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04:03<Noldo>I wish there me and my son lived in different timelines
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07:27<yorick>I can't find any hightmaps of holland :(
07:28<@peter1138>that one'll be binary
07:29<yorick>and if I would find one, I need to make the polders myself :(
07:29<Tefad>holland, haha
07:29<Tefad>just take a political map and use that
07:31*yorick downloads google earth
07:32<keyweed>a friend of mine made one... *searches*
07:32<Tefad>if anyone wants mid atlantic US, i made one
07:32<Tefad>turned out rather well imho : )
07:33<Tefad>(decent mountains)
07:33<Tefad>i've yet to add rivers
07:35<keyweed>the friend is coming here to personally deliver the heightmap :/
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07:36<Dutch>wou iemand heightmap van nl maken?
07:36<Dutch>moet je ff een kaart van nl vinden... en dan mee kloten monochroom maken enzo
07:38<keyweed>Dutch: english dude :)
07:38<Dutch>ah sorry :p
07:38<keyweed>we haven't conquered the world ... yet.
07:38<Dutch>we would have... damn english folks
07:39<yorick>new Amsterdam was so much better than suriname
07:39<Dutch>new amsterdam was so much better then new york ;)
07:39<yorick>remove the ;)
07:40<Dutch>I can't! damn diabolical multiplayer notepad.
07:43<@peter1138>Why is 'than' -> 'then' so common for non-native English speakers?
07:44<yorick>its the same work
07:44<yorick>it both translates as "dan"
07:44<Dutch>it sounds the same
07:44<@peter1138>Not in English.
07:45<Dutch>Fine, you win!
07:45<keyweed>in Dutch we have just one word for both meanings.
07:45<yorick>that's what I said
07:45<keyweed>Speaking several different languages on several different channels also complicates matters.
07:46<@peter1138>That's why you should all speak English only ;)
07:46<keyweed>native english speakers always seem to think so
07:46<yorick>the other way around!
07:46<keyweed>a lot of dutch people think everyone should speak dutch
07:48<keyweed>personally i think esperanto is the way to go, but I'm affraid few people would agree.
07:49<Dutch>ffs, leet speak.
07:49<keyweed>a democratic solution wouldn't be very good either, we'd all need to learn Chinese then
07:49<yorick>I'm already doing so
07:50<keyweed>impressive. don't think i could if my life depended on it...
07:56<TinoDidriksen>If you must use an artificially constructed language, Klingon is the way to go.
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08:43<keyweed>welcome back
08:43<Yorick>microdem gives some mamory allocation error
08:48<Yorick>and the windows version of gdal misses
08:49<CIA-3>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r11981 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
08:49<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix [FS#1698]: Use unicode glyph mapping to fix up missing/shuffled sprites in original data files instead of shuffling or skipping
08:49<CIA-3>OpenTTD: sprites directly. Some required glyphs were not loaded.
08:49<CIA-3>OpenTTD: -Fix: Large capital U with grave (?\195?\153) along with some other glyphs are broken in the original data files, so do no display them.
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08:54<CIA-3>OpenTTD: frosch * r11982 /trunk/src/oldloader.cpp: -Revert (r8738): Now we have shores in corners. No need to remove them from TTDP games.
08:55<Yorick>committing goes well
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09:03<@peter1138>yeah, all these reverts...
09:05<SmatZ>no problem to make 11900 reverts to be back on revision 1
09:05<frosch123>I will not write that commit message!
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09:08<Yorick>ok, holland is the worst country to mae a heightmap of
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09:08<Yorick>even if it was only because of it being below sea
09:08<@Belugas>try Vatican :P
09:08<@Belugas>or Luxemburg
09:08<@peter1138>heh, you need that sealevel patch
09:09<Yorick>anything that is above sea
09:09<Yorick>yes, any smaller?
09:09<@peter1138>monaco? heh
09:09<frosch123>Liechtenstein, San Marino
09:09<Yorick>it would be nice to make 2048x2048 from it...
09:09<frosch123>are that all?
09:10<frosch123>Jasper would like Monaco :)
09:11<Yorick>I'm learning squirrel for noAI, I like it :)
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09:13<Yorick>but can it write files, too?
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09:17<@Belugas>and serve coffee?
09:17<@Belugas>that would be nifty!
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09:22<Yorick>I only want to try a self-learning AI
09:22<Yorick>but that cant be done without files
09:24<+glx>it may need a wrapper for that
09:25<Yorick>I can write numbers to files
09:25<SmatZ>night roboboy
09:25<Yorick>and convert numbers to chars
09:25<Yorick>but I can't convert chars to integers :(
09:26<SmatZ>hmmm AI as newgrf
09:27<+glx>no way SmatZ
09:28<Yorick>well there are air traffic controllers as newgrf :-)
09:28<Yorick>aka FSM
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09:29<+glx>it's not air, it is on ground
09:29<Yorick>you know the meaning :)
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09:30<+glx>FSM is not a problem for newgrf, the flow is clear
09:30<+glx>usings loops is not the same
09:31<hylje>flying spaghetti monster
09:31*Yorick knows ;)
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09:34<Yorick>I'm no developer
09:34<@Belugas>good point
09:34<@Belugas>my point
09:34*orudge` points his finger at bl
09:34<@orudge`>Belugas, even
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09:37<Yorick>I think AIwriting could be done with callback every tick
09:37*Yorick thinks wrong way
09:40<Yorick>I want them to have an IRC channel
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09:43<Gonozal_VIII>he was joking all the time, obviosly he wouldn't assign any ai programming to a bot :P
09:43*Noldo assigns noTestAI to Yorick
09:44<Yorick>stop assigning me Ai's
09:44<Yorick>I'm one too!
