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---Logopened Thu Sep 25 00:00:50 2008
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03:47<roboboy>fixing a problem with mibbit
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03:47<roboboy>fixing a problem with mibbit
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03:47<roboboy>fixing a problem with mibbit
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03:47<roboboy>fixing a problem with mibbit
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03:47*Forked stabs roboboys client to death
03:48<roboboy>ive fixed it\
03:51<murray>i have a strange feeling of deja vu
04:05<SpComb>roboboy: fixed what?
04:07<roboboy>the problem with mibbit
04:08<roboboy>its a graphical glitch that only fixes itself after several part joins
04:08<Forked>what about .. using mirc? :p
04:08<Noldo>oh great
04:08<Forked>or even better.. irssi
04:08<roboboy>my connection doesnt like other IRC clients
04:10<roboboy>ill see if xchat will connect
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04:13<roboboy>hm it worked then from xchat
04:13<roboboy>or sort of
04:13<roboboy>i joined but xchat is not showing the #openttd tab
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04:15<@peter1138>What about quitting mibbit and restarting it, instead of part/joining?
04:15<@peter1138>Then it'd be just once...
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04:17*Forked is proposing to his gf today...
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05:50<CIA-2>OpenTTD: smatz * r14398 /trunk/src/vehicle_base.h: -Cleanup (r14395): unused function sneaked in
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07:57<Brianetta> (:
07:59<Brianetta>Don't know why I bother joining #tycoon during the day time. It's always marcf and reldred talking about cars.
07:59<FauxFaux>I'm not sure I get the inline terminus, unless you have two types of cargo on a train. ¬_¬
07:59<TrueBrain>Brianetta: is it at other times any better
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07:59<Brianetta>TrueBrain: The minutiae of cars is second only to football in its capacity to bore me.
08:00<FauxFaux>Or something crazy like /passengers/.
08:00<Brianetta>FauxFaux: What don't you understand?
08:00<TrueBrain>Brianetta: I agree with you there :)
08:00<roboboy>what football do you mean? soccer?
08:00<Brianetta>roboboy: There's only one football where foot meets ball.
08:00<roboboy>I dont really like cars or soccer
08:01<FauxFaux>Brianetta: That you make the train enter the station twice.
08:01<roboboy>foot does meet the ball in rugby but not as much
08:01<Brianetta>FauxFaux: There's nothng to stop you replacing the departures platform with empty track, if all you're doing is dropping off.
08:01<Brianetta>roboboy: Soccer is just what the yanks call football.
08:02*FauxFaux nods.
08:02<Brianetta>FauxFaux: Also, with cargo, you can (and I have done, before now) place a depot on the spur line, and have the train refit. Useful with UKRS and PBI, where a bolster truck can drop off wood and carry away lumber.
08:03<Brianetta>I might ad dthis to the guide.
08:03<Noldo>itäs possible to make refit orders?
08:03<Brianetta>Noldo: yes.
08:03<FauxFaux>That'd be serious hax.
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08:39<TrueBrain>hi Celestar :)
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08:50<@Belugas>yexo, i've got no idea why you received that notification, for FS2202. I did not included you on the notification (nor did i added anyone...) and i'm as surprised as you
08:51<@SmatZ>2008-08-06 Thijs Marinussen (Yexo) Comment added
08:51<@SmatZ>2008-08-06 Thijs Marinussen (Yexo) User added to notification list: Thijs Marinussen (Yexo)
08:51<@Belugas>or Yexo__... pick the one you want ^_^
08:51<@SmatZ>I think it is clear :)
08:51<@Belugas>haaa... indeed
08:51<@Belugas>NOT MY FAULT!!!
08:51<@Belugas>hello all
08:51<TrueBrain>Belugas: we can make it your fault ;)
08:51<@SmatZ>hello Belugas
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08:53<@Celestar>\o peter1138
08:53<Gekz>he wants attention
09:01<TrueBrain>there is a new Knight Rider series
09:01<TrueBrain>it is pretty fancy :)
09:01<TrueBrain>much cooler car! :)
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09:02<@SmatZ>much cooler david hasselhoff?
09:02<@SmatZ>it can't be!
09:02<TrueBrain>one with more attitude :)
09:03<TrueBrain>and sorry Brianetta for bringing up cars :)
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09:04<TrueBrain>but it is more a mixture of Knight Rider and Viper
09:04<Brianetta>TrueBrain: Knight Rider is an exception.
09:05<@Celestar>Rubidium: you there?
09:06<TrueBrain>Brianetta: pfew :)
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09:21<@peter1138>Cooler car? Impossible.
09:21<TrueBrain>watch it, and you will be suprised ;)
09:21<TrueBrain>"The impossible just takes a little bit longer"
09:23<@Belugas>or ask TrueBrain, he'll make it up in no flat
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09:24<TrueBrain>no flat?
09:27<Brianetta>Pinrt -> Wall
09:27<Brianetta>A lot of black toner, but never mind.
09:27*Sacro fires up Visual Studio
09:28<TrueBrain>you want a match?
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09:39<@Belugas>"in no flat" -> in very little time, or so I believe it means
09:40<TrueBrain>ah :) Tnx I guess :p
09:51<Brianetta>"in no flat" wouldn't be used much, although we kind of understand because it's like "four seconds flat" etc
09:52<@peter1138>I've never heard of it.
