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---Logopened Wed Apr 08 00:00:42 2009
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01:06<named1029>I am running Gentoo and have installed OpenTTD using emerge. I cannot find the executable
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02:26<@petern>ipv6 openttd :s
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02:44<dihedral>Rubidium, i like all the networkstuff going on ;-)
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02:48<@petern>tcp6 0 0 :::3979 :::* LISTEN 2589/openttd
02:50<@petern>dbg: [net] Client connected from [::1] on frame 1086
02:52<Gekz>IPv6 is not part of the original matrix
02:52<Gekz>this shit is bust wide open yo
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03:10<@petern>666kB/s :o
03:11<@Rubidium>evil ;)
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04:00<blathijs> /win 20
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04:42*jonty-comp has an ipv6 server listening, apparently
04:43<jonty-comp>although now I'm waiting for the svn to compile on my home pc ._.
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04:45<jonty-comp>the DEP CHECK bit always takes forever :(
04:46<jonty-comp>bah, an error in one of those squirrel libraries
04:46*jonty-comp searches about
04:46<@petern>no squirrel libraries required
04:47<@petern>and install xutils-dev as makedepend is much faster
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04:48<@petern>cygwin ftl
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04:48<AshKyd>Just finished the massivest super massive OSM data gathering trip everrrrrrr.
04:49<AshKyd>My arms and legs are sore, but I had fun. ^_^
04:52<DJNekkid>petern: what would the format of a CB36 with a 85 and not a 81 be?
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04:53<DJNekkid>something along this:
04:53<DJNekkid>-1 * 0 02 00 CC 85 10 00 FF 01 00 80 \w376 14 14 00 FF
04:53<DJNekkid>hmm ...
04:53<@petern>format doesn't change
04:54<@petern>you just test a word instead of a byte
04:54<DJNekkid>well, the clue is, i want to return the value 376
04:55<@petern>you return a callback result
04:55<@petern>81 vs 85 has no bearing on the result
04:55<DJNekkid>but it can make me return a value higher then 255, or have i misunderstood?
04:55<@petern>you have misunderstood
04:56<AshKyd>Oh hello, this is *way* not the Open Street Map channel. Gawd, I’m dumb sometimes.
04:56<@petern>ttd, osm... close?
04:56<jonty-comp>the keys are like right next to each other
04:56<@petern>maybe you were mapping ttd towns :D
04:56<AshKyd>Yeah, I’ve got both on my buddy list, I clicked the wrong one. :/
04:56<jonty-comp>anyway, most people in this channel talk nonsense, so we don't mind :p
04:57<AshKyd>Lol, thanks. :)
04:57<DJNekkid>so, how would i be able to return/create a number higher then 255 ?
04:57<@petern>you see that 80?
04:57<DJNekkid>make that like 1
04:57<DJNekkid>and remove 256 from 377?
04:57<@petern>that means, in binary 1 0000000
04:58<@petern>those 7 zeroes are part of the callback result
04:58<@petern>the only condition is you can't return 11111111 cos that means it's an 8 bit callback value
04:58<DJNekkid>so ... \b110 81 ?
04:59<@petern>if the cb36 is only expecting an 8bit value it makes no difference
04:59<@petern>which property are you doing?
04:59<DJNekkid>14 (capacity)
05:00<@petern>yeah, that'll take 15 bits
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05:05<DJNekkid>something along this?
05:07<@petern>whatever the value should be
05:07<@petern>it's probably best *not* to mix \b LSB and a hex MSB though
05:09<@petern>i'd put "78 81" with a comment at the end mentioning it's 376
05:09<DJNekkid>yea ... :)
05:14<jonty-comp> <-- aha
05:15<jonty-comp>If I must compile it under VC++... :(
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05:51<Xaroth>hypothechnically, it should be more than doable for a 3rd party application to prod an openttd server and get it's info, right?
05:51*jonty-comp tries to figure out how to connect to his ipv6 server
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05:57<jonty-comp>oh, there we go
05:57<jonty-comp>I can connect to it via the command-line
05:57<jonty-comp>and it seems to be working ipv6-y
05:57<jonty-comp>but it doesn't show up on the masterserver, and I can't add it as a server in the menu
05:57<Xaroth>doesn't sound good :P
05:58<jonty-comp>but it is an ipv6 test server!
05:58<jonty-comp>at [2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1]:3979
05:58<jonty-comp>I know
05:58*jonty-comp sets up
05:58<Xaroth>the joy of VPS :)
05:59<Xaroth>i'm long glad my company has 2 /24 ranges.. 1 for customers, 1 to test stuff with :P
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05:59<jonty-comp>dbg: [net] Client connected from [2001:5c0:1400:b::a91] on frame 2663
05:59<Xaroth>(aka, 1 for work, 1 for openttd)
05:59*petern only has 1 /21 :(
05:59<jonty-comp>I'm probably forgetting something obvious re. not appearing on the masterserver
05:59<jonty-comp>I usually do that kind of thing
05:59<@petern>jonty-comp, yeah, the server list stuff doesn't support ipv6 yet
05:59<jonty-comp>ah, I see
06:00<@petern>should be able to connect directly though
06:00<jonty-comp>but I had to do openttd.exe -n
06:00<@petern>at least, i assume
06:00<jonty-comp>well, that's good to know
06:00<@Rubidium>the serverlist doesn't do IPv6 yet
06:00<Xaroth>petern: network_data.h contains all the stuffs i need to make a 3rd party app that can read a server's info, right?
