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---Logopened Sat Feb 07 00:00:50 2009
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04:35<dihedral>reset_company seems to not be working anymore!
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04:58<@petern> /* If the server is a spectator, it may only do server commands! */
04:58<@petern> if (_current_company == COMPANY_SPECTATOR && (cmd_flags & CMD_SERVER) == 0) return false;
04:58<@petern>no warning :D
05:02<dihedral>petern, however, autoclean works
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05:03<dihedral>and autoclean sends the same DoCommandP
05:04<Alberth>good morning
05:04<dihedral>hi Wolf01
05:06<dihedral>petern, DoCommandP(0, 2, c->index, CMD_COMPANY_CTRL); <- sent from autoclean
05:06<dihedral>DoCommandP(0, 2, index, CMD_COMPANY_CTRL); <- send from reset_company
05:07<@petern>console command is done as COMPANY_SPECTATOR
05:07<@petern>autoclean is done as OWNER_NONE
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05:09<dihedral>petern, introduce COMPANY_DEDICATED_SERVER :-P
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05:11<dihedral>thankfully pause and unpause still works :-P
05:12<@petern>i suggest you put it on flyspray like a good little bug reporter
05:13<dihedral>will do
05:13<dihedral>somehow that if block does not make a bunch of sense to me
05:14<dihedral>perhaps once Rubidium wakes up he can enlighten us :-P
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05:21<dihedral>CMD_SERVER ///< the command can only be initiated by the server
05:21<Wolf01>meanwhile, there is anyone who can help me on adding newgrf graphics to roadstops?
05:21<dihedral>now that makes it hard to do that for CMD_COMPANY_CTRL
05:22<frosch123>Wolf01: increment ROADSTOP_SPRITE_COUNT
05:23<Wolf01>ok, but then how do I use the sprites?
05:23<frosch123>create a newgrf consisting of one action 8, one action 5 and followed by the sprites
05:23<frosch123>draw sprite SPR_ROADSTOP_BASE + index
05:24<Wolf01>good, I'll try it
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05:24<frosch123>you should also checkout svn://
05:25<frosch123>and copy the existing roadstop graphics from there
05:25<frosch123>you can also copy the action5 from there, but have to increment the "number of sprites" in it
05:28<Eddi|zuHause># Sie ist ein Model und sie sieht gut aus
05:28<Eddi|zuHause># ich nähm sie so gerne mit zu mir nach Haus
05:28*dihedral hums
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05:37<dihedral># denn sie steht nur auf fraun und ich bin leider nur ein mann
05:38<Wolf01>gah, errors compiling squirrel things... retry with msys
05:39*frosch123 ponders cleaning his desk
05:39<OsteHovel^EEE>Wolf01, you compiling with MinGW?
05:41<Wolf01>I usually use vs80, but I switch to mingw when things go wrong
05:42*OsteHovel^EEE uses GCC for Linux Builds and MinGW for cross-compiling to windows :D (/me is always building using DistCC to compile on more than 1 server at a time)
05:43<Wolf01>ok, linking succeeded, so it is vs80 which is broken
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05:47<@petern>works for me
05:51<Wolf01>good, I made ottd to crash loading a grf
05:52<dihedral>nice Wolf01
05:53<Wolf01>I think it has something to do with the change I made on sprites.h
05:54<Wolf01>(I should not touch what I don't know)
05:55<Wolf01>ooooh, I'm stupid... the grf is not automatically loaded
05:56<Wolf01>yes now it doesn't crash
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05:57<Wolf01>but seem that I didn't load the right graphics :/
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06:03<dihedral> <- haha
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06:07<Wolf01>uhm, there's something I can't understand, I found where it draws the road, I found other parts where it draws catenary and tram tracks but I can't find where it draws the infrastructures o_O
06:08<Wolf01>it should be in the dtss (drawtileseqstruct)
06:08<Wolf01>yes, I'm there
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06:10<frosch123>_station_display_datas_bus, _station_display_datas_truck in station_land.h
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06:14<Wolf01>nice, this is really complicate
06:16<dihedral>will give it a try Rubidium
06:17<dihedral>however, that lets me assume that spectators could not create a new company as the patch marks it a 'server' only command?
