windows plugins inside konq on linux. |
| 09:32 | <gbee> | ivor: the plan is definately to make mythbrowser more remote and TV friendly, or at least that would be my plan but I don't know what Paul has planned |
| 09:33 | <ivor> | who's paul? is he starting the mythbrowser work? (I really should catch up with the mailing lists) |
| 09:33 | <stuarta> | don't think he's in here much |
| 09:33 | <gbee> | Paul Harrison, he's announced his intention to work on mythbrowser using webkit and mythui |
| 09:34 | <gbee> | I've never seen him in IRC, which is a shame |
| 09:36 | <ivor> | ok found the thread in mythdev. jul17th so I guess nothing actually happening yet. |
| 09:36 | <stuarta> | pretty much |
| 09:36 | <ivor> | I'm on qt4.4 though so I don't mind prodding about. |
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| 09:37 | <ivor> | always the trouble with choosing against gecko though isn't there... since all the queries will come in about various plugins not being available or working. |
| 09:44 | <gbee> | if you want to integrate gecko as tightly as we can webkit (qt4) then I'm sure no-one is going to complain, especially if the engine is switchable - but that means abstracting it much like we do with the painters |
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| 09:45 | <ivor> | didn't say I wanted to. :) I hate the gecko rendering engine. khtml rules. it was just an opinion. |
| 09:45 | <gbee> | fact is that we can't and shouldn't treat mythbrowser like a desktop browser, it's not and never will be the same thing - the uses for a TV based (10ft UI) and remote controlled browser just aren't going to be the same |
| 09:46 | <ivor> | gbee: indeedey. and the trouble is making sure that any widget lets you have full control of how you interract with it. |
| 09:46 | <gbee> | yup |
| 09:47 | <ivor> | I've been impressed with using the latest opera mobile browser. lots of ideas for limited input navigation there. |
| 09:47 | <gbee> | shame that khtml and webkit aren't going to converge |
| 09:48 | <hads> | tis |
| 09:48 | <gbee> | I can understand some of the reasons though |
| 09:49 | <ivor> | different goals. not sure what the current khtml plan/direction is. haven't talked to anyone about it for ages. |
| 09:55 | <gbee> | in terms of browsers I can see where everyone would have different ideas, but a layout engine would seem to be the one place where having fewer would be an improvement |
| 09:55 | <gbee> | but I'm not the expert, you are, so my opinion doesn't really have much value ;) |
| 09:57 | <ivor> | indeed, that would be the sensible option... but if you've ever looked at the gecko code, you might have doubts about using that as the base for a common one. :) khtml was chosen by apple for a reason, but they needed to have full control of the source for their "ends", which was a shame. |
| 10:00 | <ivor> | should be able to make a nice mythbrowser interface off qt4.4 though. (just browsing the qt4 ref atm) |
| 10:01 | <ivor> | quite hookable |
| 10:03 | <ivor> | oooh, I've got an idea..... that's the weekend sorted then. :) |
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| 11:19 | <andycas> | Is there a online radio stream plugin for mythtv? |
| 11:19 | <laga> | andycas: /topic |
| 11:19 | <andycas> | oops, sorry :) |
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| 12:46 | <gbee> | agh, qSort is a pain |
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| 13:07 | <danielk22> | gbee: just use the STL sort function.. |
| 13:07 | <danielk22> | stable_sort() is quick and allows for duplicate keys |
| 13:17 | <gbee> | more a matter of scope right now, the sort function used in GenericTree uses member variables, so can't be static |
| 13:18 | <gbee> | they used to use QPtrList::sort() where the compare function was just a member of the list |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | danielk22, hah, you may think you're done, but try removing qt3support from the .pro =) |
| 13:19 | <gbee> | ahh, he's converted GenericTree |
| 13:19 | * | gbee goes to take a look |
| 13:19 | * | gbee ignores the wasted effort of the last couple of hours |
| 13:20 | <danielk22> | chutt: I know, a lot of things are pulled in from libmyth |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | no |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | i'm talkin 'bout the qt3 support member functions/defines/etc |
| 13:20 | <danielk22> | oh, you mean the extra methods |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:21 | <gbee> | or not |
| 13:21 | <danielk22> | yeah, I did try it.. but there was so much static from things in libmyth which will hopefully be replaced by mythui that I left it be. |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | there's _lots_ :( |
| 13:22 | <danielk22> | yeah, once we get rid of the Qt3 classes we can start worrying about the methods,defines,etc. :P |