06:00<jonty-comp>I shall mess about a bit and generate some traffic
06:00<Xaroth>ugh :P
06:01*Xaroth goes fiddle
06:01<@Rubidium>primarily because the "get serverlist" stuff isn't implemented yet
06:01<jonty-comp>that's OK
06:01<jonty-comp>I'm just happy that you're doing it at all :D
06:01<jonty-comp>this world needs more people future-proofing things
06:02<@Rubidium>later today I could start the test masterserver/updater, but that requires you to do some local modifications
06:02<jonty-comp>well I have nothing in particular to do today
06:02<jonty-comp>so if you want to use me as a crash test dummy feel free :p
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06:03<jonty-comp>oops, I seem to have made the map 2048x128
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06:06<Xaroth>jonty-comp: should make a nice race track innit?
06:08<@Rubidium> <- the test master server's server list, but it's currently horribly out of date because the master server and updater aren't running
06:09<Xaroth>wiki is old
06:09<Xaroth>network_data.h has been renamed i think
06:09<@Rubidium>the wiki w.r.t. the network protocol is totally out of date
06:10<Xaroth>'oh :/
06:10<Xaroth>more fiddling for me then
06:11<@Rubidium>Xaroth: take a look at openttdlib
06:11<@Rubidium>that's a php library that can query a server
06:12<Xaroth>main fun will be to port that to C# :P
06:12*jonty-comp also looks
06:12<dihedral>you can port that to anything you like ;-)
06:12<Xaroth>dihedral: aren't you also somewhat responsible for the autopilot thingie?
06:13<dihedral>ap+ and avignon, yes
06:13<Xaroth>thought so
06:13<@petern>is the new master server backward compatible?
06:13<Xaroth>was fiddling with ottdcoop's autopilot thingie from the svn, managed to fubar it quite good :P
06:13<@petern>the session key changes looked somewhat different...
06:14<@Rubidium>petern: yes
06:14<Xaroth>so started googling, and noticed your name a few million times
06:14<jonty-comp>hmm, now I need some more IPs
06:14*jonty-comp asks orudge for a gazillion IPs
06:14<Xaroth>dihedral: aye
06:15<Xaroth>i tried the main autopilot branch, but since some things have changed in the console output (i think) it went nutters with the irc plugin
06:16<Xaroth>nice one petern
06:16<Xaroth>would put it as desktop if it'd fit :p
06:16<dihedral>petern, NICE
06:17<jonty-comp>that is... impressively awesome.
06:18<dihedral>Xaroth, the original autopilot has not been touched in ages
06:18<dihedral>the author simply does not have the time anymore
06:18<jonty-comp>well, it's quite awesome as it is
06:18<dihedral>ap+ will not have any new stuff to it either anymore, as we are working on a complete rewrite
06:18<jonty-comp>I meant to set it up the other day for messing-about purposes, but I got distracted when a pigeon flew into the window
06:19<dihedral>ap+ allows you to do a few more things ;-)
06:20*Xaroth adds to todo list
06:20<dihedral>avignon is not yet usable ;-)
06:22<@Rubidium>neither is IPv6 in OpenTTD yet ;)
06:22<Xaroth>dihedral: impressive code.
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06:27<@petern>your lack of rdns disturbs me
06:27<@petern>your lack of rdns disturbs me
06:29<EoD>hmmm, net. has rdns.. Maybe i should update it when i have some time left
06:29<EoD>and 2001:6f8:1022:0:cafe::2 has rdns
06:30<@petern>host 2a02:cb0:3:3::3
06:30<@petern>(in theory)
06:30<EoD> ?
06:30<@petern>quite so
06:30<jonty-comp>grr, lighttpd seems unable to bind to a specific IP for some reason
06:30<@petern>so my rdns works
06:31<@petern>jonty-comp, you're doing it wrong :D
06:31<jonty-comp>quite possibly
06:31<jonty-comp> <-- that one
06:33<EoD>has anyone tried [2001:6f8:1022:0:cafe::2]:3980 already?
06:33<@petern>not me
06:33<@petern>my ipv6 is not connected yet
06:34<jonty-comp>EoD: I spent a good hour trying to figure it all out
06:34*jonty-comp connects to EoD's server, for his is laggy and he doesn't know whether it's his VPS or his tunnel that's causing it
06:34<EoD>it doesn't work?
06:34<EoD>i could try another computer/tunnel if you want to
06:34<jonty-comp>I haven't started it yet D:
06:35<jonty-comp>I started my own ipv6 server, but it's somewhat laggy
06:35<jonty-comp>it's probably freenet6
06:35<EoD>sixxs ;)
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06:35<EoD>i have a computer which has native ipv6 if you think it's my tunnel
06:35<jonty-comp>newgrf mismatch D:
06:36<jonty-comp>should I just download the whole of bananas? :p
06:36<EoD>yeah ;)
06:36<EoD>one moment, i'll remove some of the newgrf's
06:36<Gekz>wtf is bananana
06:36<jonty-comp>content download system
06:37<jonty-comp>I'm in now
06:37<jonty-comp>2.08MB map! :o
06:38<Gekz>oh bananas is cool!
06:40<EoD>petern: Do you want to join, too? ;)
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07:08<EoD>dbg: [net] Connecting to 2001:4ca0:4f03:1:224:8cff:fe3e:73a0:3979 (IPv4)
07:08<EoD>interesting... a very interesting ipv4 ;)
07:08<EoD>dbg: [net] 'EoD' made an error and has been disconnected. Reason: 'received strange packet' - also very interesting??
07:10<EoD>on the second try, it worked fine
07:12<jonty-comp>oops, forgot to see what company I was
07:12<jonty-comp>oh well
07:12<jonty-comp>third 'unnamed company' :
07:15<EoD>connection lost?
07:15<EoD>how so?