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09:46*Belugas assigns yorick to yorick
09:46<Yorick>I can't be assigned to myself
09:47<Noldo>x = x is completely valid
09:47<Gonozal_VIII>just let yorick play in every game instead of the game ai, maybe he is a little better sometimes :-)
09:48<Yorick>stop highlighting me!
09:48<Gonozal_VIII>i'm not highlighting you yorick!
09:48<keyweed>wait for it.
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09:48<Gonozal_VIII>why would i do that yorick?
09:48*keyweed pokes Yorick
09:48*Belugas highlights Yorick
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09:57<+glx>Yorick: it is indeed only 1 hl ;)
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10:08<Yorick>g2g, bye!
10:08<@Belugas>bye Yorick
10:08<@Belugas>see you Yorick
10:08<@Belugas>be back soon Yorick
10:08<Yorick>bye belugas
10:08*Belugas hugs Yorick
10:08<Yorick>cya belugas
10:09*keyweed kisses Yorick
10:09<Yorick>I hope I will se ou again soon belugas
10:09*Yorick kisses Keyweed back
10:09<@Belugas>i guess i have no choice on this one ;)
10:09<Yorick>goodbye everyone, including belugas!
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10:12<@Belugas>about time... i was about to cry :P
10:12<@Belugas>i hate departures
10:12<@Belugas>they always make me feel sad
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10:48<CIA-3>OpenTTD: frosch * r11983 /trunk/src/ (11 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: Add some helper functions for slopes and use them.
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11:52<@Bjarni>any news?
11:53<SmatZ>CIA-3: wakeup!
11:53<SmatZ>hello Bjarni
11:53*Bjarni kicks CIA-3
11:53*glx kicks CIA-3
11:53*Eddi|zuHause3 kicks CIA-3
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11:54*Bjarni eats CIA-3
11:54*CIA-3 tastes crunchy
11:54*Bjarni punches CIA-3
11:54<Sven_M>Love the game.. (and the original) so I'm kind of interested in where it's going.. but um.. between your wiki and forums, it's kind of hard to get the 'big picture'..
11:54*glx slaps CIA-3
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11:54<Sven_M>Basically.. what's up? :)
11:54<@Bjarni>Sven_M: basically.... who knows? :)
11:54<Sven_M>Bjarni, Like most FOSS projects then ;)
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11:55<SmatZ>Sven_M: there is some update now and then...
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11:55<@Bjarni>we had a roadmap and assigned stuff to people and then those people left
11:55<@Bjarni>making the roadmap useless
11:55<Sven_M>Seems to be so much going on at once.. replacing 8bpp graphics, 32bpp development and rendered graphics, etc..
11:56<SmatZ>hello anhedral
11:56<@Bjarni>dih: I did as I promised. Now it's your turn to hold up the bargain
11:56<dih>more details please?
11:56<@Bjarni>are you weaselling out of it?
11:57<@Bjarni>it would be so like you
11:57<@Bjarni>basically I changed the path thingie and then you said that you would write documentation on it
11:57<dih>if you remind me a little more, i have a chance of remembering :-)
11:57<dih>i will
11:57<@Bjarni>so start writing
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11:58<dih>you'll have finished docs by sat late afternoon :-)
11:58<@Bjarni>we need a new readme for OSX due to this so it's actually holding back 0.6.0 :s
11:58<@Bjarni>(not as the only thing though)
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11:59<@Belugas>Sven_M: it's a bit hard to say what's going to happen next.
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11:59<@Belugas>it's not very much a detailled planned way ahead project
11:59<Eddi|zuHause3>PBS is going to happen next! :p
11:59<Yorick>what is being talked about?
