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---Logopened Fri Mar 07 00:00:59 2008
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03:12<Lazlo_Falconi>Evenin' guys
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04:32<SpComb>someone else told me to tell you that apparently the OpenTTD wiki's CAPTCHA is broken
04:36<@peter1138>Works for me.
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05:38<Nuhru>wiki captcha is broken for me
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05:42<@peter1138>Works for me.
05:42<Nuhru>not for me, gives HTTP/1.x 500 Internal Error
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07:53<GhostBear>Hi! How i can activate AI players in multiplayer?
07:55<GhostBear>I'm checking box in Configure Pathces but there is still no AIs
07:55<Ammler>GhostBear: not possible iirc
07:56<GhostBear>No, i did it time ago, but now it doesn't works somewhy \=
07:56<Ammler>you don't need AI in MP mode
07:56<Ammler>well, not possible since 0.4.8
07:56<Ammler>no idea how it was before
07:56<GhostBear>So why checkbox still exists then?
07:57<Ammler>because you can play with ai in sp
07:58<Ammler>!s/ai/as/ ( artificial stupidness)
07:59<GhostBear>Check box with label "Enable AI in multiplayer"
08:04<@peter1138> < desired?
08:04<Ammler>well, then I have to be sorry
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08:30<Ammler>peter1138: :) I have no idea what you mean, the small window size or the station itself?
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08:30<Ammler>but that would be amazing:
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09:00<@peter1138>The station itself.
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10:35<ln->countries yet?
10:36<@Belugas>where? when? why? what???
10:36<Gonozal_VIII>why are you here twice?
10:36<@Belugas>since when are you 7th?
10:37<@Belugas>who is number 1?
10:37<@Belugas>I'm not a number,
10:37<Gonozal_VIII>8, not 7 :P
10:37<@Belugas>i'm a free man!
10:37<Gonozal_VIII>and i was talking to ln
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10:43<@Belugas>hoo... ok... then, if you take it like that, the clown goes away
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10:44<hylje>you scurred him
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10:48<Eddi|zuHause2>you curried him?
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10:48<Prof_Frink>Mmm, Belugas Tikka Massala
10:49<Eddi|zuHause2>(A x B) -> C => A->(B->C)
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10:54*Belugas prefers Tandoori over tikka massala
10:54<Gonozal_VIII>why did you leave belugas? :S
10:55<@Belugas>i felt a bit facetious :)
10:55<@Belugas>nothing against you ;)
10:56<Eddi|zuHause2>nothing effective you mean ;)
10:56<Gonozal_VIII>ah ic
10:56<Gonozal_VIII>and i was worried that i broke you...
10:57<@Belugas>hardly :)
10:57<@Belugas>ain't a bot :D
10:57<Gonozal_VIII>you're still needed for programming, since your autorenew failed
10:57<@Belugas>yeah, Bjarni might have wrote it
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11:08<Eddi|zuHause2>which reminds me of a question... where does the word "write" come from? the german word "schreiben" is derived from latin, french (écrire) and spanish (escribir) have similar words.
11:12<@Belugas>proto-germanic, it seems
11:14<Eddi|zuHause2>hm... "ritzen"... that is an explanation, yes
11:14*HMage is puzzled
11:14<@Belugas>so you could imagine the tribes of old germany invading great britain and having language evolving on its own, apart from "main land"
11:15<@Belugas>while main land evolved in contact with "latin" tribes
11:15<@Belugas>or something
11:15<Eddi|zuHause2>hm... english was much more influenced from latin (due to occupation) than german (due to massive resistance)
11:16<@Belugas>depends how early you go
11:17<@Belugas>romans invaded great britain while people were already there
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11:17<@Belugas>so, the "natives" still had their own base language
11:17<@Belugas>proto history, in fact
11:17<frosch123>the native language is "welsh", isn't it ?
11:18<Eddi|zuHause2>welsh is a celtic dialect, yes
11:19<Eddi|zuHause2>Belugas: but the german tribes arrived after the roman occupation
11:20<@Belugas>Eddi|zuHause2, are you saying there was no one on the island when romans came ?