07:15<jonty-comp>I dunno
07:16<jonty-comp>it just died
07:17<jonty-comp>I know what company number I am now though :D
07:20<dihedral>EoD: i have seen 'received strange packet' a few times
07:20<dihedral>which country are you connecting from / to?
07:28<EoD>i'm connecting through
07:28<dihedral>i saw it about 10 times and each time it was a connection from SA ^^
07:28<@petern>so the same person? :p
07:28<dihedral>nope it was not
07:29<@petern>bah, my server keeps picking up auto assigned ipv6 address :/
07:29<dihedral>and it only happened the first time they connected
07:30<EoD>i never had this with ipv4
07:30<jonty-comp>I have seen it perhaps once before
07:30<EoD>i had it on every ipv6 server so far
07:31<jonty-comp>it could just be the tunnels causing confusion
07:31<jonty-comp>or something else
07:31<EoD>may someelse start an ipv6 server for testing?
07:32<jonty-comp>I have one
07:32<@petern>well, it's WIP, no one said it would work, or is finished ;p
07:32<jonty-comp>at 2001:1af8:fe2e:110::1
07:32<jonty-comp>whatever it normally is
07:32<jonty-comp>3979? I can't remember
07:32<jonty-comp>it's not doing anything at the moment though
07:32<jonty-comp>it's just running :p
07:32<jonty-comp>I should stick some AIs on it
07:33<EoD>have a look at your logs
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07:33<jonty-comp>dbg: [net] Client connected from [2001:a60:f066:0:215:afff:fe21:f032] on frame 181560
07:33<EoD>petern: yes, that why someone need s to do the testing/debugging ;)
07:33<jonty-comp>dbg: [net] Closed client connection 4
07:33<Skalle>would anyone have any idea why I'd get a segfault when trying to "find servers"? (a number of servers show up in the list half a second before the segfault though)
07:34<EoD>Skalle: Did you compile it yourself? DId you make a "make clean" before compiling?
07:34<EoD>jonty-compy: nothing else? no strange packets?
07:34<dihedral>ha! the root of all evil: did you compile it yourself :-P
07:34<EoD>jonty-comp: NewGRF mismatch
07:35<Skalle>I did not compile it myself; I downloaded it yesterday using apt-get in ubuntu: I played single player a little yesterday, and it worked
07:35<jonty-comp>they should all be from bananas again
07:35<jonty-comp>I think
07:35<jonty-comp>there's av8, and ukrs, and egrvts and generic trams I think
07:35<jonty-comp>and some other crap
07:35<jonty-comp>not that they are crap
07:36<dihedral>Skalle, which version / revision?
07:36<jonty-comp>oh wait, it's nars, not ukrs
07:37<EoD>jonty-comp: I have everything from bananas
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07:37<Skalle>it only says 0.6.0 so I guess that's the one
07:37<jonty-comp>perhaps it's a different version
07:37<dihedral>that is a pretty old version
07:38<Skalle>maybe I should compile it myself then
07:38<dihedral>you just need to fetch a newer version
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07:38<Skalle>I'll try it, thanks
07:39<@petern>i'd guess one of the debian packages should work
07:40<jonty-comp>EoD: try now
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07:41<EoD>newgrf mismatch
07:41<EoD>is you banans up to date?
07:41<dihedral>then find out which ones they are
07:42<@Rubidium>EoD: IPv6 isn't meant to be working all okay and correctly at the moment
07:42<jonty-comp>I'll just remove all the ones I know might be out of date
07:42<dihedral>bananas lets you download older versions if you have the id etc.
07:42<EoD>i've to leave now cafeteria closes at 2pm and i need about half an hour to get there
07:42<jonty-comp>now it only has egrvts and av8
07:42<jonty-comp>oh, heh, OK
07:42<dihedral>i.e. connecting to a server should not be a prob
07:42<EoD>Rubidium: Yeah, that's why i thought you could need some support testing it :)
07:42<@Rubidium>EoD: don't bother, you won't make it
07:42<EoD>i will ;)
07:42<EoD>bye bye
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07:49<@petern>was that a flounce?
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07:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15980 /trunk/src/network/core/address.cpp: -Codechange: don't try to bind to the same socket twice; it's quite pointless.
08:09<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15981 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h network.cpp): -Fix: don't print the address family when writing the IP+port to the config file.
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08:30<jonty-comp>-!- no PONG reply in 60 seconds, disconnecting
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08:48<jonty-comp>hmm, so our school claims to go through JANET
08:49<Gekz>wtf is JANET
08:49<jonty-comp>internet infrastructure
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08:49<jonty-comp>for UK colleges and schools
08:50*jonty-comp shall bug the network admin about ipv6
08:50<jonty-comp>but now, I must eat my lunch!
08:50*jonty-comp bbiab
08:50<dihedral>jonty-comp, what school?
08:50<@petern>janet used to be a superfast university only network
08:51<@petern>now everything else is just as fast,
08:51<dihedral>or rather, which side of the school are you in
08:51<dihedral>because as student / pupil - you can hardly bug anybody on the admin team ^^
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08:52<dihedral>all you can do is annoy, and that will have the opposite effect of what you are after ^^
08:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15982 /trunk/src/ (46 files in 4 dirs): -Codechange: use GetAddressAsString to get the name instead of passing the hostname and the IP into a string.
08:53<EoD>dihedral: actually i am a student and i'm bothering the admin team every now and then :)
08:54*dihedral remembers his time of being admin at colleges in oxford ^^
08:55<@petern>when was that?
08:56<dihedral>uh... 2004-2006
08:56<@petern>after i stole an SS5 from them
08:56<dihedral>which college?