09:52<Brianetta>where it refers to being four seconds, and not the slightest fraction longer
09:52<Gekz>in no time
09:52<Gekz>not in no flat
09:52<Brianetta>Gekz: More comon, definitely
09:52<Gekz>in no flat isn't grammatically correct.
09:52<Gekz>flat is an adjective.
09:52<Brianetta>or an abode
09:53<Gekz>not in this context.
09:53<Brianetta>in no flat did I have gas
09:53<TrueBrain>go to #lang or what ever
09:53<Gekz>TrueBrain: the op did it.
09:53*Brianetta dips TrueBrain in purple ink
09:53*Celestar should play less Q3A
09:53*Belugas ponders renaming #openttd for #controversy
09:54<TrueBrain>Belugas: I vote yes
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10:22<@Belugas>heheh Mortal does not want to miss a single line of waht's been said in here...
10:22<@Belugas>there's 3 of him!
10:22<mortal``>there sure is
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10:23<TrueBrain>@kick Guest1557 One mortal goes out to play, 2 left
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10:26<@Belugas>i love it when he's brutal like that heheh
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10:29<TrueBrain>We do not stop playing because we grow old;
10:29<TrueBrain>we grow old because we stop playing.
10:30<Gekz>not true
10:30<Gekz>we grow old because oxygen is causing the aging process.
10:32<@Belugas>mmh... so... when i'm on apnea, i stop my aging process?
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10:33<@Belugas>i think i'll spend half a year practicing apnea then. So... in 20 years, i'll just be 10 more years old
10:33<TrueBrain>Gekz: in fact, that is very wrong. We age because of splitting our cells because they need to reproduce, which causes minor damage to a given thingy, which makes us get older
10:33<@Belugas>nice... envetyually, yuo'll all going to catch me up
10:33<@Belugas>you hou!!
10:33<TrueBrain>Belugas: hehehehehe :)
10:33<@Belugas>hooo... shhooooo!!! bummer!!!!!
10:33<@Belugas>all my illusions are now vanishing :(
10:34<TrueBrain>*** but I will not sleep, in this bed of lies ***
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10:35<TrueBrain>I like matchbox :)
10:37<@Belugas>Bon Jovi - Bed or Roses
10:37<@Belugas>is it?
10:38<TrueBrain>is what?
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10:44<@Belugas>is... baaa... do not mind
10:46<@Belugas>is a Belugas who thinks too much and even overthink where ther is nothing to think about
10:46<TrueBrain>I hate IRC :p
10:47<@Belugas>no you don't!
10:47<@Belugas>proof is, you're still here :D
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10:48<TrueBrain>*** and I feel like something is going to give ***
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10:54<@peter1138>Yay, a lenny kernel fixed my server problem :D
10:56<@peter1138>Performanced sucked with 4GB, but was okay with 2 or 3GB
10:57<@peter1138>Most likely an old buggy BIOS. I did try to update it first but it wasn't having any of it.
10:57<@peter1138>HP's tools denied there being an update, despite me having downloaded one. Although that was after millions of 404 links on HP's site.
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11:05<FauxFaux>There's an etchnhalf kernel if you want to stick with stable.
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11:10<Sacro>right, I need an RCS locally
11:10<Sacro>what do people recommend and why?
11:11<Sacro>Eddi|zuHause: unt warum?
11:12<Eddi|zuHause>why not?
11:12<Sacro>serious answers only
11:12<Sacro>or i'll just use svn
11:12<TrueBrain>this really became a VCS advisory channel :p
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11:13<Eddi|zuHause>hg, being distributed, might be easier to synchronise
11:14<TrueBrain>Sacro: it depends very much on what you are going to do with it, and what the group of users is
11:14<Sacro>TrueBrain: user is just me
11:14<TrueBrain>'hg' is fast, lightweighted and locally enabled very fast
11:14<TrueBrain>svn is more commonly known
11:14<TrueBrain>git sucks
11:14<TrueBrain>cvs is outdated
11:14<TrueBrain>then use hg
11:14<TrueBrain>'hg init' creates the repos
11:15<Sacro>i want to be able to access it on multiple machines
11:15<TrueBrain>much easier than 'svnadmin create' on some place
11:15<TrueBrain>then in your work-dir do a checkout ...
11:15<Sacro>so ideally centrally hosted
11:15<TrueBrain>much more work
11:15<Sacro>and preferably VS200x integration
11:15<Eddi|zuHause>"You need to uninstall SimCity 4 before installing SimCity 4 Deluxe" <- wtf?
11:15<TrueBrain>I have no idea about any integration with VS
11:15<Sacro>ahh, hg = mercurial
11:16<TrueBrain>I use 'hg' for a while now professional, even to push data to clients, works very well :)
11:16<Eddi|zuHause>yes, Sacro, like the chemical element
11:17<Sacro> * Files that are checked in to repository are marked as Read-Only
11:17<Sacro> * No support for operations specific for Mercurial: push, pull, clone, MQ, etc..
11:17<Sacro> * No support for Merge
11:17<Sacro> * No support for Get revision
11:17<Sacro>is that bad?