06:18<@Rubidium>company creation goes via another route
06:18<dihedral>Rubidium, i get a kick as soon as i join the server (with wanting to create a company)
06:18<dihedral>where does creating a company go another route?
06:18<@Rubidium>via NetworkSend_Command
06:19<dihedral>WARNING: server only command from client 2 (IP:, kicking...
06:19<dihedral>well - eitherway
06:19<dihedral>it kicked me for that :-P
06:20<@Rubidium>ah... server side checking ;)
06:21<@Rubidium>new diff
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06:22<dihedral>now that's a hack :-P
06:22<@Rubidium>but CMD_COMPANY_CTRL is kinda a hack anyways
06:23<dihedral>i'll give it a shot, hang on
06:23<@petern>2 wrongs makes 1 right?
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06:23<dihedral>Rubidium, have an idea how that CMD could be cleaned up?
06:23<@petern>i couldn't create a new company on a non-dedicated server, heh
06:23<@Rubidium>oh... I see petern has a better solution for the problem
06:23<@petern>as server
06:24<@petern>you could add a new flag just for that feature, heh
06:24<@petern>waste of effort
06:24<dihedral>Rubidium, why not clean it up properly, i mean CMD_COMPANY_CTRL
06:24<dihedral>while at it
06:24<@Rubidium>it's not about cleaning up the command
06:24<@Rubidium>it's about allowing commands to be ran as spectator
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06:28<dihedral>Rubidium, works fine
06:28<@Rubidium>new diff, less hacky
06:29<dihedral>i was gonna suggest something along those lines :-P
06:29<dihedral>with a CMD_SPECTATOR
06:29<@petern>so a new flag is not that much effort after all :D
06:29<@petern>i like that one
06:30<@petern>did you shuffle the order for fun?>
06:30<@Rubidium>petern: yes ;)
06:30<@Rubidium>just to group the stuff a bit
06:31*dihedral compiles
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06:34<dihedral>that'll take a while
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06:48<dihedral>Rubidium, works great :-)
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07:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15395 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp command_type.h network/network_server.cpp): -Fix [FS#2611] (r15377): one couldn't reset companies anymore in a 'dedicated' server.
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07:05<@Rubidium>no, I don't... stupid SpamIRC client
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08:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r15396 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#2601](r15027): since AIs can have vehicle groups now, convert the groups correctly
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09:51<AgentLeMan>hello everybody :o)
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10:01<AgentLeMan>why got multicore support rejected? ( i have a single core CPU, so i dont care, just curious )
10:02<frosch123>because there are hardly independent tasks
10:03<AgentLeMan>meaning, there isnt at all anything that would require more than one core, expecially not for the amount of work in such a change, right?
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10:03<+glx>and we use multicore for aving ;)
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10:04<+glx>it's not a problem of requiring multicore or not, it's a problem of doing it correctly (without slowing down single core)
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10:05<AgentLeMan>yes, i can see that
10:05<+glx>and for openttd it's very hard to do (and not really needed either)
10:05<@Rubidium>planetmaker: how's the font detection goin?
10:05<AgentLeMan>anyone want to show me, how i apply a diff?
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10:07<Progman>patch -p0 < your_patch.diff
10:08<AgentLeMan>ah, thank you :o)
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10:15<OsteHovel^EEE>multicore is not needed in a game like openTTD if you wanna to use your cores compile with more than 1 thread :p
10:16<|Japa|>32bpp, however, need all the CPU it can get
10:16<AgentLeMan>OsteHovel^EEE: see initial question ;oP
10:18<AgentLeMan>if i checkout with turtoiseSVN, i get the last nightly as source?
10:18<Aali>you get the latest revision
10:19<AgentLeMan>hm, where can isee, which version that is?
10:19<Aali>which could be the latest nightly, but it could also be a newer version
10:19<@Rubidium>anyone with a mac who can test whether starts and whether hebrew looks like I'm especially interested whether the order is the same. You need to set a font to get hebrew characters.