08:56<dihedral>or oucs
08:57<dihedral>i specifically recall one student (at that time he was computer rep) and he tried to gable his way back into an on-campus room ^^
08:58<@petern>actually they were in a skip
08:58<dihedral>(all students were at that time required to for one year live outside)
08:58<@petern>not much left by the time i got there, hence ended up with an ss5
08:58<dihedral>he said, he'd only do computer-rep again for another year if they gave him a room in college ^^
08:58<dihedral>the answer came very quick
08:59<dihedral>petern, when was that?
08:59*dihedral dreams of some very good pub lunches
08:59<dihedral>radcliffe arms.... yumm
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09:00<@petern>i was just thinking "you should've said you were there"
09:00<@petern>then i remembered the timescales involved...
09:01<dihedral>hehe - svn dump, original size: 2.5GB.... after filtering... 1.6GB :-D
09:02<dihedral>petern, i am really would love to know which college you visited :-P
09:02<@petern>i have no idea
09:02<dihedral> ^^
09:02<dihedral>or :-D
09:02<@petern>i don't remember where it was
09:02<@petern>it was dark :p
09:03<dihedral>recall any bus stops?
09:03<dihedral>nah - forget it
09:03<@petern>i drove there, so no :p
09:03<EoD>any street name you remember?
09:03<dihedral>EoD, no
09:03<dihedral>he does not ^^
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09:03<EoD>any shop you remember? Any other special object?
09:04<dihedral>SS5 :-P
09:04<@petern>yeah, a real shitter
09:04<@petern>still got it actually
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09:12<welshdragon>Belugas_Gone: your wife not killed you yet then?
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09:13<@Belugas_Gone>i sneaked in with chocolates :)
09:14<dihedral>hello sir
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09:15<jonty-comp>dihedral: well they owe me a lot
09:15<dihedral>they never do
09:15<jonty-comp>I found a virus that had infected a classroomfull of computers
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09:16<welshdragon>jonty-comp: orly?
09:16<jonty-comp>and my windows desktop broke in October and despite half the IT department having the same problem they have yet to do anything about it
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09:16<jonty-comp>I did bug them enough to give us optical mice in the sixth form area
09:17<jonty-comp>we had these awful old ps/2 mice with balls full of fluff, but they had glued the little door shut so nobody could break them/clean them >_>
09:17<EoD>we got two phenom II (2.8ghz) last week
09:17<dihedral>ipv6 is a bit more work
09:17<jonty-comp>I will do it for them!
09:18<jonty-comp>with my track record they can't turn down that offer
09:18<EoD>don't you have native ipv6?
09:18*dihedral loved it when students thought that high of themselves ^^
09:18<jonty-comp>I'm waiting for my present ISP to go bankrupt so I can switch to entanet, who do native ipv6
09:18<jonty-comp>JANET might have native though, they're usually quite good at this sort of thing
09:19<EoD>we have native ipv6 at all our universities in munich
09:19<jonty-comp>of course if tiscali goes bust then they probably won't give us a mac code :/
09:19<EoD>actually a lot of NATs/Firewalls block IPv6 :-S
09:19<EoD>jonty-comp: I'm waiting for my isp to get native ipv6 ;)
09:20*petern wonders if entanet will peer
09:20<jonty-comp>the only thing stopping it in the UK is BT >_>
09:20<dihedral>BT sucks :-P
09:20<jonty-comp>there's a bug in the cisco routers apparently, and they haven't fixed it yet
09:20<dihedral>eclipse internet gives you a subnet for free if you ask for one :-P
09:20<jonty-comp>so some people might get it
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09:20<jonty-comp>eew eclipse
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09:21<dihedral>i did prefer them over a bunch of other isp's
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09:22<EoD>jonty-comp: all our switches are replaced at the moment. In a few month we have Gigabit (or maybe 10GB) ethernet everywhere
09:22<@petern>jonty-comp, only some of the cisco routers...
09:22<@petern>i just need 7204 firmware :s
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09:23<jonty-comp>petern: enough for them to officially not support it, though
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09:27<@petern>"not support" isn't the same as "won't work" :)
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09:32<dihedral> <- oh my word! ^^
09:32<@petern>leave him to it
09:32*petern ponders another addition to the foe list
09:39<@petern>um, yeah
09:39<@petern>pausing an mp3 stream is not that useful
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09:41<dihedral>HAHA :-P
09:42<@petern>meant to stop it
09:42<@petern>just confuses it when you unpause, heh
09:47<dihedral>@seen Eddi*
09:47<@DorpsGek>dihedral: Eddi* could be Eddi|zuHause (4 weeks, 4 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 24 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause2 (7 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause3 (35 weeks, 0 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes, and 57 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause4 (38 weeks, 2 days, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 54 seconds ago), or Eddi|nichZuHause (44 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 1 minute, and 33 seconds ago)
09:47<Xaroth>I bet it's the last one.
09:49<@Belugas>or all of them, in fact ^_^
09:50<@DorpsGek>petern: ago), spasm_ (4 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes, and 52 seconds ago), Felicitus (4 days, 17 hours, 15 minutes, and 49 seconds ago), KenjiE20 (4 days, 21 hours, 34 minutes, and 7 seconds ago), rowney (4 days, 21 hours, 35 minutes, and 46 seconds ago), valhallasw (4 days, 21 hours, 54 minutes, and 24 seconds ago), TrueBrain (4 days, 21 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds ago), frodsham (4 days, 22 hours, 1 minute, and 54 (40 more messages)
09:51<@petern>still there
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09:52<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.
09:53<Sacro>@more dihedral
09:53<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for dihedral
09:53<Sacro>@more petern
09:53<@DorpsGek>Sacro: Error: Sorry, I can't find any mores for petern
09:53<Sacro>hmm :(
09:53<Forked>@cookie ?