11:59<@Bjarni>Sven_M: imagined it this way. We got a great crystal ball where we can see everything about the project
12:00<@Belugas>indeed, Eddi|zuHause3, as soon as you finish coding it ;)
12:00<@Bjarni>except it's only working backwards in time
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12:00<@Bjarni>and it's called svn
12:00<Sven_M>Bjarni, haha
12:00<@Bjarni>Yorick: future plans for OpenTTD
12:00<@Bjarni>the big picture on a long time scale
12:01<@Bjarni>[17:55:25] <Bjarni> we had a roadmap and assigned stuff to people and then those people left
12:01<@Bjarni>[17:55:29] <Bjarni> making the roadmap useless
12:01<@Bjarni>that's basically what there is to say about it
12:01<Yorick>truelight :(
12:01<@Bjarni>actually I was thinking about other people
12:01<@Bjarni>but yes him too
12:02<@Bjarni>looks like I'm going to be unique
12:02<Eddi|zuHause3>you don't exactly have any means to keep people here against their will
12:02<@Bjarni>became a developer really early and sticking to it
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12:02<@Belugas>gran'pa Bjarni
12:03<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause3: yeah... some people get really upset when I use mind control so I stopped
12:03*orudge` has been here since the beginning, and has remained consistantly vaguely-semi-active-ish :p
12:03<@Belugas>gran'pa orudge
12:03<@Bjarni>orudge: right
12:03<@Bjarni>I make more commits than you
12:03<Eddi|zuHause3>that's called "idling" ;)
12:03<@Belugas>more bugs too!
12:03<@orudge`>Eddi|zuHause3: well, I make the odd commit now and then
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12:04<@orudge`>indeed, I should upload my new sound engine to flyspray
12:04<@Bjarni>everybody notice what I commit
12:04<@orudge`>shall have to do that when back in the UK
12:04<@orudge`>I could just outright commit it, but other devs may not appreciate that ;)
12:04<Prof_Frink>Bjarni: Remember that orudge` has a universe to run
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12:04<@Bjarni>me too
12:05<@Bjarni>bbl there is a woman calling for me
12:06<@Belugas>your mom? ;)
12:06<@Belugas>sorry...could not resist :D
12:06<SmatZ>women and girlfriends (men and boyfriends) - the most delaying thing for OTTD developers :-p
12:06<SmatZ>and work
12:06<SmatZ>or school
12:06<@Belugas>and kids!
12:06<@Belugas>and kitty :S
12:06<Eddi|zuHause3>and days! ;)
12:06<@Belugas>and lack of sleep
12:06<Sacro>SmatZ: do you often get delayed by boyfreinds?
12:06<SmatZ>sleeping is boring too
12:07<@Belugas>and lack of a c++ compiler at work :P
12:07<SmatZ>Sacro: no... maybe with friends, but not too often
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12:12<Sven_M>So, is there like a fork planned for the 32bpp stuff, or? Seems to me that at some point, you've got to break compatibility with the original game..?
12:12<Sven_M>Regarding .grf files and such.
12:12<Yorick>someone is making zoom for it
12:13<@Belugas>32bpp is already in trunk
12:13<@Belugas>and on betas too
12:13<@Belugas>and a fork would be out of the question, even if it ws not in
12:13<@Belugas>a branch, maybe, but not a fork :)
12:14<Sacro>what about a spoon?
12:15*Sacro spoons with Bjarni
12:15<Sven_M>I see.. well, not quite.
12:15<SmatZ>Sacro: There is no spoon
12:15<Sven_M>I mean if it's already in trunk then a fork for 32bpp would be out of the question of course, but in general?
12:16<@Belugas>hem... i do not understand yuor question
12:17<@peter1138>well, forks are generally not planned by the developers
12:17<@peter1138>i'm waiting for sirkoz and bilbo to make their own fork, though...
12:17<Sven_M>peter1138, Well.. 'branch' then..
12:18<Sven_M>Belugas, Well, I guess the question was on breaking backwards-compatibility, etc..
12:18<@peter1138>i'd like to say that'll never happen
12:18<@peter1138>but it has
12:18<@peter1138>so never mind :o
12:19<SmatZ>peter1138: it has happened?
12:19<@peter1138>compulsory extra shores
12:19<@peter1138>it's still compatible but things change
12:19<@peter1138>progress :D
12:19<Sven_M>Well, I guess my point is that some stuff, like the .grf files, seem too kludgy to be kept in the long run?
12:20<Sven_M>peter1138.. hmm? :)
12:20<SmatZ>I think there will never be dropped support for current newgrfs
12:21<SmatZ>like OTTD is able to load all TTD and OTTD 0.1.1 savegames :)
12:22<@Belugas>32bpp, without or with original grf files, all are kept as user options
12:22<SmatZ>not all TTDP though
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12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>well, it can load them, but they don't always keep their original semantics
12:24<Eddi|zuHause3>e.g. german town names
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12:39<Greyscale>wrong button
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12:44<Eddi|zuHause3>hmm... weird... the autoreplaced BR 110 (from a V 200) got a different livery than the manually built BR 110
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12:46<Eddi|zuHause3>hmm... it's some kind of livery override gone wrong...
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13:13<CIA-3>OpenTTD: belugas * r11985 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Feature[FS#1697, newGRF]: Implement var 8F(random bits) during callback 28 (Industry location permissibility)
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13:37<@Bjarni> <Belugas> your mom? ;) <-- you are such a mean bastard
13:37<@Bjarni>the fact that you were right is besides the point :P
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13:40<@Belugas>sorry, Bjarni :) it was really a joke :D
13:40<Sacro>Bjarni really is a joke
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13:42<Draakon>my phone sucks
13:42<Sacro>Draakon: so does Bjarni
13:42<Sacro>like a hoover
13:42-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Sacro@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
13:42<Chrill>lulz no
13:42<Chrill>mah Sacro mustn't be +b
13:43<Draakon>my phone does not support S60 :(
13:43-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Sacro@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
13:43<@Bjarni>Sacro: now you are in dept to Chrill
13:43<@Belugas>lol !!