11:17*Sacro really needs to have version control
11:17<Sacro>as I have a habit of mass deleting old code
11:18<TrueBrain>[17:17] <Sacro> * No support for operations specific for Mercurial: push, pull, clone, MQ, etc.. <- what? Lol! That are the basic functions of Mercurial ... what is left? :p
11:19<Sacro>not much it seems
11:19<Eddi|zuHause>push/pull is for synchronising repositories, update/commit is for working copy<->local repository
11:19<Sacro>I have AnkhSVN and that seems quite nice
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11:21<Sacro> * Support for basic operations: Add, Remove, CheckIn, CheckOut, Rename,
11:21<Sacro> * File history dialog with support of file differencing
11:21<Sacro> * Support tracking of file renames in file history dialog
11:21<Sacro> * Support external file comparison tools (use plugin options at
11:21<Sacro>Tools->Options->Source Control->HgSccProvider->Advanced)
11:21<Sacro> * Support for Pending Checkins
11:21<Sacro> * In commit dialog you can check the files for checkin. Also you can compare
11:21<Sacro>files in commit dialog to see the changes with previous revision
11:22<Sacro>TrueBrain: ^
11:22<@peter1138>Hmm, I guess I just need to buy a pair of large HDDs...
11:23<Eddi|zuHause>i love these message boxes... "Do you want to uninstall?" - "Ja"/"Nein" :p
11:23<Sacro>Nine? Blackadder certainly has his work cut out for him
11:24<TrueBrain>Sacro: just give it a try, and if you don't like it, use SVN
11:24<Sacro>hmm, tortoisehg
11:28<@peter1138>It works.
11:28<@Belugas>there is one? ho my !
11:29<@peter1138>Uh, now I have this server working... what was I going to do with it?
11:30<Sacro>peter1138: openttd nightly wiht ukrs
11:33<@peter1138>Hmm, I should install a compiler D:
11:33<TrueBrain>D compiler? :)
11:34<@peter1138>And rsync, HAH
11:34<Eddi|zuHause>hm... shit... the installer crashes in wine...
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11:35<Chrill>Brianetta: the standard server's passed 2050 without bein restarted!
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11:35<Chrill>which your webbie says we should let you know
11:35<@peter1138>Chrill, no!
11:35<@peter1138>I was playing it!
11:35<@peter1138>Building highways!
11:35<Chrill>It's in 1063
11:35<Chrill>2063, even
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11:36*peter1138 times a make -j 4
11:36<Sacro>Chrill: there is more than 1 admin
11:36<Sacro>there are
11:36<@peter1138>Oh, no makedepend... That's unfair.
11:37*peter1138 ponders running autopilot
11:37<Chrill>well sowwies Sacro. he was here so i highlighted him :P
11:37<Sacro>and I'm not here? D:
11:37<Chrill>you are but his name is higher in -->
11:37<@peter1138>Damn, this server is slower than my Q6600 ;(
11:37<Chrill>also, Brianetta is sexier than you, Ben
11:38<Sacro>s'true :(
11:38<@peter1138>2 minutes :(
11:39<@peter1138>Hmm, no support for dedicated servers without graphics yet :(
11:39<TrueBrain>poor peter1138
11:39<fjb>What happned to the discussion about making vehicle costs an extended byte?
11:40<TrueBrain>peter1138: I have a patch! :p
11:40<@peter1138>You do?
11:41<TrueBrain>a 2 year old patch by now :p
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11:42<@peter1138>Hah, it still needs that :p
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11:43<TrueBrain>you said _graphics_ ;)
11:44<@peter1138>openttd: /home/petern/ottd/nightly/src/spritecache.cpp:489: const void* GetRawSprite(SpriteID, SpriteType): Assertion `sprite < _spritecache_items' failed.
11:44<@peter1138>Ok, this isn't going to work that easily ;)
11:45<TrueBrain>you expected anything else? :)
11:45<@peter1138>dbg: [sprite] Reading grf-file 'null.grf'
11:45<@peter1138>dbg: [sprite] Currently 0 sprites are loaded
11:45<@peter1138>dbg: [sprite] Reading grf-file 'null.grf'
11:45<@peter1138>dbg: [sprite] Currently 4793 sprites are loaded
11:45<@peter1138>TrueBrain, I expected a different error earlier...
11:45<@peter1138>My null.grf is a 0 byte file ;)
11:47<TrueBrain>haha, then I agree with you ;)
11:47<ccfreak2k>I wonder if I can fix Tiberius's patch pack.
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11:50<@peter1138>Woo ;)
11:50<@peter1138>Although nothing is set up...
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11:51<Ammler>TrueBrain: can't you rewrite the url without showing the language code?
11:52<Eddi|zuHause>why oh why doesn't this work?
11:52<TrueBrain>Ammler: why would I want that?
11:52<@peter1138>Ammler, if it doesn't show the language code, how is it rewritten?
11:52<Ammler>TrueBrain: if you copy&paste urls from address bar...
11:53<TrueBrain>Ammler: yeah, I will hack your browser to do that for you
11:53<TrueBrain>no problem
11:53<Eddi|zuHause>store the language in the cookie instead of in the url?
11:53<Ammler>if I call, it does redirect to my language, doesn't?