09:53*Forked stabs DorpsGek
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10:23<Xaroth>I take it the text info in the server info packet is all ascii encoded?
10:24<Xaroth>UTF8? hm
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10:37<@Rubidium>jonty-comp: <- should make your binary join the test master server
10:39*jonty-comp gets his cygwin out
10:39<jonty-comp>...which is broken
10:40*jonty-comp goes to find cygwin setup program
10:40<jonty-comp>It would be easier if I were in linux, but I broke grub
10:40<frosch123>use lilo
10:41<+glx>boot from the cd :)
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10:42<jonty-comp>is this on r15982?
10:42<Forked>cygwin to compile for win32?
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10:43<jonty-comp>I'll just do it on the vps again
10:43<jonty-comp>which I had somewhat forgotten about
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10:43<Forked>also what is this vps thing? :)
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10:43<Forked>"very private server"? =p
10:43<Xaroth>not Very :P
10:43<Forked>I'm dissapointed :)
10:43<jonty-comp>Well, it compiles ridiculously fast
10:44<jonty-comp>for a dual-cpu quad-core Xeon server :p
10:44*jonty-comp slows the forums down a bit
10:44<Xaroth>think VMWare ESX/VMWare Server and/or others
10:45<jonty-comp>that said the load averages while compiling are still only 0.88 0.35 0.12 =)
10:46<@petern>not enough threads
10:46<jonty-comp>how do I set more threads?
10:46<jonty-comp>I see
10:46<@petern>-j 8 limits to 8
10:46<@petern>dual quad...
10:46<Xaroth>har har
10:46<Xaroth>1 thread per core
10:46<Xaroth>== win
10:46<@petern>just -j should do :)
10:46<jonty-comp>well, it's finished now anyway
10:46<@petern>2 per core is generally the norm
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10:47<lolman>1 thread pre core +1 actually ;)
10:47<@petern>everyone says something different
10:47<lolman>I always use -j5 for my quad ;)
10:47<Xaroth>jonty-comp: you compiling directly on the host machine or something?
10:48<jonty-comp>dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
10:48<jonty-comp>it's there!
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11:15<Xaroth>in case anybody knows, the packets sent, their length indicator is that 1) with the 2 bytes for packet length included and 2) with the 2 bytes for packet type included ?
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11:17<@petern>2 bytes for size
11:17<@petern>1 byte for type
11:17<@petern>length is the length of the whole packet
11:18<Xaroth>er, yeh, my bad, cheers
11:18<@Rubidium>Xaroth: read src/network/core/udp.h
11:18<Xaroth>had some old code floating about, but that was only calculating data length rather than packet length
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11:20<@petern>mm, udp
11:20<@petern>dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
11:20<@petern>dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
11:20<@petern>dbg: [net] [udp] received new session key from master server
11:20<@petern>junk session keys!
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11:21<Xaroth>Rubidium: I kept looking at the wrong places for that info, cheers :)
11:23<+glx>petern: 3 IPs ?
11:23<@petern>3 udp packets
11:23<jonty-comp>I have two session keys
11:24<@petern>not so much of an exploit, as you have to know the port
11:24<+glx>two for me too
11:24<jonty-comp>and two IPs, if that has any relation
11:24<jonty-comp>except I told it to bind to the ipv6 one only
11:25<jonty-comp>it does say it's also listening on (ipv4) as well as the ipv6 address though
11:27<@Rubidium>the master socket binding needs some tweaking
11:27<@Rubidium>in 'client' mode it should bind to "any" and in 'server' mode it should bind to the server bind ip
11:28<+glx>jonty-comp: servers list shows only one IP
11:31<@Rubidium>still need a way to prevent duplicate servers (once via IPv4 and once via IPv6) in the in-game server list
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11:32<@Rubidium>assuming you request the IPv4 addresses over IPv4 and the IPv6 addresses over IPv6 (i.e. two queries to the master server)
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11:38<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15983 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: store the IPv6 socket information in the database and make it possible to query on the IPv4 or IPv6 sockets.
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13:42<George>peternm Rubidium, glx: I have a question about future plans for OTTD development
13:43<George>What are the probabilities to have new possibilities for RVs
13:44<George>I mean ARVs overtake, realistic acceleration, RVs assembling (like trains)
13:44<George>may be some other chnages?
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13:51<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15984 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/udp.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: prepare the UDP receiver to process multiple types of returned server lists.
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r15985 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2009-04-08 17:53:32
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: catalan - 1 fixed by arnaullv (1)
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: english_US - 1 fixed by WhiteRabbit (1)
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: estonian - 1 changed by kristjans (1)
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: galician - 7 fixed by Condex (7)
13:53<CIA-1>OpenTTD: malay - 2 fixed by tombakemas (2)
13:54<@Rubidium>George: maybe, maybe not... personally I'm not working on any of those things
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13:55<George>and do anybody do? Is it possible to know if some one has any plans about it?
13:58<@Rubidium>no; we didn't know michi_cc had a plan of coding another PBS until he came with the code
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14:05<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15986 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/masterserver/ (handler.cpp main.cpp masterserver.h udp.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: prepare the masterserver for multiple types of 'get server list' requests and replies.
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14:25<@petern>stuff just happens, heh
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14:28*petern niveas up again
14:37<EoD>dihedral , do you manage the AutoNightly openttd server? do you think you'll set up an ipv6 tunnel in the near future?
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14:42<DJNekkid>what does this mean? i have never gotten it before... //!!Warning (172): Offset 5: A shift-and var-adjust would suffice here.
14:42<@petern>ask dalestan
14:42<DaleStan>Ask the documentation.
14:43<+planetmaker>DJNekkid: I played today with the newest 2cc and found an oddity.