| 13:22 | <gbee> | danielk22: which is just one reason I was glad that I was copying GenericTree and not moving it, I can ignore everything in the plugins and libmyth |
| 13:23 | <gbee> | I've got it converted to qt4 except for the sorting |
| 13:23 | <danielk22> | gbee: I only patched GenericTree where needed for the libmythtv conversion.. libmyth needs individual attention... |
| 13:23 | <gbee> | I'm tempted to just drop the attribute sorting |
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| 13:45 | <gbee> | is it time to drop mfd/mfe? Doesn't seem much point porting them to mythui |
| 13:50 | <gbee> | nevermind, I forgot they aren't in built by default anyway so it doesn't prevent me removing old ui code |
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| 14:04 | <CDev-m> | gbee: have you looked at QtAlgorithms qSort? |
| 14:04 | <gbee> | CDev-m: that's what I was using, but it requires a static sort function, unless I'm missing some trick |
| 14:05 | <gbee> | which is entirely possible, hence why I've just commented it out for now so I can go back after I've had the chance to think it through |
| 14:07 | <gbee> | see the top of MythGenericTree |
| 14:07 | <CDev-m> | the static method shouldn't be a problem. and it should be fairly small. |
| 14:08 | <CDev-m> | on my phone. slow typing :( |
| 14:13 | <CDev-m> | doesn't look too bad, I'd just have a static method per sort-type and call qSort with the appropriate one. |
| 14:14 | <CDev-m> | sounds like you know what to do... don't need me giving you advise |
| 14:24 | <gbee> | it's not the sort-types which are the issue, it's the attribute sort - we sort based on an arbitary value from the m_attributes list, to do that we need to pass in the index of the value |
| 14:25 | <gbee> | mythmusic for example uses six attributes (ints) to define different ordering, by album, by artist, random, intelligent etc |
| 14:27 | <gbee> | each value is calculated once on the initial database load and assigned to each node (track) |
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| 14:28 | <gbee> | I'm not fond of the current stuff in mythmusic, so this could be an excuse to change things |
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| 15:14 | <gbee> | not just scrolling which is broken in the QT widgets with 4.4, some buttons/dialogs aren't working at all |
| 15:16 | <gbee> | hmm, they are working, but some of the "Don't Record", "Never Record" stuff isn't so it just looks like they aren't doing anything |
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| 15:24 | <danielk22> | FYI Editable Comboboxes are also broken after the port. Whatever text you enter is ignored and one of the default values is used instead. |
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| 16:26 | <danielk22> | Ref #5512. Anyone know if the "in.data()" call is really needed, are we relying on some side effect? |
| 16:32 | <janneg> | danielk22: unlikely, it's probably just copied from quotedPrintableEncode |
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| 16:33 | <janneg> | and I doubt the QByteArray::data() has side-effects |
| 16:40 | <gbee> | QByteArray has base64 support in QT4, is that part of qCodec still required? |
| 16:42 | <gbee> | I'm not sure which bits of qcodec we're actually using |
| 16:45 | <janneg> | gbee: base64 != quoted printable |
| 16:46 | <gbee> | janneg: so we're using the quoted printable stuff then ... ;) |
| 16:46 | <janneg> | I don't know |
| 16:47 | <gbee> | I was just looking at qcodec in general, wondering if it's even required with QT4 - but it was just an idle question, feel free to ignore me ;) |
| 16:50 | <janneg> | the only used function seems to be QCodecs::base64Encode(), so your question is valid |
| 16:54 | <gbee> | lucky guess, it seemed the most likely |
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| 19:18 | <gbee> | Anduin: err, sorry? |
| 19:38 | <xris> | hah. so I apparently *did* go to OSCON.. at least, a picture of me did: http://www.gizmobile.com/m/?id=g7gyj4lohb |
| 19:49 | <Anduin> | gbee: huh? Oh, xmlparse.cpp I assume, meh, can't stop progress because I refuse to let things die (and won't check them in) |
| 19:49 | <gbee> | heh, and a guy with no legs |
| 19:51 | <gbee> | Anduin: figured you didn't mean anything particular by it, just coincided with my changes so ... :) |
| 19:52 | <gbee> | I don't _have_ to start deleting stuff from libmyth yet, but it's cathartic |
| 19:54 | <gbee> | plus I figure that it might stop people using the old code instead of making the effort to convert to mythui instead, thus making my job a little easier |
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| 20:30 | <iamlindoro> | Mmmm... I think the QfG II remake is coming out this weekend |
| 20:30 | <iamlindoro> | gah, wrong channel, sorry |
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