11:54<Ammler>but if I call the link, peter1138 just pasted, it won't
11:55<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: cookies are not a real option, this website works on all browsers, including thsoe without javascript, and which block cookies :)
11:55<TrueBrain>soon it will store your last language in the cookie, so you are directed to it on your visit
11:55<TrueBrain>as I get annoyed by seeing Dutch every time :p
11:55<TrueBrain>but that is optional
11:55<TrueBrain>the urls will stay how they are
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11:56<Ammler>how does it work now?
11:56<+glx>wb CIA-2
11:57<Ammler>TrueBrain: it does already redirect here...
11:59*peter1138 looks for things to tweak on his server.
11:59<TrueBrain>I always wonder why people worry about things that are not active ... oh well
12:00<Ammler>omg, I just asked, sorry about...
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12:01<Eddi|zuHause>hm, apparently the crash might be in dxdiag
12:01<Ammler>Don't always take everything as a complaint.
12:02<TrueBrain>Ammler: I didn't, else I wouldn't used the word: 'worry'
12:02<TrueBrain>it just amuzes me, that is all
12:03<TrueBrain>so I guess I can say to you: don't take everything so offensive, it is not meant all bad
12:03<TrueBrain>but then again, I can conclude, that IRC sucks, as it misses non-verbal communication
12:03<@peter1138>Hmm, my /proc/kcore is not the same size as the memory....
12:04<TrueBrain>peter1138: sounds bad
12:04<Ammler>yeah, I know, specially, if you don't have a lot of different words in your mind... ;-)
12:04<@peter1138>It's around 900MB.
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12:05<@peter1138>Of course, I don't need 4GB, but it had it, so...
12:05<TrueBrain>Ammler: different words in your mind?
12:05<Ammler>my vocabulary is quite limited :-)
12:06<TrueBrain>we all have that problem from time to time ;)
12:07<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: btw, it is good to have the language in the url, makes search engines index the other languages too, which makes people searching for stuff in their native language find OpenTTD too :)
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12:10<TrueBrain>bah, I really need a 8 GB USB Stick if I want to install OS X here ...
12:10<TrueBrain>I really don't have a DVD Drive :p
12:10<TrueBrain>(not even a CDRom ...)
12:11<Ammler>don't you have usb drives?
12:11<TrueBrain>of course .. who doesn't :p
12:11<TrueBrain>or what kind of drives do you mean?
12:11<Ammler>hmm, usb harddisks maybe :-)
12:12<TrueBrain>I have those, but how does that help?
12:12<TrueBrain>hmm, if I could paritionse them, maybe ..
12:12<@peter1138>Hmm, my built nightly is 72MB :o
12:12<TrueBrain>too much data on it :p
12:12<TrueBrain>poor peter1138
12:13<TrueBrain>the latest nightly release is a total of 102 MiB ...
12:14<Metalcore>how do most of you organize your vehicle groups?
12:15<TrueBrain>lol 10GiB of binaries we already have on :) Ghehehe :) Increases with 100 MiB per night, or 200 MiB if NoAI compiles too ... :p
12:15<TrueBrain>we run out of diskspace in 900 days :p
12:15<Eddi|zuHause>disk space doubles almost every year, so you should be fine :p
12:15<TrueBrain>or 450, depending on how long NoAI stays and compiles :p
12:16<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: that doesn't happen ... just like that :p
12:16<Eddi|zuHause>but... i have been told so!!
12:16<TrueBrain>but we are fine :) As after 30 days, the size of a nightly is reduced to 2 MiB :p
12:16<TrueBrain>which gives us 45000 days
12:16<TrueBrain>@calc 45000 / 366
12:16<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 122.950819672
12:17<@peter1138>Reduced to 2MB?
12:17<TrueBrain>122 years :p
12:17<TrueBrain>peter1138: all binaries are removed, source tars remain
12:17<TrueBrain>the bz2, to be exact
12:17<murray>@calc integrate(F(x)=x^2)
12:17<@DorpsGek>murray: Error: keyword can't be an expression (<string>, line 1)
12:18<TrueBrain>DINNER TIME!!! :) :) :)
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12:19<grasmanek94>i need help
12:19<grasmanek94>can somebody help me with a little problem?
12:19<Ammler>TrueBrain: another, only question, about the binaries archive, why does it need so many different archive formats?
12:19<Ammler>is there a linux os without support for bzip2?
12:19<murray>grasmanek94: just ask the question
12:19<grasmanek94>no i want to know where i can dwnload hight maps or how to make them
12:20<Eddi|zuHause>grasmanek94: search in the forum
12:20<Ammler>grasmanek94: there is a nice tut on the formus, afaik
12:20<Eddi|zuHause>it's a sticky, i believe
12:20<grasmanek94>u may give the lnk?
12:20<grasmanek94>for the tut
12:21<grasmanek94>a more precised lnk
12:21<Eddi|zuHause>it's only two clicks away from there...
12:22<grasmanek94>ok i go take a look
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12:22<@peter1138>Ammler, yes, one that's just been installed.