11:21<Eddi|zuHause2>Belugas: no, i am saying that this is no explanation for the spreading of the word
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11:22<Sacro>yes thanks
11:22<@Belugas>who was on the island before the romans?
11:22<Eddi|zuHause2>celtic tribes, like i said
11:22<Prof_Frink>Basically, English takes the best bits of any language we can find.
11:23<Eddi|zuHause2>english has remarkably few celtic elements
11:23<Sacro>Prof_Frink: indeed
11:23<@Belugas>and where do the celts were from? german roots, isn;tit?
11:24<Eddi|zuHause2>not that i know of...
11:24<frosch123>celts are french
11:24<frosch123>Gallia est divisa in partes tres...
11:24<Eddi|zuHause2>if you compare welsh to german... there are hardly any similarities
11:25*Belugas goes back to work, as it seems his european proto history is somewhat broken
11:26<frosch123>though I guess the romans removed all celtic parts from the french
11:26*Sacro chops off frosch123's celtic parts
11:26<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't know much about celtic history either. i assume they were spread across western europe long before the germanic tribes arrived in eastern europe
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11:30<Sacro>our professor just asked if anyone knows how to use a gimp
11:31<Prof_Frink>"a" or "the"?
11:32*HMage remembers the joke of "I helped my uncle Jack off the horse"
11:32<Sacro>Prof_Frink: well...
11:33<Sacro>HMage: yes...
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11:34<HMage>russian being my first language, so little amount of punctuation in english seemed disorienting for some time to me
11:35<Eddi|zuHause2>we got never taught that kind of jokes in the school ;)
11:35<Sacro>i want to learn russian
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11:35*Sacro is going to the Ukraine in summer
11:36<hylje>*the* ukraine
11:36<HMage>I'm told it's very difficult for native english language speakers
11:36<Sacro>hylje: ?
11:36<Sacro>HMage: mmm
11:36<Sacro>i used to be able to say "Do you understand Englsih" and "I understand russian"
11:36<Sacro>but i forget which way round the words go
11:37<HMage>russian has seven cases
11:37<HMage>sometimes the exact meaning of the sentence relies on the case
11:38<Sacro>fun to learn
11:38<HMage>order of the words isn't important most of the time
11:39<Sacro>that's useful to know
11:39<HMage>but cases do depend on the order of the words
11:40<HMage>and interrogrative sentence most of the time differ from affirmative sentences usually by intonation
11:40<Gonozal_VIII>cases are important, cases depend on the order of the words --> order of the words isn't important... something's wrong there
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11:41<HMage>because you can say anything in almost any order of the words
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11:42<Sacro>well, i just want to get buy
11:42<HMage>"I have a car" -> "У меня есть автомобиль". But it's okay to say "автомобиль у меня есть" and "у меня автомобиль есть"
11:42<Sacro>i don't just wanna be another english guy
11:42<Sacro>oh and i wanna chat up the ladies too
11:42<HMage>but be careful, "у автомобиль меня есть" means different thing :)
11:42<Eddi|zuHause2>what he means is: you can reorder the words, but then you have to readjust the cases to express the same thing
11:43<HMage>yes, thank you Eddi|zuHause2
11:43<Sacro>HMage: ahh right
11:43<HMage>sorry I couldn't explain that so simply
11:43<Sacro>i need to find some friendly russian people to talk to
11:43<Sacro>who'd help me learn the language
11:44<HMage>try to find someone who's not usually busy. having free time dictates friendliness in ex-USSR space. (it's not a rule, though. more like an observation)
11:44<Gonozal_VIII>you can mix longer german sentences around without changing the meaning too and you don't even have to change cases :-)
11:45<+glx><HMage> russian has seven cases <-- I remember only 6
11:46<Eddi|zuHause2>you can even merge several sentences into one, and then shuffle around even more ;)
11:46<Gonozal_VIII>that's because the 7th is a kgb secret
11:46<HMage>sorry, it's 6
11:46<Eddi|zuHause2>what is the kgb called this week?
11:47<Sacro>front side bus?
11:47<Gonozal_VIII>front side bus?