13:43<@Bjarni>and who knows what he wants you to do to pay up
13:43<Sacro>Bjarni: i don't think dept is what you mean
13:44<@Bjarni>you owe him one
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13:44<Sacro>debt :p
13:44<@Bjarni>a favour
13:44<Sacro>alas poor yorick!
13:44<Chrill>Sacro is in debt :D
13:44<murray>like, a blowjob?
13:44<Sacro>I knew him horatio, a man of infinate wisdom
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13:44<Chrill>No blowjobs
13:44<Sacro>Chrill: not what you said last night
13:44<Chrill>Bjarni, ban him again
13:44<murray>maybe it wasn't good enough last night
13:44<Chrill>he's better off silent
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13:45-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*Sacro@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by Bjarni
13:45<Chrill>that's what he gets for not thanking me
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13:46<@Bjarni>in this channel we walk nice to each other
13:46<@Bjarni>and do what we have to do
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13:46*Chrill walks nicely
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13:46<@Bjarni>maybe Sacro wants to be able to continue to be able to do that too
13:47*SmatZ enjoyed this
13:47<Chrill>Bjarni, stop using so many.. words
13:47-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!*Sacro@*.karoo.KCOM.COM] by peter1138
13:47<Chrill>sort of
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13:48<Sacro>it kills wolf01
13:48-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!~drguildo@*] by peter1138
13:48<SmatZ>there were 103 clients before wolf01 left
13:49<@Bjarni>SmatZ: that's likely the most useless info I have seen all day
13:49*yorick is now using the auto-identify using SSL feature of the OFTC net :)
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13:49<@Bjarni>and I turned on the TV when the news were supposed to start
13:50<@Bjarni>and it showed commercials >_<
13:50<SmatZ>Bjarni: I have never seen as many people here
13:50<@Bjarni>I have
13:50<SmatZ>I haven't
13:50<Chrill>I have
13:50<@Bjarni>it would appear so
13:50<yorick>103 User(s)
13:50<murray>we all have
13:50<@Bjarni>we should invite some more people
13:51*murray invites Guybrush
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13:51<@Bjarni>I want to more peons in my kingdom
13:51<SmatZ>bad Jeroen
13:51<Chrill>I has invited someone :O
13:52<@Bjarni>--- someone :No such nick/channel
13:52-!-Chrill is now known as Someone
13:52*Someone here is gay
13:52*Bjarni slaps Someone
13:52*peter1138 wonders if bjarni has any ideas for a quick fs1264 fix
13:52-!-Someone is now known as Everyone
13:52*Everyone has aids
13:52*yorick instructs a pet piranha to munch on Everyone's shoulder blades
13:52-!-Everyone is now known as Chrill
13:52*yorick finds the closest large object and gives Chrill a slap with it
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13:52<Chrill>yorick, hands off my penis
13:53<SmatZ>peter1138: place replaced vehicles into new consist, then put them into old consist?
13:54<murray>respect the penis
13:54<murray>remember kids, the more bans you have on irc, the bigger your e-penis is
13:54<Draakon>is there a know port for mobile phones?
13:54<yorick>there is for DS
13:54<@Belugas>SmatZ, you mean like a pigeon system?
13:54<@Belugas>a temporary unit?
13:54<yorick>and for PocketPC
13:55<Draakon>i dont want for DS and PocketPC
13:55<yorick>if someone makes a java port...
13:55<Draakon>as i dont have them
13:55<yorick>I have both :Y
13:56<yorick>Draakon: are you going to make a java port?
13:56<SmatZ>Belugas: probably - if the problem is with two DMUs in one consist, place them temporaly to different consist until the train is whole replaced
13:56<Draakon>yorick: no, i dont know java and c++
13:56<yorick>learn it
13:57<@Belugas>what do you think of the idea,Bjarni?
13:57<yorick>"If you want something to be done, do it yourself or it will never been done", Draakon
13:57<@Bjarni>* peter1138 wonders if bjarni has any ideas for a quick fs1264 fix <-- I have a solution to it but there is no way that I can make it in time for 0.6.0
13:58<@Bjarni>well... basically what SmatZ said but it's not compatible with the current approach
13:58<Draakon>yorick: i am too busy and lazy to learn them
13:58<@Bjarni>so I will have to modify to allow for this
13:58<@Bjarni>which will need some coding and testing time
13:58<yorick>ok, it will never be done
13:59<@Bjarni>I have a big plan on how to solve this
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13:59<@Bjarni>started on it
13:59<Draakon>yorick: it will be done
13:59<@peter1138>your big plans worry me :o
13:59<@Bjarni>then some commits made while I worked on it broke my working copy
13:59<yorick>I don't believe ANYone is willing to make a java port
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13:59<@Bjarni>yorick: you want to get kicked?