12:22<Ammler>must be debian then :P
12:23<Ammler>or lfs
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12:25<TrueBrain>[18:19] <Ammler> is there a linux os without support for bzip2? <- yes, any debian out of the box
12:25<TrueBrain>[18:19] <Ammler> TrueBrain: another, only question, about the binaries archive, why does it need so many different archive formats <- mostly, because we can
12:26<TrueBrain>there is no real reason to produce so many binaries every night .. but we can, so why wouldn't we?
12:26<Eddi|zuHause>hm... for being knight rider, it's going unbelievably slow ...
12:26<TrueBrain>some people flavor .zip, oehter .tar.gz, others .tar.bz2 .. well .. they can pick what ever they want with us ;)
12:26<Ammler>TrueBrain: because you do not keep them forever...
12:26<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: 377 mph, slow? :p
12:26<TrueBrain>Ammler: there are limits ;)
12:27<Eddi|zuHause>no, 14kb/s slow :p
12:27<Ammler>Rubidium: spoke from 1-2 months...
12:27<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: hehe
12:27<TrueBrain>you should leech from me :p
12:27<TrueBrain>oh, my food is burning (again)
12:27<TrueBrain>I should close IRC when cooking ..
12:27<Eddi|zuHause>there is this genious invention, it's a clock timer that you can set to X minutes, and it rings, before the food burns
12:29*peter1138 prods at Brianetta-space
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12:55<Metalcore>does YAPP present a better way to create passing loops?
12:55<Metalcore>assuming there are no other signals on the line
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13:29<@Belugas>tsoin tsoin
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13:29*TrueBrain waves at Belugas
13:30*orudge waves at TrueBrain
13:30<TrueBrain>oh no, it is an orudge
13:30<TrueBrain>RUN! RUN!!
13:31<TrueBrain>orudge: you have something in your nose
13:31*Belugas looks at TrueBrain right between the eyes, raises an eyebrow, takes a deep breath and go surfing on TrueBrain's wawve :D
13:31<@orudge>that'd be because I am a lion
13:31<TrueBrain>lol @ Belugas
13:31<TrueBrain>orudge: does that supose to scare me?
13:32<@orudge>perhaps I could pretend to be the Mac OS X SDK
13:32<@orudge>maybe that'll scare you? :D
13:32<@orudge>or at least, frustrate you
13:32*TrueBrain starts running
13:32<TrueBrain>lol, I am watching The Wrong Door (S01E01) ... very cool intro :p
13:33<@orudge>I am preparing to go to the US for the weekend
13:33<TrueBrain>what are you going to do there?
13:33<@orudge>except my flight is at a silly time in the morning
13:33<@orudge>so I'm going to be very tired
13:33<@orudge>I'm being paid to go to WineConf, which is nice.
13:33<TrueBrain>I want that too!!!
13:33<@orudge>OpenTTDConf? Paid for by donations? ;)
13:34<TrueBrain>have fun being there ;)
13:34<@orudge>I'm literally getting on a plane at 6am though (which means leaving here about 2am), getting in about 1pm there, then the conference on Saturday and Sunday, getting back on the plane at about 7pm Sunday, and back here Monday afternoon
13:34<@orudge>so it'll be very hectic and tiring, methinks
13:36<TrueBrain>at least buy a Mac there ;)
13:37<@orudge>the second-to-last time I went to the US, I bought a new iPod
13:37<@orudge>what I want this time is some more hard disk storage
13:37<@orudge>although, when I went to the US the first time and brought back a hard disk, it died within about 2 weeks.T
13:37<@orudge>The replacement disk also didn't work
13:37<@orudge>the replacement for that, touch wood, is still working
13:37<@peter1138>Hmm, are the difficulty setting numbers documented anywhere?
13:37<@orudge>they're not documented as such
13:38<@orudge>but it's fairly obvious
13:38<@orudge>at least, I figured them all out for the UTTGR and other tools
13:38<@peter1138>The what?
13:38<@orudge>the Repository
13:38<@orudge>you should know that by now, I go on about it enough at times :p
13:39<@peter1138>I never pay any attention to what anyone ever says.
13:39<TrueBrain>peter1138: at least you are honest about that :p
13:40<@orudge>I do tend to pay attention, then I just forget it
13:40<@peter1138>Actually yes, that's more likely :)
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13:45<ccfreak2k>Why is applying a patch using Kompare such a pain in the ass?
13:46<Eddi|zuHause>why don't you simply apply a patch with patch?
13:46<ccfreak2k>Because the patch doesn't apply against new revisions of openttd, so I want to see what's wrong and make the necessary corrections.
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13:49<Ammler>frosch123: not wrong OpenTTD is the "next Patch" :-P
13:50<frosch123>I fear mb bashing me :)
13:50<Ammler>yeah, I thought the same :-)
13:52<frosch123>though I would expect, that the ctrl-clicking would also apply to ttdp
13:53<Ammler>there are at least settings for...
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13:59<ccfreak2k>Is this right?
13:59<ccfreak2k>Or legal.
13:59<TrueBrain>depends greatly on what you expect it to do
13:59<TrueBrain>but most likely it is not what you want
14:00<TrueBrain>(as it makes no sense at all)
14:01<ccfreak2k>Actually, it's for VisualC project files which are XML IIRc.
14:01<ccfreak2k>So it probably is legal,
14:02<TrueBrain>legal, most likely, just doubtful that what you want, or expect it to do
14:02<ccfreak2k>According to the patch, that specific part already exists in the original openttf vcproj file.