11:47<Sacro>that's not scary
11:47<Sacro>Gonozal_VIII: jinxed
11:47<HMage>can be loosely translated as "Federal Security Berau"
11:47<HMage>can't spell that word
11:47<HMage>thanks :)
11:48<Gonozal_VIII>that's because it's frenchish, that stuff is always hard to spell
11:48<Eddi|zuHause2>take the german word Büro and frenchify it ;)
11:48<HMage>but actually the translation is "Federal Service of Security"
11:48<HMage>or Federal Security Service, that's better
11:49<Sacro>Ministry of Security?
11:49<HMage>but russians don't think so much to properly translate into english, so I won't be surprised if it's called "Federal Service of Security" officially
11:50<Gonozal_VIII>wiki: Federal Security Service
11:50<HMage>well, at least they've got a hang on English now :)
11:51<Eddi|zuHause2><Sacro> Ministry of Security? <- that's frightingly close to "Ministerium für Staatssicherheit" [StaSi]
11:51<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause2: oh dear...
11:51<HMage> -- omg caps
11:51<HMage>I have to go.
11:52<HMage>(no, it's not FSB, dun worry :)
11:53<Gonozal_VIII>omg they found out that you were talking about them
11:53<HMage>but there's new law being in approval now that legalises tapping into internet connections by FSB
11:54<HMage>if it'll be approved, every ISP will have to accomodate FSB request to provide all information and all traffic logs for 3 months at least
11:54<Eddi|zuHause2>Sacro: actually, it means almos the same as "NSA" in the USA
11:54<HMage>anyway, gtg home, bbl
11:54<Sacro>lol, alritght
11:55<HMage>it takes two hours to get to home here in Moscow, it's so overcrowded x.x
11:55<HMage>especially in peak hours
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13:18<Gonozal_VIII>it's a dih! run!
13:18<dih>die weissheit leuft dir hinterher, aber du bist shneller
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13:31<fjb>Hm, ECS glass works accept sand, coal and sodium, but no station around it accepts sodium. Same with power stations and oil. Is that a new bug? Or an unhappy combination of GRFs again?
13:31<Gonozal_VIII>wtf sodium
13:32<Gonozal_VIII>i know that... but since when is that part of the ecs vectors
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13:34<Gonozal_VIII>what does that have to do with anything?
13:36<fjb>ECS Glasfabriken brauchen Kohle, Sand und Kali.
13:37<Gonozal_VIII>kalisalt is a mixture of salts... sodium is an element.. happens to be part of the most common salt but still... not the same
13:38<fjb>Kalium = sodium
13:38<Gonozal_VIII>sodium = na, kalium = k
13:39<fjb>Kalium is Latin, german etc., sodium is English.
13:39<fjb>Are you sure?
13:39<Gonozal_VIII>sodium is natrium
13:41<Gonozal_VIII>potassium is kalium
13:42<Gonozal_VIII>strange english names
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13:42<fjb>Ok, you are right.
13:42<LordAzamath>yes I am
13:42<fjb>Hello LordAzamath
13:42<Gonozal_VIII>no you're not
13:43<Gonozal_VIII>and hi :P
13:43<LordAzamath>helllllo Gonozal_VIII
13:43<fjb>Ok, the the galls works are accepting potassium, but the stations around it don't.
13:43<LordAzamath>ok.. one newbie question... what command was it to downgrade via svn
13:43<LordAzamath>when I have co'd the latest trunk
13:44<Gonozal_VIII>update :-)
13:44<LordAzamath>can't be
13:44<LordAzamath>I tried it
13:44<LordAzamath>svn up 12030
13:44<LordAzamath>it says skipped 12030
13:45<hylje>update -r the-revision-you-liek
13:45<LordAzamath>ok :)
13:45<LordAzamath>worked :P
13:47<HMage>svn make me tea -please
13:47<fjb>svn checkout -r 1729
13:47*HMage is back
13:48*HMage is front
13:48<Gonozal_VIII>you have to use make to make tea, baka
13:48<fjb>svn checkout -r 12030
13:48<HMage>PLEASE=true make tea
13:50<LordAzamath>patch command doesn't work :o
13:50<hylje>sudo make tea
13:52<fjb>sudo /etc/csh :-P
13:52<fjb>sudo /bin/csh :-P
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13:54<HMage>sudo echo hi
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13:56<ln->the Obsidian Order
13:57<hylje>le hi
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14:04*LordAzamath is stupid
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14:07<LordAzamath>nobody agrees with me :(
14:07<Gonozal_VIII>of course not, who would agree with stupid people
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14:08*LordAzamath tried to patch with an empty diff
14:09<Gonozal_VIII>that way you can be sure that it will still work 1000 revisions later
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14:15<Patrick`>mmm, trains
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14:16<hylje>.. ooh, trains..