10:19<Aali>AgentLeMan: svn log -l 1
10:20<Aali>oh right, tortoise
10:20<Aali>no idea
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10:22<AgentLeMan>Aali, ah got it, 15396, thanks :o)
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10:33<Swallow>waypoint_gui.cpp uses CheckOwnership, which checks against current instead of local company
10:33<Swallow>this may need a fix similar to r15336
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11:02<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15397 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2618]: a town could build a statue under a bridge.
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11:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r15398 /trunk/src/waypoint_gui.cpp: -Fix (r14135): _current_company shouldn't be used in GUI code (Swallow)
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11:17<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r15399 /trunk/src/newgrf_engine.cpp: -Fix [FS#2617]: For articulated parts v->cargo_type == CT_INVALID is possible.
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11:23<CIA-1>OpenTTD: frosch * r15400 /trunk/src/ai/api/ (ai_event_types.hpp ai_industry.hpp ai_industrytype.hpp): -Fix: Typos in comments.
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12:01<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r15401 /trunk/src/ai/ai_core.cpp: -Fix [FS#2619](r15027): AI::Stop changed _current_company, but didn't restore its original value
12:02<Eddi|zuHause>companies are a bitch. we should abolish them
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12:24<Eddi|zuHause># Darling, don't give me shit
12:24<Eddi|zuHause># 'Cause i know, that you're full of it
12:24<SmatZ>ewww romantic
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13:09<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r15402 /trunk/src/command.cpp: -Codechange: verify _current_company didn't change when executing a command
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13:27<Roujin>heh, I've just updated an ancient patch
13:27<Roujin>from r4576
13:29<frosch123>no, you rewrote it
13:30<Roujin>yes, actually I didn't apply anything nor did any c&p...
13:31<Roujin>so I rewrote it, then ;)
13:33<Roujin>parts of the old one were obsolete anyways, because it was already implemented in trunk meanwhile
13:34<Roujin>it's the waypoint statistics (trains passed this month, last month & highest)..
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13:44<Roujin> :)
13:46<Swallow>Looks nice.. not sure whether I like the white text though
13:47<Roujin>the wording, or the color?
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13:47<Swallow>the colour, black seems more natural to me
13:48<Roujin>ah, you're right
13:48<Roujin>black is more normal
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r15403 /trunk/src/lang/ (17 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-02-07 18:48:00
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: arabic_egypt - 6 fixed by khaloofah (6)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 15 fixed by tucalipe (15)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 3 fixed by arnaullv (3)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 2 fixed, 21 changed by Yexo (21), Excel20 (2)
13:48<CIA-1>OpenTTD: finnish - 3 fixed by jpx_ (3)
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13:51<Roujin>I shall change it right away... any other remarks?
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13:53<Hirundo>Roujin: maybe use InvalidateWindowClasses(...) instead of invalidating every window independently in the monthly loop
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13:55<Roujin>Hirundo: does that have any advantage if I have to iterate through the waypoints anyway to update their stats?
13:57<Swallow>less function calls
13:57<Roujin>oh, I just looked at the particular functions, it is indeed better
13:57<Roujin>yep, changed that. thanks
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14:04<Roujin>upped the new version..
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14:21<Roujin_>the german translations the webtranslator update just included are..... urgh :P
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14:51*dihedral wonders where the nightlies are
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14:52<@Rubidium>it's waiting for Apple
14:53<Roujin>yes, the compile farm runs on fruits...
14:55<kd5pbo>Why's it waiting on Apple?
14:56<@Rubidium>cause the OSX compile is horribly slow
14:56<@Rubidium>takes more than half an hour to make the OSX binary
14:56<kd5pbo>Oh, wow.
14:57<@Rubidium>kd5pbo: that's what I'd like to know too
14:57<@Rubidium>partly it's due to the fat binary containing 3 binaries
14:57<@Rubidium>but even then it's slower than MSVC release
14:57<kd5pbo>One for Intel
14:57<kd5pbo>One for PPC
14:57<kd5pbo>What's the third for?
15:00<@Rubidium>OSX took a mere 1854
15:01<@Rubidium>win9x + win32 + win64 'only' 531 + 500 + 546 = 1577 seconds
15:04<@Rubidium>for Windows that includes starting/stopping windows 3 times, extracting the sources 3 times and making the language files 3 time. For OSX it's one boot+shutdown and extraction+lang generation happens also only once
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15:13<el_en>a G5 is not PPC?