14:11<Metalcore>is there a way to say that a vehicle should only pick up passengers bound for a certain destination?
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14:13<ccfreak2k>Lots of rejected files by patch.
14:13<ccfreak2k>Better get started..
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14:21<@peter1138>Hmm, what happened to the compile?
14:22<@peter1138>Right, UKRS nightly up and running :D
14:23<TrueBrain>which compile?
14:23<@peter1138>Seems to be yesterdays, unless I can't read.
14:23<TrueBrain>peter1138: maybe because the current is still running?
14:23<TrueBrain>takes 25 minutes for it to complete
14:23<@peter1138>Still? :o
14:23<TrueBrain>so a minute of 2, and it should be done
14:24<TrueBrain>nothing new there, it always completed around 20:30
14:24<Metalcore>with cargodest, will subsidies still be taken if there's an intermediate stop?
14:25<@peter1138>TrueBrain, just it used to update the nightly page incrementally ;)
14:25<TrueBrain>peter1138: there is no longer a view inside the current compile
14:25<TrueBrain>well, there will be a page which shows that, but nothing that shows up on the main page
14:25<TrueBrain>when it is done, it is published, and everything is updated
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:26:52] Task 0000114 finished
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:26:52] Job 0000375 finished in 397 seconds
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:26:52][Thread 3] Job 0000375 finished
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:27:08] Scheduled task 0000007 finished
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:00:00] Scheduled task 0000007 started
14:27<TrueBrain>[2008-09-25 18:00:05] Task 0000114 created (svn://, r14398)
14:27<TrueBrain>it was a bit slow today :)
14:28<ccfreak2k>I have a question about coding style.
14:28<ccfreak2k>If most of the source files are C++, why are C-style comments used?
14:29<@peter1138>We like C-style comments.
14:29<@Rubidium>because changing compiler is easier than changing style
14:30<TrueBrain>and it just looks SO MUCH better
14:30<@Belugas>because changing for changing is useless
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14:34<ccfreak2k>Did IsRailWaypointTile() change recently?
14:34<@Belugas>what does svn blame tells you about that?
14:34<ccfreak2k>Beats me. The only SVN commands I ever use are co and update.
14:35<@Belugas>well.. time to learn a new one ;)
14:35<@Belugas>the more knowledge, the more power
14:35<murray>then i am almighty!
14:37<@Rubidium>murray: then you, our almightiness, should be able to fix FS#119
14:39<murray>clipping? that's easy as pie
14:39<murray>however, i will not waste my brilliance on you foolish mortals
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14:39<@Belugas>do you all feel like i do regarding murray?
14:39*Rubidium waves murray good bye
14:40<murray>ok ok
14:40<murray>i'll take a look
14:40<murray>give me a week and i'll have a patch
14:44<Yexo>ccfreak2k: IsRailWaypointTile was added about a week ago iirc
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14:53<@Belugas>Yexo, i wonder if that would mean "thanks"
14:53<Yexo>Belugas: that or it lacks a question mark
14:54<@Belugas>a primitive question mark, like pre-histoic men would say :D
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14:58<@Belugas>yup, IsRailwaypointTile was ADDED to trunk in r14280 by Smatz
14:58<@Belugas>thanks blame
15:00<@Belugas>and it is unchanged since then
15:00<frosch123>You should have used "svn praise" :)
15:05<ccfreak2k>I think I'm gonna give up on Tiberius's patch pack for now.
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15:09<ccfreak2k>There aren't enough hours in the day. >:|
15:09<Rexxars>truer words were never spoken
15:10<@Belugas>except when you're still at work. Then, you think there is WAY too much hours a day
15:10<Rexxars>not if you have an awesome job, like me
15:11<@Bjarni>Rexxars: what is your job then?
15:11<@Bjarni>condom tester?
15:11<ccfreak2k>I don't MIND my job; it's just that it consumes time in my day that would probably be better spent doing something else.
15:11<FauxFaux>There are if you get your sleep down to 5h/night.
15:11<Rexxars>I develop web applications :)
15:11<FauxFaux>Then there just aren't enough in the night. :p
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15:14<planetmaker>good evening OpenTTD :)
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15:23<@Belugas>a job is always as fun as it can be when pressure is not applied to you, or when you are your own boss and can say fuck you to stupid customers
15:23<@Belugas>hello planetmaker
15:24<planetmaker>hey Belugas :)
15:25<planetmaker>it's nice to come back after a week and see again so much progress :)
15:25<planetmaker>many bug fixes and even a new rc !
15:26<Nite_Owl>If you own your own business and say "fuck you" to your customers (most of which are going to be stupid) you will not be in business long
15:26<@peter1138>And then you'll have lots of free time :D
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15:28<Ammler>frosch123: he does use already the "new patch" ;-)
15:30<@peter1138>16:29 Sacro> peter1138: openttd nightly wiht ukrs
15:30<@peter1138>The least he could do is play on it :o
15:32<frosch123>Ammler: hehe, though I guess he did not understood my edit :p
15:32<@peter1138>He who what where why when how?