14:45<+planetmaker>I had multiple passanger ICs running - which I then (rather accidentially) replaced by BigBoys
14:45<+planetmaker>which then turned all wagons in some orientations into ?
14:45<+planetmaker>into question marks
14:47<Ammler>wrong number of waggons?
14:47<+planetmaker>just looked it up: detailed name: InterCity125 with 2cc MU PAX coach auto replaced by Big Boy
14:48<+planetmaker>For Big Boy?!
14:48<+planetmaker>And I don't think Big Boy is a MU train :P
14:48<DaleStan>Hmm... If I'd written it now, I'd've mentioned that the most common reason for that message is that <div/mod> is zero or one, and <add> is zero.
14:48<Ammler>I know that from DBSet
14:49<+planetmaker>so I wondered whether I should be able to do that replacement at all...
14:50<+planetmaker>but what really puzzled me was the fact that the wagons were fine in the horizontal view, but questionmarks when going along the grid lines of the map
14:50<frosch123>planetmaker: likely you got the depotview sprites :)
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14:51<+planetmaker>he :) that might be, yes. No idea :)
14:51<+planetmaker>Anyway I consider it a bug of the newgrf :)
14:51<frosch123>me too :p
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15:00<Ammler>if you can replace a engine to a engine of an other type, it would be a bug of autoreplace ;-)
15:01<frosch123>hint: it is the purpose of autoreplace to replace an engine to an engine of an other type
15:07<Ammler>(I meant, other category like big boy to mu
15:11<fonsinchen>I'll create another "subproject" in the dev section of the wiki for cargo distribution
15:11<fonsinchen>that forum entry is getting unwieldy
15:11<fonsinchen>any objections?
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15:14<+planetmaker>DJNekkid: The alignment of the KZ2A is also off by quite a bit.
15:14<+planetmaker>especially in the train info window, but also in the build screen (at least when I attache coal (self discharge hoppers))
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15:28<Muxy>Hello OpenTTD World !
15:29<Muxy>i have a question regarding client name string length
15:29<Muxy>in a network multiplayer game of course
15:29<Sacro>ask away,,,
15:30<Muxy>what is max length of this item : client_name. there is a constant NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH defined to 25
15:30<Muxy>but when sending client name across network the define NETWORK_NAME is used (80)
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15:34<Muxy>hum i found in the struct NetworkClientInfo my answer : it's defined to NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH
15:37<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15987 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp network_udp.h): -Fix: make the master socket only listen on the IP the server is bound to.
15:37<Muxy>of course...
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15:39<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15988 /trunk/src/ (network/network_gui.cpp settings_type.h): -Fix: inconsistency between using NETWORK_NAME_LENGTH and NETWORK_CLIENT_NAME_LENGTH for the length of client names.
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16:31<Prof_Frink>Sacro: Oi gameloser! What d'ya want?
16:33<Sacro>Prof_Frink: that's naaaaaaaasty
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16:43<jonty-comp>Sacro: but nessecary.
16:43<Prof_Frink>jonty-comp: Try again.
16:43<jonty-comp>I always spell nessecary wrong
16:44<jonty-comp>unless I spelt it right
16:44<jonty-comp>PuTTY doesn't have a spell checker
16:45<Prof_Frink>Use your brain.
16:45<jonty-comp>but that went to bed after lunch :(
16:46<Prof_Frink>Wake the lazy sod up.
16:46<jonty-comp>I dunno, you don't want to see it when it's angry
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16:50<jonty-comp>hurr, 30 second compilation
16:50<jonty-comp>that -j 8 worked quite well
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16:59<Sacro>i think when creative say "98 to XP, IE5.5+"
16:59<Sacro>they also mean "IE7-"
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17:03<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15989 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_udp.cpp): -Fix (r15987: segfault due to uninitialised sockets.
17:08<TrueBrain>no, the correct reply is: lalala
17:08<TrueBrain>learn that
17:08<TrueBrain>it is important
17:08<TrueBrain>good boy
17:08<jonty-comp>how hauum-esque
17:11<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15990 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.cpp core/address.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: provide a thread safe variant of GetAddressAsString.
17:11<@Belugas>night night night
17:12<@Rubidium>night Belugas
17:13<TrueBrain>night Belugas :)
17:14<Xaroth>TrueBrain: you trained him well.. only took you a minute :P
17:14<TrueBrain>Xaroth: some people, I won't tell their names (petern), never learn :(
17:14<TrueBrain>very annoying ;)
17:14<Xaroth>right, time to see if this works
17:15<TrueBrain>being send back and forward by leaseweb .. how lovely :) I love people who can read my emails ... :p
17:15<TrueBrain>lalala :)
17:15<TrueBrain>forgetting the word 'new' in a javascript can cause nasty errors :)
17:15<Xaroth>leaseweb, hm, rings a bell
17:16<TrueBrain>in general, they are nice :)
17:16<Xaroth>think they also have servers in the datacenter we're at
17:16<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15991 /trunk/src/network/network_gamelist.cpp: -Fix: don't add to the server list; you can't connect to them in any case
17:16<TrueBrain>if you are in Evo, you can't miss them :p
17:16<Xaroth>yer we area
17:16<TrueBrain>then you should not 'think' that .. you should hav enoticed more than once :p
17:17<TrueBrain>they arrange the tech-support for Evo :p
17:17<Xaroth>I really don't pay attention when running around evo :P
17:17<TrueBrain>when you enter, you at least see 3 times the words: LEASEWEB
17:17<Xaroth>you do?
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17:17<TrueBrain>next time, pay attention ;) :p
17:17<Xaroth>hm, must check that out some time
17:17<TrueBrain>check shirts of personal ;)
17:17<Xaroth>they read EvoSwitch ...