14:00<Draakon>yorick: its your opinion
14:00<@Bjarni>you mentioned the J word >_<
14:00<Draakon>but it will be done
14:00<Draakon>may it be year 3000
14:00<@Belugas>[14:04] <@Bjarni> then some commits made while I worked on it broke my working copy <--- you jusst don't know how many commits broke my newgrindustry repo ;)
14:00<yorick>draakon asked if there was any ports for mobile phone
14:01<@peter1138>there are
14:01<@Belugas>[14:04] <yorick> I don't believe ANYone is willing to make a java port <--- interested would be more accurate
14:01<@Bjarni>but I guess that nobody removed the file you worked in
14:01<SmatZ>yorick: yeah, yesterday I just saw some upgraded symbian patch on tt-forums
14:01<@Belugas>agreed Bjarni. but that is just a split :)
14:01<@Belugas>easy to trace ;)
14:01<Draakon>my phone does not support symbian, so thats why i asked what i asked
14:01<@Bjarni>I know
14:01<@peter1138>not if you don't keep diffs of your changes
14:02<@peter1138>and it deletes them all :)
14:02<@Bjarni>so when 0.6.0 is done I will reuse most of my code on an updated trunk
14:02<Draakon>is there any way to get symbian on W550i?
14:03<@Bjarni>basically I didn't dare to update the working copy to the revision that deletes the file
14:03<SmatZ>I would like to have OTTD on my ME45, too ;-)
14:03<@Bjarni>I will move the whole thing into a different checkout instead
14:03<Draakon> is only know phone port(java) but its not free
14:04<@Bjarni>Draakon: it's not OpenTTD either
14:04<Draakon>it is similar to TTD
14:04<@peter1138>you'll have to buy an S60 phone
14:04<@peter1138>the reason it runs on them is that they have enough power
14:05<Draakon>error, cant buy S60 phone... not enough money
14:05<@Bjarni>I don't plan on playing on any handheld device... too small screen
14:05<@Bjarni>Draakon: cheat menu->click on the money button
14:05<Draakon>is there such thing in real life?
14:06<yorick>its called "working"
14:06<Draakon>working isnt cheating
14:06<@peter1138>Bjarni, my phone/pda has a 640x480 display
14:06<@Bjarni>but the tax guys will remember it for all eternity
14:06<@peter1138>shame it run windows mobile 5 and is shit
14:06<@Bjarni>peter1138: windows....
14:06<yorick>you can cheat at working
14:07<SmatZ>Draakon: start a company borrow a lot of money, then sell the company to some dumb people... happened here a lot of time
14:07<@Bjarni>you can show up and get a stamp for showing up and then you can leave and show up later to get a timestamp for leaving
14:07<@Bjarni>and the system will tell that you were present all day
14:07<SmatZ>(sadly, most of those dumb people were later found dead or not found at all)
14:07<@Bjarni>however I don't think this strategy works on a daily basis
14:07<SmatZ>*many times
14:07<Draakon>SmatZ: how it is possible for under 18 year people?
14:08<@Bjarni>Draakon: you are making this complicated
14:08<Draakon>ah NVM!
14:11<yorick>go make websites
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14:12*Belugas forgot he has earphones
14:12<@Belugas>good defense against colleagues
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14:14<Prof_Frink>Belugas: An M24x150 bolt is an even better defence
14:14<Gonozal_VIII>3^3 ~ 33
14:15<Gonozal_VIII>i'm back :-)
14:15<@Belugas>best defense ever : /ignore
14:15<Gonozal_VIII>be happy
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14:16<Eddi|zuHause3>attack is the best defense :p
14:16<Prof_Frink>Belugas: Unfortunately that feature hasn't been ported from irc to irl yet.
14:16<Eddi|zuHause3>annoy collegues yourself :p
14:16<@peter1138>/ignore *!
14:16<Prof_Frink>Eddi|zuHause3: No, attack is the second-best defence.
14:17<Prof_Frink>"Attack with a flamethrower" is the best.
14:17<@peter1138>boot to the head!
14:17<blathijs>Tai Kwon Leap ftw!
14:17<Gonozal_VIII>6 dimensional force fields are best :-)
14:20<Gonozal_VIII>not like those old crappy 5 dimensional ones, those could be blown up with only several hundred gigatonne bombs
14:20<Prof_Frink>Gonozal_VIII: Or just send them back in time to live out their life there.
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14:21<Gonozal_VIII>and let them kill your grandparents? :O
14:21<Gonozal_VIII>that would destroy the universe!
14:21<Prof_Frink>send them back in time... and to Australia.