15:33<Ammler>a german guy thinks OpenTTD is the "next/new" Patch :-
15:33<@peter1138>Oh, on your silly German forums, I bet?
15:34<@Belugas>one thing for sure, that could not be MB
15:34<Ammler>yeah, we wait for his comments about :-)
15:34<planetmaker>:P yeah, not MB, I guess...
15:35<Ammler>about that guy.
15:35<@peter1138>You guys should write in English on those forums so that everyone can read it.
15:36<Ammler>that is our private comedy :P
15:37<@peter1138>'OpenTTD can now DOS and Windows GRFs "mix"'
15:37<planetmaker>peter: you should learn German :P
15:37<@peter1138>You've infected Google translator with your ludicrous grammar.
15:37<stillunknown>Anyone know if there are well thoughout combinations of newgrf's (for openttdcoop's pack for example)?
15:37<Ammler>german is also not my native language
15:37<Metalcore>i've taken three years of german <_<
15:38<+glx>Ammler: what's your native language then?
15:38<planetmaker>some incomprehensible mountain-derivative of German :P
15:38<+glx>I think there are 3 languages in ch
15:39<planetmaker>glx: the Switzerdütch is nearly worth to be considered a language on its own as it's virtually impossible to understand that dialect, even if you're German native speaker.
15:39<planetmaker>It's to me as comprehensible as Dutch.
15:40<+glx>I don't count Switzerdütch in the 3 languages ;)
15:40<Ammler>glx: swiss german
15:41<Ammler>glx: germans don't understand us, does it count then as it's own language?
15:42<Ammler>hmm, I should first read up, before replying...
15:43<@peter1138>Brrr, 'tis cold.
15:43<planetmaker>:P sorry Ammler :) I couldn't resist my sloppy description of Switzerdütch :)
15:43<TrueBrain>peter1138: turn up the heat
15:43<@peter1138>I'd have to turn it on first.
15:43<Ammler>we use the german for writings, so it is not a excuse for me, anyway :-)
15:43<TrueBrain>peter1138: sounds like a plan
15:44<TrueBrain>write a patch for it!
15:44<Nite_Owl>stillunknown: The choices are yours to make. The usually setup is to pick a country or region and then load all of the grfs that apply to it.
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15:44<Ammler>[21:38] <glx> I think there are 3 languages in ch <-- you might have forgotten roman (derivate of latin)
15:45<TrueBrain>hi Wolf01 :) :)
15:46<+glx>Ammler: hmm right, French, German, Italian + another one
15:46<Nite_Owl>oops - The usual setup
15:46<Wolf01>eheh I'm having fun with my new wacom bamboo :D
15:46<Ammler>my ) is upcase 9 and almost broken
15:46<stillunknown>Nite_Owl: any good road vehicle sets?
15:47<@peter1138>Uppercase 9? Haha
15:47<@peter1138>As an aside, ASCII only has uppercase numbers. Lowercase numbers are different.
15:48<Wolf01>now I only need pen support to OTTD
15:48<Ammler>you know, what I meant
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15:49<@peter1138>That page demonstrates upper and lowercase numbers.
15:49<Nite_Owl>stillunknown: Again either country related or my personal preference is the EGTRVS
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15:50<Wolf01>you really should try to play OTTD with a graphic board, laying things with a pen is an orgasm :Q_
15:50<blathijs>Wolf01: You mean like a pen tablet (eg wacom) ?
15:51<Wolf01>I mean that
15:51<blathijs>Wolf01: The only problem I have with that, is that the scrolling works totally counter intuitive
15:51<@peter1138>Hmm, I don't think even unicode has lowercase numbers :o
15:51<blathijs>Or was that fixed since I last tried it?
15:51<Nite_Owl>Oops again - That is EGRVTS
15:51<@peter1138>blathijs, there's a toggle for that, I believe.
15:51<Wolf01>you can set the scrolling direction
15:52<blathijs>Yeah, but even when the direction is correct, it is still accelerated, which feels wrong with a pen
15:52<Ammler>nice page, thanks peter1138
15:52<blathijs>at least in my experience
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15:53<Wolf01>if you use a pen as a mouse set the mouse acceleration option
15:53<Wolf01>I can't use the pen in pen mode, unless I can see what I'm clicking on, like on touch screens
15:54<Wolf01>*unless (WTF?) -> until
15:54<@peter1138>Bloody hell
15:57<Nite_Owl>Sweden does have a very high suicide rate
15:57<@Bjarni>not as high as Finland
15:58<@Bjarni>Finland has the highest rate of suicides in the world
15:59<blathijs>Wolf01: I use my tablet in pen mode, since having it in mouse mode drives my crazy (especially with acceleration on)
15:59<blathijs>My girlfriend uses that, so I usually use the touchpad instead, when working on her laptop :-)
16:00<Nite_Owl>Seasonal darkness disorder - or whatever it is called
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16:06<Metalcore>seasonal affective disorder
16:06<Nite_Owl>Thank you - I thought I had it wrong
16:09<@Bjarni>how can you have a darkness disorder?
16:11<Metalcore>absorbing too much light?
16:13<Nite_Owl>Too much time spent in the dark causes depression. If you have longer periods of darkness (days, weeks, months) the closer you get to the arctic circle then the more depressed you get and the more suicidal. Of course none of that applies to Nite Owls.