14:19<fjb>UKRS encourages you to use road vehicles.
14:22<@Belugas>United Kingdo Road Set
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14:39<fjb>United Kongdom Replacement Set :-P
14:40<Gonozal_VIII>yay :D
14:40<Gonozal_VIII>replace the uk with something more useful
14:40<fjb>The question is what it is replaced by.
14:40<Gonozal_VIII>maybe ocean
14:40<Gonozal_VIII>or a big crater
14:41<fjb>Ok, maybe renewal.
14:41*peter1138 removes all his patches from Gonozal_VIII's OpenTTD.
14:41<fjb>But replacement is more fun.
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14:48*LordAzamath adds all peter1138's patches to Gonozal_VIII's OpenTTD
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14:51<@peter1138>They don’t exist. They’ve been replaced with a big crater.
14:52<ln->what is that nun doing in Wer wird Millionär?
14:52<Gonozal_VIII>god always demands money
14:54<Gonozal_VIII>and d
14:54<Gonozal_VIII>and why are you watching rtl?
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14:55<mrfrenzy>any chance you'll be releasing your patchpack with beta5 gonozal_viii
14:55<Gonozal_VIII>well.. i have all patches except yapp up to date
14:56<Gonozal_VIII>waiting for new yapp version
14:59<Gonozal_VIII>wtf savegame version changed again
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15:07<fjb>YAPP isn't that hard to bring to current.
15:07<Gonozal_VIII>but i want neeeeeeew
15:08<Gonozal_VIII>and you didn't send me the updated version :P
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15:14<fjb>Countries? New? New Austria?
15:14<dih>schoen ist es auf der welt zu sein....
15:15<fjb>Are you a bee or a hedge hog?
15:15<LordAzamath>a bee, what about you fjb?
15:16<fjb>Me I am.
15:16<fjb>Ich denke, also bin ich.
15:18<fjb>LordAzamath: Black/Schoen-Ist-Es-Auf-Der-Welt-Zu-Sein-feat.-Anita-12226.html Roy Black and Anita Hegerland.
15:19<LordAzamath>Fehler 404: Seite nicht gefunden
15:19<LordAzamath>404 error
15:19<LordAzamath>only the first part came as a link :P
15:20<fjb>Oh, I see. There is a blank in the URL.
15:20<LordAzamath>a space
15:20<LordAzamath>very bad :P
15:20<LordAzamath>fjb, unfortunaltyl I don't understand a word f those lyrics :P
15:20<fjb>Yes, not my page.
15:23<fjb>It doesn't translate Stachelschwein. the english term is hedge hog.
15:24<Gonozal_VIII>sure about that?
15:24<Gonozal_VIII>igel and stachelschwein are the same in english?
15:26<fjb>Hm, we should ask a native english speaker. I learned it that way, but my English is not the best.
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15:26<globester>hm, i thought i could build locks on canals :/
15:26<fjb>LordAzamath: good night.
15:26<globester>locks on rivers
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15:27<Gonozal_VIII>they are completely unrelated animals..
15:27<Gonozal_VIII>i don't think they have the same name in english
15:29<dih>hello Belugas :-)
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15:30<fjb>Gonozal_VIII: You may be right.
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15:31<Gonozal_VIII>ha! i'll look up the latin name from the german wiki in the english wiki
15:32<Gonozal_VIII>Old World porcupine
15:32<fjb>Strange name.
15:32<fjb>Never heard it.