17:18<Xaroth>nice blue shirts etc :P
17:18<TrueBrain>and also the words: LeaseWeb :p
17:18<TrueBrain>in red :)
17:18<TrueBrain>well .. word
17:18<Xaroth>never noticed
17:18<Xaroth>then again, i don't pay attention :P
17:18<Xaroth>me being in the datacenter is those moments that you don't want to, but your job requires you to
17:18<TrueBrain>I know that problem :)
17:19<TrueBrain>I run myself around there too :p
17:19<Xaroth>i just pick random aisles(sp?) in our room until i see the wikipedia logos
17:19<Xaroth>seeing our servers are right next to those
17:19<Xaroth>and we don't have our logos up yet
17:20<TrueBrain>I like running up and down the racks .. lights going on and off :)
17:20<TrueBrain>just love doing that :p
17:20<TrueBrain>can't help myself :)
17:20<Xaroth>i'm long glad there's locks on the racks
17:21<TrueBrain>which DC wouldn't have locks on their rack?!
17:21<Xaroth>our last datacenter had separate rooms
17:21<@Rubidium>someone here with IPv6 and a big endian machine?
17:21<Xaroth>so didn't need locks on racks
17:22<TrueBrain>Xaroth: fair enough :)
17:23<TrueBrain>reminds me .. this Saturday I have to go down there again ....
17:23<Xaroth>why not week-days :P
17:23<TrueBrain>because there will be downtime
17:23<TrueBrain>and companies dislike that somehow :p
17:23<jonty-comp>Rubidium: if I knew what big-endian meant, I might be able to give you an answer
17:23<Xaroth>bastards tbh
17:23*jonty-comp looks it up
17:23<TrueBrain>so .. you schedule it outside office hours .. and I dislike going at night :p
17:23<Xaroth>well we did move all our servers on a thursday evening
17:23<Xaroth>from.. 20:00 to 06:00 :/
17:24<Xaroth>nice 10 hour server-moving shift
17:24<Xaroth>after a nice 9 hour work day
17:24<TrueBrain>when we moved to Evo I had about the same :p It doesn't even matter how much servers you move ... you take 10 hours to move shit :(
17:24<Xaroth>well actually it took us 5 dyas
17:24<TrueBrain>well, I was done at 0400 :)
17:24<Xaroth>but that was due to ESX moving etc
17:24<Xaroth>i absolutely love that stuff
17:25<@Rubidium>jonty-comp: do you have an x86/amd64 based computer? If so, then you've got little endian
17:25<TrueBrain>Deploying ESXi saturday ;) :p
17:25<@Rubidium>jonty-comp: <- for if you're really interesting
17:25<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: BE is out-dated :p
17:25<Xaroth>we have 2 nice big ESX machines that took over for 6 old 'normal' ESX machines for this move
17:25<Xaroth>separate vlan arranged from SARA to evo
17:26<TrueBrain>hehe :)
17:26<Xaroth>so we could move stuff with just 5 minutes downtime per instance
17:26<jonty-comp>oh, so a brand new Xeon isn't going to be big-endian then
17:26<jonty-comp>Rubidium: reading it now
17:27<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: LOL! No, not really :)
17:27<TrueBrain>BE is dead :)
17:27<TrueBrain>even Apple threw it away :)
17:27<jonty-comp>admittedly a lot of it is gibberish, but I file that kind of thing and make sense of it in a few years :P
17:28<TrueBrain>wow, what an unclear article ..
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17:29<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: <- the only important thing about endian :)
17:30<Xaroth>jonty-comp: Basically it means how it stores bytes of data
17:30<Xaroth>one goes left-to-right
17:30<Xaroth>other right-to-left
17:30<jonty-comp>I see
17:30<jonty-comp>well, ish
17:30<Sacro>Rubidium: I might be able to get ipv6 and BE
17:30<Xaroth>obviously you can't read something left-to-right if it's written right-to-left
17:30<Xaroth>that would make no sense
17:30<TrueBrain>and no way is better than the other ... it is just nice if we all pick one :)
17:30<TrueBrain>strangly enough .. network transfer is BE :p
17:31<Xaroth>then again
17:31<Xaroth>IT is all about 500000 different 'standards' for the same damn thing
17:31<@Rubidium>Sacro: check whether you can the IPs in the server list with are the same as on
17:31<jonty-comp>anyway, I should be around for more crash test dummying tomorrow
17:31<TrueBrain>and they think they all do better ...
17:31<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: in cars? :)
17:32<@Rubidium>and whether you can host a server and someone else can connect to it via the server list
17:32<jonty-comp>polly put the kettle on
17:32<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: I hope you don't sit in those cars ;)
17:32<jonty-comp>well, I can learn to drive now (!)
17:32<Xaroth>good luck :P
17:32<jonty-comp>but I hopefully won't be doing much crashing
17:32<TrueBrain>you turned 18?
17:32<jonty-comp>I don't normally break things!
17:33<TrueBrain>young person :p
17:33<Xaroth>not dutch then :P
17:33<TrueBrain>clearly ;)
17:33<jonty-comp>I feel old :(
17:33<TrueBrain>when you get my age, you may feel old
17:33<TrueBrain>when you get Belugas's age, you are old
17:33<Xaroth>TrueBrain: 18? :P
17:33<jonty-comp>I'm past my prime!
17:33<Xaroth>17 IS a prime.
17:33<TrueBrain>Xaroth: I wish :)
17:33<TrueBrain>lol! :)
17:33<jonty-comp>Xaroth: damn.
17:33<Xaroth>har har
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17:34<jonty-comp>although I must start working for these exams soon
17:35<jonty-comp>computing A-level is rather annoying, they made me learn visual basic :(
17:35<TrueBrain>does that language still EXIST?