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16:31<Prof_Frink>Yeah, but you have mountains.
16:31<Prof_Frink>Mountains make me non-depressed.
16:37<@Belugas>Ho to live on Sugar Mountains.
16:38<@Belugas>with the flowers and the color ballons
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16:38<@Belugas>yea, color, and not colour, since it's Neil Young who sang that
16:38<@Belugas>and he's canado-americam
16:40*Prof_Frink is going to play with mountains at the weekend
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16:44<Prof_Frink>Metalcore: Que?
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16:46<@Bjarni>you should take better care with your balloon near that cactus
16:46<@Bjarni>I can hear a leak
16:47<ln>Wolf01|AWAY: no away nicks
16:47<@Belugas>big leak
16:47<@Bjarni>you scared me
16:48<@Bjarni>don't make such loud and sudden noises :(
16:48<@Belugas>(that was me whispering sorry)
16:49<@Bjarni>sorry is 5 letters, not 4 :P
16:49<@Belugas>since when i do not make typos?????
16:50<@Bjarni>good point
16:50<@Bjarni>you make them all the time
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16:50<@Bjarni>makes me wonder about your code
16:51<Prof_Frink>makes me wonder about your cock
16:51<@Bjarni>I mean the version you try to compile before showing it to the rest of us
16:51<@Belugas>code is fine, but i would not say the same about my comments :)
16:51<@Belugas>you know, when i show something during the day, 99% chances it willnot compile ;)
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16:52<@Bjarni>Prof_Frink: this isn't the normal internet. Here we allow intelligence and we don't have to put sex into everything
16:52<Prof_Frink>The interporn is for net.
16:53<@SmatZ>src/console_internal.h: * eg. 'say "hello sexy boy"'
16:53<@SmatZ>the only "sex" in OTTD sources
16:53<@SmatZ>except lang files
16:54<Eddi|zuHause><Belugas> a job is always as fun as it can be when pressure is not applied to you <- i tend to not get anything done at all when i have no pressure
16:54*Belugas does not put sex into "everything" out of internet either... dunno waht's the usual practive for Bjarni...
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16:54<@Bjarni><SmatZ> except lang files <-- now that makes me wonder about the quality of the translations
16:55<@orudge>"Error: cannot remove clothes from body" as a translation of "cannot remove obstacles on land"?
16:55<@orudge>Belugas sex doesn't sex put sex sex sex into sex everything sex?
16:55*Bjarni locks Eddi|zuHause in a pressure chamber and raises the pressure by 500%
16:55<@SmatZ>"Finansexperter" in swedish.txt and desexa/sexa in galician.txt
16:55<@orudge>Prof_Frink: that's implied by "orudge", no?
16:55<@Bjarni>Eddi|zuHause: now you should be able to do something out of the ordinary
16:56<@SmatZ>orudge: sex sexn't sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex sex?
16:56<Eddi|zuHause>'did you mean: "smurf"?'
16:56<@Bjarni>* Belugas does not put sex into "everything" out of internet either... dunno waht's the usual practive for Bjarni... <-- I was trying to reach Prof_Frink. I had to state what the truth is in his point of view or he would have though that I was making it all up
16:57<@Bjarni>SmatZ: you sound like a sexy smurf
16:57<@Bjarni>I have yet to encounter one of those though
16:57<@Bjarni>never thought about that concept before
16:58<Prof_Frink>alan@frinkpad:~/src/openttd/trunk/src/lang$ grep -i bork swedish.txt
16:58<Prof_Frink>Hmm, something's wrong there
16:58<@SmatZ> not bad
16:58<@Belugas>Hello Alan!
16:58<@SmatZ>hello Belugas
16:59<Prof_Frink>Hello Belugas.
16:59<@Belugas>? you're not Alan, as far as i remember :S
16:59<@Belugas>Hello anyway, SmatZ :)
16:59<@Bjarni>who is Alan?
17:00<@Bjarni>and why do you talk to somebody who isn't here?
17:00<Prof_Frink>I'm Spartacus!
17:00*Belugas sends glasses to Bjarni and asks him to scroll back a few moments
17:00<@Bjarni>I am Spartacus
17:00<@Belugas>i'm Asparagus!
17:02<@Belugas>i'm Leavingus
17:02<Prof_Frink>I'm cunnili-never mind.
17:02<@Belugas>i'm gone
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17:10<Nite_Owl>Were you trying to say that you are a cunning linguist
17:10<Yexo>hello Celestar
17:10<Yexo>what is the current status of cargodest?
17:11<Ammler>My guess ;-) (replace boost and it will go to trunk :-)
17:12<@Bjarni>why replace boost?
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17:59<@Bjarni>now the channel died :(
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18:03<bleepy>LA LA LA
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18:03*bleepy revives everyone
18:06*bleepy failed in his quest
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18:09<Nite_Owl>Just consider it an extended LULL in the conversation
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18:18<@Bjarni>still idle...
18:18<@Bjarni>the next guy not say anything will be kicked
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18:18<@Bjarni>not that :P
18:19<Prof_Frink>Was the obvious thing to do.
18:27<+glx>would have been fun with me not in the channel
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18:52<Nite_Owl>Feeding time - L8r all
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