14:22<Gonozal_VIII>oh... australia is ok i guess
14:22<Gonozal_VIII>never had any influence anywhere
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14:23<Eddi|zuHause3>australia, the land of the convicted criminals and annoying collegues
14:23*Belugas though that was canada :S
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14:24*planetmaker thinks it's a shame give criminals such nice countries ;)
14:25<planetmaker>g' day by the way :)
14:25*Prof_Frink thinks it's a shame The French have such a nice country
14:26<Gonozal_VIII>and can't even see it with their noses up in the sky
14:26<@Belugas>Prof_Frink is not friendly...
14:26<@Belugas>nor Gonozal_VIII...
14:26*Prof_Frink thinks it's a shame we gave away such nice countries ;)
14:27<SmatZ>hmm... reading news ... one man almost killed another because of new sofa
14:27*planetmaker thinks the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence... :D
14:28<Eddi|zuHause3>canada is great, they invented little mosque on the prairie ;)
14:28<Prof_Frink>liz@buckspal:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/empire restart
14:28<planetmaker>sudo /etc/init.d/history restart --no-war --no-envy
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14:29<Prof_Frink>User planetmaker is not in sudoers. This has been logged.
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14:31<planetmaker>cat /var/log/messages | grep 'Prof_Fink'
14:31<SmatZ>users do not have access to /var/log/messages
14:31*Sacro hands planetmaker an award for "Pointless use of cat"
14:32<Gonozal_VIII>i like cats :-)
14:32<SmatZ>dog /var/log/users/Prof_Frink
14:32<Eddi|zuHause3>it's you!!
14:32<Andel>I couldn't eat a whole cat though
14:32<planetmaker>that's why nothing followed the cat :)
14:32<SmatZ>lol @ Andel
14:34<Gonozal_VIII>all your cat are belong to us :-)
14:34<Prof_Frink>What you say?
14:34<Eddi|zuHause3>took you long enough!
14:34<Gonozal_VIII>was afk taking the dishes to the sink :P
14:35<Andel>we used no dishes tonight
14:35<Eddi|zuHause3>sink? we modern people in germany have dishwashers
14:35<Andel>for we had pizza
14:35<Gonozal_VIII>i did!
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14:35<Andel>and i'm still in bed ill
14:35<Gonozal_VIII>dishwasher is broken :-(
14:35<Andel>we might get a dishwasher when we move
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14:36<planetmaker>sudo cat /var/log/messages | grep 'empire'
14:36<planetmaker>crashdump[3613]: empire crashed
14:36<Gonozal_VIII>and it's one of those strange small 45cm ones, can't even replace it with a normal 60cm
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14:40<fjb>I'm having a kind of a problem with transfer oders.
14:41<Gonozal_VIII>they don't work both ways :-)
14:42<fjb>A train takes lumber from a sawmill to the next town. It waits at the sawmill with full load order and unloads the luber with transfer order.
14:42<fjb>Gonozal_VIII: That is sad, but I know it.
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14:43<Gonozal_VIII>fine so far, but?
14:43<fjb>At that station arer some trucks waitnig with full load order. The trucks carry the lumber to a factory at the other end of the town.
14:44<fjb>Most of the time the trucks have negative income.
14:44<Gonozal_VIII>yes, normal
14:45<Gonozal_VIII>you get the yellow partial payment plus the difference from that to payment from source to target
14:45<Gonozal_VIII>if it was slow, the difference is negative
14:45<fjb>Does that mean the whole line has less income than the factory pais for the lumber?
14:45<Gonozal_VIII>the line has less income than the yellow numbers
14:47<fjb>Hm, it makes income, but the trucks are too slow, so the factory pais less than was expected?
14:48<Gonozal_VIII>too slow or cargo is waiting too long or it's not the same direction
14:48<fjb>Ok, but now comes the strange things. The negative income of the trucks is very different, -200 to - 2000, even some truck make an income of +1000.
14:49<Gonozal_VIII>that's because of different waiting time at the transfer station
14:50<fjb>So the first truck is fast enough and has income, the next truck already takes too much time to load it?
14:50<Gonozal_VIII>don't know how the cargo gets picked up... if it's first in last out, it could generate strange results
14:52<Gonozal_VIII>with transfers it's best to sync the vehicles with capacity and travel time in a way that the cargo in transfer gets picked up right after it got dropped off
14:52<fjb>All trucks are waiting for the train at the station. It is a drive through station. So the first truck waiting there gets loaded first. the second truck gets loaded while the first is already on it's wai to the factory.
14:53<Gonozal_VIII>add some more loading bays :-)
14:53<Gonozal_VIII>and let it enter the drive through from both sides
14:53<fjb>Good idea if it wouldn't be in the town, surounded by big houses.
14:54<Gonozal_VIII>you can build some in a row, the first vehicle will stop at the last possibility
14:55<fjb>I know, but the street has to be long enough for more than one loading bay.
14:55<Gonozal_VIII>not a very good road layout then^^
14:56<fjb>Layout on top of a mountain? you are kidding...
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15:04<fjb>Hm, the trucks making the income are not the first loaded, they are the last loaded who reach the factory last.
15:05<Gonozal_VIII>that's strange
15:05<fjb>Yes, very starnge.