15:32<Gonozal_VIII>me neither
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15:38<Eddi|zuHause2>i have
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15:39<Eddi|zuHause2>in an NCIS episode
15:39<Eddi|zuHause2>Ziva had problems pronouncing it
15:42<Eddi|zuHause2>Naval Criminal Investigative Service
15:43<Eddi|zuHause2>in germany broadcast under the name "Navy CIS" on Sat.1, Sunday 20:15
15:43<fjb>I Guess I never saw that.
15:44<Eddi|zuHause2>it had a backdoor pilot in the series "JAG", which is why it is often called "spinoff", but it has nothing really to do with it
15:44<fjb>Not connected investigation system. :-)
15:45<fjb>or better series
15:49<Eddi|zuHause2>can you speak in complete sentences?
15:49<Gonozal_VIII>waste of finger movement
15:50<Eddi|zuHause2>yes, you are.
15:51<ln->hmm, berlin 179€
15:54<hylje>how cheap is berlin
15:55<fjb>The price per politician is usually higher.
15:56<Eddi|zuHause2>berliners usually cost much less
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16:01<ubuntuusers23432>i think compiz disabled my direct rendering how can i check if direct rendering is on ? i am on nvdia 8500 gt
16:01<Diabolic-Angel>glxinfo | grep direct
16:01*SmatZ just found out his direct rendering is not working :)
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16:02<fjb>Glx is not online.
16:05<ubuntuusers23432>Diabolic-Angel it syas direct rendering yes
16:05<Eddi|zuHause2>direct rendering: Yes
16:05<ubuntuusers23432>but i get shaky images
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16:08<fjb>Don't jump while watching the images.
16:09<Gonozal_VIII>actually, jumping wouldn't cause that, the brain automagically compensates for the own movement, moving screen would be worse
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16:10<fjb>Eating cookies is a shure way to get shaky images.
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16:11<Gonozal_VIII>-brain +ears and eyes
16:12<Eddi|zuHause2>well, ears are responsible for measuring the own movement
16:13<Gonozal_VIII>and the eyes do the compensating
16:13<fjb>Try it.
16:14<Gonozal_VIII>try what? moving with my eyes open? i do that every day
16:15<fjb>Weichei. :-P
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16:16*Belugas has Ghosts in his brain moving at stump speed
16:16<@Belugas>the only thing that's real
16:18<fjb>Nothing is real.
16:23<@Belugas># I Focus on the pain
16:23<@Belugas># the only thing that's real
16:24<@Belugas># the needle tears a hole
16:24<@Belugas># the old familiar sting
16:24<@Belugas># try to kill uit all away
16:24<@Belugas># but i remember
16:24<@Belugas># everything
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16:38<aleex>hey ;)
16:38<aleex>i think i've found a bug in 0.6.0-beta5
16:39<aleex>maybe it is already known ...
16:39<Gonozal_VIII>no you didn't! there mustn't be any bugs!
16:39<aleex>the transparecy option for the train load disappears after a while
16:39<aleex>i turn it on again --> after a while it disapeared again
16:40<Gonozal_VIII>during autosave?
16:40<aleex>mom, i'll try that
16:42<@Belugas>why does he call you mom, Gonozal_VIII?
16:42<@Belugas>at elast, he shold have said dad...
16:42<aleex>no sorry
16:42<@Belugas>unless you're a female, of course...
16:42<aleex>i meant "moment"
16:42<Gonozal_VIII>i don't know, i guess he's very confused
16:42<aleex>wait a moment ... ;)
16:43<aleex>and no, autosave isn't the problem
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16:44<@Belugas>aleex, could you provide screenshot? i cannot run the game right now
16:45<SmatZ>I cannot reproduce it
16:45<SmatZ>it disappears when you press 'X'
16:45<Gonozal_VIII>it's supposed to do that
16:46<Gonozal_VIII>x toggles transparency
16:46<SmatZ>aleex: do you have transparency lock for loading indicators?
16:47<Gonozal_VIII>and what's the point in monitoring gas prices in nürnberg :S
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16:57<Eddi|zuHause2>X marks the spot.