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15:17<Roujin>what to do.. what to do..
15:18<@Rubidium>fix some bugs?
15:18<Roujin>which ones?
15:19<@Rubidium>anything < FS#2500?
15:19<@Rubidium>except the cargodest stuff
15:20<Roujin>don't you mean > #2500 ?
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15:21<@Rubidium>being able to reproduce FS#2429/FS#2365 and fixing that would be very helpful
15:23<@Rubidium>you could also update the wiki's documentation
15:26<Roujin>that I can do.. but right now someone needs the internet cable heh
15:27<Roujin>so.. until later :)
15:27<@Rubidium>the < FS#2500 can be fixed without internet
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15:41<el_en>he could've converted ottd to c#.
15:43<NukeBuster222>some issues with --with-png what exactly needs to be behind it
15:43<NukeBuster222>i have libpng-config (which is available)
15:43<NukeBuster222>but it doesn't work.
15:44<@Rubidium>so you need to fix libpng-config
15:45<NukeBuster222>you supplied '/usr/bin/libpng-config', but it seems invalid
15:45<NukeBuster222>it really is at that location...
15:46<NukeBuster222>do i need a specific version?
15:46<NukeBuster222>i have 2:1.2.10-7.1
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15:49<@Rubidium>hmm... who gives such messed up version?
15:49<NukeBuster>yum :P
15:50<@Rubidium>what does /usr/bin/libpng-config --version do?
15:51<@Rubidium>I reckon giving an error
15:51<NukeBuster>something with packageconfig
15:52<@Rubidium>that's not very meaningful to me
15:52<@Rubidium>it should return the version
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15:52<@Rubidium>like 1.2.27
15:52<NukeBuster>libpng is not in the searchpath of pkg-config
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15:53<@Rubidium>so there's some local configuration error of libpng/pkgconfig
15:53<NukeBuster>i'm already searching for the libpng.pc file to check if it happens to be misplaced
15:55*dihedral laughs at 2429
15:55<dihedral>fs2429 that is
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16:53<joepie91>hey all
16:53<joepie91>i got a little question again :P
16:53<joepie91>my map is so big on my multiplayer server, that everybody times out because there are too many packets being sent
16:53<joepie91>is there any way to solve this, except for resetting my server? :P
16:53<joepie91>(i am somewhere in year 2500 now, and the cities have grown quite big.. which means a lot of DoCommands)
16:56<el_en>maybe get more bandwidth?
17:04<joepie91>it's on a 100mbit server
17:04<joepie91>that should be enough for an openttd server :P
17:04<joepie91>and i had someone else test it
17:04<joepie91>he is on 100mbit as well
17:04<joepie91>and got desynced
17:04<joepie91>so even with both ends on 100mbit, it desyncs
17:06<joepie91>(I'm using Mega's Europe Map on a cargodest server, and its running for over 500 years now)
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17:13<el_en>is it that CPU load is too high then?
17:13<joepie91>lemme check
17:14<joepie91>nope, only 15% on the server, and 10% on my pc
17:14<joepie91>it is running in dedicated mode, btw
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17:23<@Rubidium>joepie91: you're probably hitting a bug that's already fixed in trunk
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17:25<joepie91>but trunk doesnt have cargodest :(
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17:31<joepie91>so there are no other solutions?
17:32<el_en>find a girlfriend and openttd desyncs will start feeling very unimportant.
17:34<thingwath>not if you want to play openttd with her
17:34<kd5pbo>I tried that once.
17:34<kd5pbo>Didn't work so well.
17:34<joepie91>i'm gay, so that wouldn't work :P
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17:41<joepie91>and there was a silence :P
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17:44<Zahl>why is the only train i can build in 2048 the SH40 and not the asiastar? O.o
17:44<Mark_>because you didnt electrify your depot, probably
17:44<@Rubidium>the magic of random
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17:51<Zahl>Mark_: i mean they disappeard from the lift of buildable engines
17:51<Zahl>and i think i disabled electric rails
17:52<@petern>bah, servers playing up again?