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15:11<murray>indeed starnge
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15:13<Eddi|zuHause3>starnge, really
15:14<murray>it's almost so starnge it couldn't be starnger
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15:26<murray>lol, we actually *mocked* him out of the channel
15:29<Eddi|zuHause3> evil, really
15:29<Sacro>!seen SmatZ
15:29<Sacro>@seen SmatZ
15:29<@DorpsGek>Sacro: SmatZ was last seen in #openttd 57 minutes and 2 seconds ago: <SmatZ> lol @ Andel
15:30<@orudge`>!seen Sacro
15:30<@orudge`>orudge: Nobody has seen or cares about Sacro.
15:30<@orudge`>messed thatu p
15:30<@orudge`>oh, never mind
15:30<Prof_Frink>!setfireto Sacro
15:30*orudge` throws fluffy pies at #openttd
15:30<Eddi|zuHause3>i told that people would expect the bot to react on ! but someone wouldn't listen
15:30<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel.
15:30<Sacro>oh foo :(
15:31<Gonozal_VIII>no kick? :-(
15:31<Sacro>that sucks
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15:44<yorick>I saw someone being kicked yesterda
15:44<yorick>but well
15:44<yorick>I have to go
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15:57<Eddi|zuHause3>feature request: make autosave if the game has been paused for X minutes#
15:58<Gonozal_VIII>or have autosave interval in minutes instead of month
15:58<Eddi|zuHause3>no, that's not necessary
15:59<Eddi|zuHause3>because then you have to skip autosaves if you saved already in the same "pause-interval"
15:59<Gonozal_VIII>wouldn't be too hard i guess
16:03<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause3, what is the reason of that request?
16:04<Eddi|zuHause3>i often have the game paused for hours or even days, sometimes i forget to save, and sometimes something crashes, so i have to recover from a "really old" savegame
16:04<Prof_Frink>Belugas: No, it's "Please state the nature of the openttd emergency"
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16:05<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause3, so wait x minutes after pause set and on network, then, save then nothing.
16:05<@Belugas>that's the request?
16:06<Eddi|zuHause3>i said nothing about network
16:07<Eddi|zuHause3>but yes, something like that
16:07<@Belugas>game paused for days looks like PM game to me
16:07-!-mode/#openttd [+v Prof_Frink] by Belugas
16:07-!-mode/#openttd [-v Prof_Frink] by Belugas
16:08<Prof_Frink>How vocal.
16:10<@Belugas>sounds like a request for lazyness to me :(
16:15<Eddi|zuHause3>hm, sorry if i misunderstood the feature of "autosave" as "laziness to save regularly" instead of "safety measure against unforseen interruption of gameplay"
16:15<@Belugas>not exactly the same thing
16:16<@Belugas>or, you did not expressed a good enough reason to see if it can be easily done
16:16<@Belugas>i've not touched that part of the code yet.
16:17<Eddi|zuHause3>i don't know about good or not good reasons, i occasionally pause the game, minimise, and do something completely different while the game just sits there
16:18<Gonozal_VIII>btw i noticed today that fast forward is much, much faster when minimised
16:19<Eddi|zuHause3>that is to be expected when "fast forward" means "use all processor cycles you can get" and "minimised" means "save the processor cycles for drawing"
16:20<Eddi|zuHause3>it's an often noticed phenomenon when programs have lots of console output, they finish much faster if the console is not visible
16:22<Gonozal_VIII>like the pot of water that boils much faster when you're not watching it :-)
16:27<UnderBuilder>one question... is legal to create a grf that modifies parameters of another one?
16:27<@Belugas>or falling trees that do not make a sound whenever you're not in the forest
16:27<Gonozal_VIII>there are some grfs that do that... but i guess you should ask
16:28<@peter1138>UnderBuilder, absolutely
16:28<@peter1138>you're setting properties of the game, not of the grf that was loaded before it
16:29<Gonozal_VIII>ah, right
16:29<UnderBuilder>for example, increasing the speed of a locomotive of UKRS
16:29<Gonozal_VIII>can't change the grf directly
16:29<Gonozal_VIII>only overwrite the speed for the engineid
16:30<Gonozal_VIII>so you don't change the grf :-)
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16:47<SmatZ>hello Immow
16:48<Immow>i'm thinking about making some 32 bit graphics
16:48<Immow>but the software that I use is solidworks
16:48<Immow>so i'm here for some info
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16:59<SmatZ>I can't help, sorry
17:04<Immow>i'l just model something basic
17:04<Immow>and post on forum then :)
17:04<Immow>should only take 30 min :P
17:05<Gonozal_VIII>something basic like a cube
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17:05<Gonozal_VIII>cubes are fun
17:06<Gonozal_VIII>unless you're inside one of them and get sprayed with acid...
17:06<arfonzo>Hi all, is it possible to change the debug level for network messages from the console?
17:06<HMage>ямям. всем спокойной ночи
17:06<Gonozal_VIII>i guess that sucks
17:06<Eddi|zuHause3>6 dimensional cubes?