16:58<@Belugas>X as in Exit
16:58<@Belugas>Exit as in get out
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16:58<@Belugas>get out as in END OF THE BORING DAY!
16:58<@Belugas>and yeah for the weekend
16:59<@Belugas>good night all,
16:59<@Belugas>have fun
16:59*Belugas goes home
16:59<Eddi|zuHause2>you need holidays, urgently ;)
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17:11<Ammller>Gonozal_VIII: why don't you ask the devs, if you could use the compilefarm of openttd?
17:12<Ammller>the compilefarm is built, that you can give them a url to patch and everything else will be made automatically, as far as I know from Truelight.
17:13<Gonozal_VIII>you think they would do that?
17:13<Ammller>I guess, if the devs don't know exactly how it works, Truelight would help them
17:13<Ammller>but he don't do it without asking devs before.
17:14<Ammller>thats the way we did it for WWOTTDGD
17:15<Ammller>Gonozal_VIII: its worth for asking...
17:16<Gonozal_VIII>chrisin is better than my stuff and doesn't have that...
17:16<Ammller>I guess, he never asked... :-)
17:17<Gonozal_VIII>devs? deeeeevs?
17:18<Ammller>I guess, you need Belugas or bjarni or an other dev with access to the compilefarm
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17:38<Digitalfox>Gonozal_VIII: Are doing the same Steve Balmer did?
17:39<Prof_Frink>Dance, monkeyboy
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17:43<Digitalfox>Gonozal_VIII: I was kidding, but check the video of Steve Ballmer screaming Web Developers
17:43<Gonozal_VIII>i couldn't understand anything
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19:10<Poopsmith>sup yo?
19:13<Gonozal_VIII>a lot!
19:13<Gonozal_VIII>a lot of nothing
19:13<lolman>The sky, usually
19:14<Poopsmith>lolman: true. true.
19:15<Poopsmith>Gonozal_VIII: same. a bit sick so i'm avoiding doing anything that feels remotely like work ;)
19:17<Eddi|zuHause2>i don't see any sky
19:17<Gonozal_VIII>going around upside down all the time sounds like work to me...
19:21<Gonozal_VIII>why the hell would somebody remove the sound from a subbed video
19:22<Gonozal_VIII><-- watching anime again
19:23<Gonozal_VIII>japanese with english subtitles
19:23<Gonozal_VIII>dub sucks
19:23<Eddi|zuHause2>so why not japanese with german subtitles?
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19:24<Eddi|zuHause2>or japanese with japanese subtitles ;)
19:24<Gonozal_VIII>there are not many of those and the german subtitles are usually lower quality
19:24<Gonozal_VIII>makes a lot of sense^^
19:24<Eddi|zuHause2>well, a lot of people view stuff in english with english subtitles ;)
19:25<Eddi|zuHause2>reading is usually easier than listening
19:25<Gonozal_VIII>english, french, spanish and italian are the most common subtitle languages
19:26<Gonozal_VIII>at least for the stuff i found so far
19:27<Eddi|zuHause2>i was under the impression there was quite a big german subbing community for anime
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19:29<Gonozal_VIII>maybe that veohtv thingy just doesn't search in the right places
19:29<Gonozal_VIII>but i prefer english anyways
19:30<Eddi|zuHause2>when you view it translated anyway, there is not much sense to prefer english over german
19:31<Gonozal_VIII>i guess that's not the case everywhere but i watched some stuff with both english and german subs and the english made more sense
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20:13<Sacro>ahh admiral ackbar
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20:28<Sacro>Как пропатчить KDE2 под FreeBSD?
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21:03<UFO64>eavning all
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21:38<@Belugas>compile farm ? devs? what about them?
21:53<Eddi|zuHause3>i assume he is talking about his patch pack
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22:04<@Belugas>and he wold like to have it compiled on a regular basis?
22:05<@Belugas>last time a xIN patch was done this way, people got really confused
22:05<@Belugas>i'm not too sure it is a good idea
22:05<@Belugas>but i'm not alone in the deciseion
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22:29<@Belugas>it works :D
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22:34*Belugas goes to sleep happy camper :D
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23:46<Rubidium>why is it always so quiet when I look at IRC?
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