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17:53<@Rubidium>it's a cargodest server
17:54<@petern>hmm, at least ssh is working, i suppose
17:55<@Rubidium>oh, you're talking 'bout another server
17:56<@petern>i'm talking about what provides our web-stuffs
17:56<@petern>which magically started working
17:57<@Rubidium>the magic of leaky lighty
17:59<@Rubidium>which is really annoying as we can't reliably reproduce it
17:59<@Rubidium>and it doesn't leak in a manner that valgrind catches it
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18:05<@Rubidium>so it's caching something, but it doesn't clear the caching of it
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20:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: michi_cc * r15404 /trunk/src/yapf/yapf_node.hpp: -Cleanup [YAPF]: A tiny bit of const correctness.
20:14<Eddi|zuHause>hm... am i feeling adventurous enough to install a new graphics driver?
20:17<@Rubidium>on OSX?
20:18<Eddi|zuHause>on openSUSE, with an ATI card
20:18<@Rubidium>can't say anything sensible about either
20:19<@Rubidium>the last ATI I had was like two renumberings ago (5 years)
20:19<Eddi|zuHause>well, the card is as old as that
20:19<Eddi|zuHause>but the driver gets hopefully improved over time
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>the driver i have installed is 8.something, the current driver is 9.1
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20:22<KAYSENESCAL>it is work?
20:23<Eddi|zuHause>no, it is pleasure
20:23<@Rubidium>yes it is work
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20:27<Eddi|zuHause>someone should forbid kids to play with IRC at 2:30AM
20:28<goodger>Eddi|zuHause: or people our age who are drunk
20:28<goodger>they have similar mentalities
20:28<Eddi|zuHause>what do you mean "our" age?
20:29<goodger>the age group encompassing my age and your age
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>you have not a single clue what my actual age is
20:29<goodger>yes I do
20:30<goodger>judging by your behaviour and clarity of speech it is equal to or greater than mine, and since you're alive, it is likely under 95
20:30<goodger>so you're 18-95
20:30<@Rubidium>oh yes I do
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>"judging from my behaviour and speech" <- people have been hopelessly fooled by that one already
20:32<Eddi|zuHause>thinking that i was 40-50 when i was 21
20:32<goodger>people have been thinking I was in my 30s since I was 12
20:32<goodger>it's been quite annoying, they stop taking me seriously as soon as I reveal my true age
20:33<Eddi|zuHause>there is a simple solution to that problem
20:34<goodger>I worked that out at age 12
20:34<el_en>i think i know how old Eddi|zuHause is, so it's quite likely that piece of information has been revealed on this channel in the past.
20:34<goodger>the minimum bound is now 21, of course
20:35<goodger>so, to reiterate with anti-BloodyMindedGerman phrasing, "people of age 18-95"
20:35<Eddi|zuHause>el_en: yes, i have been giving out clues, but that does not mean that goodger has any ;)
20:35<goodger>ta very much
20:36<Eddi|zuHause>whatever a "ta" is
20:37<goodger>it means "thank you"
20:37<goodger>used sarcastically in this case
20:37<goodger>to mean "up yours!"
20:40<@Rubidium>HansAffe is broken
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20:50<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15405 /3rdparty/squirrel/squirrel/ (sqapi.cpp sqvm.cpp sqvm.h): [Squirrel] -Add: framework for 'taxing' opcodes from outside the VM.
20:52<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15406 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix: make Valuate actually cost a few opcodes to not make it a single opcode method of doing lots of the same thing. This should resolve most of the hiccups caused by AIs.
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21:15<Eddi|zuHause>someone pray for me...
21:15<Eddi|zuHause>or something
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21:20<Sacro>I don't think he's ever left
21:21*Sacro shudders
21:24<goodger>he leaves all the time ¬.¬
21:24<Sacro>no he doesn't
21:24<Sacro>there's always one or two spares
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21:28<+glx>he's just updating video draiver
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21:32<Sacro>hey Eddi|zuHause :D
21:32<Eddi|zuHause>hm, that did somehow not work as intended
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