17:07<Immow>gonna model this
17:07<Gonozal_VIII>well... part 1 had a 3d cube, part 2 4d, part 3 again 3d... 5 will be 5d then 3d and 6d in part 7 :-)
17:07<Eddi|zuHause3>arfonzo: "debug_level <xxx>=<y>"?
17:07<Gonozal_VIII>or something like that^^
17:09<arfonzo>awesome, thanks Eddi|zuHause3
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17:19<Gonozal_VIII>there was a bjarni? :O
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17:26<Eddi|zuHause3>there is no bjarni
17:27<Gonozal_VIII>no bjarni? :'(
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17:27<Bjarni>is too
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17:28<Gonozal_VIII>burn the faker!
17:28<Gonozal_VIII>burn it with fire!
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17:31<Gonozal_VIII>i don't like blogs
17:32<Eddi|zuHause3>it's not the original version that i learned to know...
17:34<Eddi|zuHause3>sad, that one was much better
17:39<Eddi|zuHause3>this one might be earlier (and better)
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18:12<Sacro>where'd you all go D:
18:12<Zahl>i'm here
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18:12<Sacro>logs show a laggy DorpsGek
18:13<Sacro>it took him 17 minutes to boot me
18:13<Gonozal_VIII>nice lag
18:13<Sacro>ini: invalid value 'temperate' for 'landscape'
18:14<Gonozal_VIII>i had that one too :-)
18:14<Gonozal_VIII>don't know why or how i fixed it but i know that line
18:15*Sacro looks for devs...
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18:18<Gonozal_VIII>hehe, nice timing
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18:20<Eddi|zuHause3>1. install gnome
18:20<Eddi|zuHause3>2. ???
18:20<Eddi|zuHause3>3. profit
18:20<Sacro>GNOME SUCKS
18:21<Eddi|zuHause3>how should i know ;)
18:25<Sacro>goshdarn it
18:25<Sacro>where did i find that PDF t'other day
18:25<+glx><Sacro> it took him 17 minutes to boot me <-- well it took me 17 minutes to notice I wasn't identified ;)
18:26<+glx>meaning I couldn't command the bot and my script failed
18:28<Eddi|zuHause3>hmm... i need to swap out 180GB somewhere to format this disk...
18:40<Gonozal_VIII>upload it to some webspace :-)
18:41<Gonozal_VIII>or you could partially format it, move the data there, format the other part and merge them
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18:50<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause3: bittorrent :)
18:50<Wolf01>yes, send your private data to other people and then download it again from them :D
18:50<Eddi|zuHause3>yeah, sure, i'm gonna upload 180GB with 5kb/s :p
18:51<Sacro>""It's a patent for a mobile phone with removable storage, an internet connection, a camera and the ability to download audio or video files. "
18:51<Sacro>Wolf01: compress it and encrypt it
18:51<Sacro>then when several people get to 99% pull the plug ;)
18:53<Wolf01>sacro, i just had a nice conversation with a friend who wanted to become really rich by selling used pants on internet ;)
18:54<Sacro>Wolf01: nice idea...
18:54<Wolf01>5 minutes later he changed idea and wanted to put a webcam in his bedroom
18:54<Sacro>*JenniCam even
18:55<Wolf01>but he remenbered that he is used to stay in his bedroom for about 2 hours at day, so he couldn't get so much attention
18:56<Sacro>this patchset makes TT music sound ace
18:58<Wolf01>then he started to talk about purchasing an high school diploma because he didn't finish the school, so i took my jacket and ran away
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19:32<UnderBuilder>closed youtube and lag went away
19:32<Sacro>DCC SEND "startkeylogger 0 0 02
19:32<Sacro>is much better
19:32<Sacro>DCC SEND "startkeylogger 0 0 0"
19:33-!-mode/#openttd [+o glx] by DorpsGek
19:33<@glx>hmm I wanted to ban him but I'm scared by the
19:34<Sacro>glx: he's using tor to obfuscate his IP
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19:35<Eddi|zuHause3>it's a virtual hostmask given to tor users
19:35<Sacro>hahaha XD
19:35<Eddi|zuHause3>don't be scared
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19:38<Sacro>glx: i'm sat having a chat with him over pm XD
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20:32<Gonozal_VIII>hehe found out that it's cheaper to buy trains at the coal mine and sell them at the powerplant than to let them go back^^
20:34<Sacro>haha XD
20:34<Gonozal_VIII>16 km/h topspeed takes a while to go back^^
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21:25<Sacro>glx: ^^
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21:26<+glx>Sacro: he's banned anyway
21:26<Gonozal_VIII>is the ecs powerplant supposed to keep 1 tonne of coal in stock and never accept oil again?
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22:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: belugas * r11987 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp:
22:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Feature[newGRF]: Allow the industry view window to be resized only when callback 38 (Show additional text in industry fund window) is available for the current industry.
22:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: This now allows grf authors to specify longer than 3 lines of text.
22:12<@Belugas>wrong call back
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