17:35<Xaroth>my teacher tried to teach me
17:35<jonty-comp>I only see it as a stepping stone to C# or C++ though
17:35<Xaroth>after 4 minutes i convinced him he sucked at and he should learn C# instead
17:35*jonty-comp learns FORTRAN
17:35<TrueBrain>FORTRAN? Lol!
17:35<TrueBrain>every variable starting with 'i' is integer
17:35<TrueBrain>how COOL! :)
17:36<jonty-comp>that sounds quite sensible actually
17:36<TrueBrain>important_string = 1
17:36<TrueBrain>no, doesn't make sense :p
17:36<jonty-comp>well, the coder would have to be sensible too :P
17:36<jonty-comp>would work for someone making a sims game
17:36<Xaroth>sounds bad tbh
17:37<jonty-comp>well you aren't making a speech out of it
17:37<Xaroth>would be fun if you were working with different integer types...
17:37<Sacro>Rubidium: I don't have access right now, but there are a couple of SPARC boxen in the house
17:37<TrueBrain>IN THA HOUZE!
17:37<Sacro>Sparcstation 10 and 20
17:37<Xaroth>jonty-comp: uint16, uint32, uint64 ?
17:37<Sacro>3 (i think) apple ][s
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17:38<Xaroth>using long and double won't suffice with unsigned variants :p
17:38<jonty-comp>An apple ][ running openttd...
17:38<TrueBrain>I AM HUNGRY!
17:39<jonty-comp>Sacro: it may take about a century to compile on a sparcstation :o
17:39<Xaroth>TrueBrain: go get some then?
17:39<TrueBrain>haven't anything at home ...
17:39<Kojiri>I like apples.
17:39<TrueBrain>and .. stores are closed :(
17:39<Kojiri>Loo loo loo
17:39<jonty-comp>there's a couple of old Sparcstations under one of the tables in IT at school
17:39<TrueBrain>Soarma ... hmm .. needs I need to take my bike ..
17:39<Xaroth>TrueBrain: location?
17:39<Kojiri>GORDON FREEMAN!
17:39<jonty-comp>I think they use them as examples of 'computers from the past'
17:39<EoD>i have a ultrasparc IIe
17:39<Xaroth>well that explains it then
17:40<Xaroth>no koopavond :)
17:40<TrueBrain>it is 23:37 ...
17:40<jonty-comp>you don't have 24h stores? muahahaha
17:40<EoD>A SPARC is big-endian, isn't it?
17:40<Xaroth>erg, yeh, it is
17:40<TrueBrain>jonty-comp: we have; but I don't hve the money :p
17:40<Xaroth>TrueBrain: drivein?
17:40<TrueBrain>long bike ride .. (15 minutes)
17:41<Xaroth>... drive in by bike?!?
17:41<TrueBrain>never did it?! :)
17:41<Kojiri>YOu can drive a bike?
17:41<Xaroth>er, no
17:41<Kojiri>I thought you rode them.
17:41<TrueBrain>try it :)
17:41<TrueBrain>they look so stupid at you :p
17:41<Xaroth>closest drivein is around an hour away by bike
17:41<Kojiri>Explain to me this magic.
17:41<Xaroth>.. 15 min by car... 10 with my speed.
17:42<Kojiri>Fast mo fo right here Xaroth
17:42<TrueBrain>in Leiden everything is at 15 min distance
17:42<TrueBrain>no matter where I wan to go :p
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17:42<Xaroth>Kojiri: no, i just know where the radar posts are :)
17:42<TrueBrain>I tihnk there is some timespace bubble around this place :s
17:42<Kojiri>Haha nice
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17:42<TrueBrain>no thank you
17:42<Kojiri>No to Xaroth
17:42<TrueBrain>(this is not a pick-up channel :p)
17:42<Xaroth>23, Uithoorn
17:43<Kojiri>Haha No I know
17:43<Kojiri>I'm just new to IRC
17:43<TinoDidriksen>A genuine ASL...dear gods.
17:43<Kojiri>I have no idea what to talk abouit
17:43<TrueBrain>clearly :)
17:43<TrueBrain>you talk like MSN :p
17:43<TrueBrain>I think it is the frst ASL request in this channel in fact ...
17:43<Kojiri>Wow, you really have no life do you?
17:43<TrueBrain>says the person who just said: ASL :p
17:43<Xaroth>me or tb? :P
17:43<TinoDidriksen>ASL is the bottom of the pits of the darkest regions of chatting...
17:43<TrueBrain>I agree TinoDidriksen
17:44<Kojiri>You guys ever hear of
17:44<Kojiri>Tell me you have
17:44<TrueBrain>Kojiri: can you spell it?
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17:44<Xaroth>Kojiri: tell me you're kidding?
17:44<Kojiri>Eye Tea
17:44<Kojiri>I've read so much on bash, and wanted to experience it in real life.
17:45<Xaroth>bash is so 20th century
17:45<TrueBrain>'real life', he says on IRC :)
17:45<Kojiri> kicking your ass is so 20th century.
17:45<TrueBrain>I like this guy already ;)
17:45<Kojiri>Just kidding
17:45<Kojiri>Word ^_^
17:45<Kojiri>Of course!
17:45<TrueBrain>Xaroth wins
17:45<Kojiri>I get it..
17:45<Kojiri>*bows down*
17:46<Roujin>I have to say BaNaNaS is getting a little crowded lately
17:46<TrueBrain>Roujin: so we need a redesign sooner or later
17:46<TrueBrain>feel up to it? :)
17:46<Xaroth>enough chitchat
17:46<Kojiri>Yes to black rights!
17:46<Xaroth>time to get this query thing to work
17:46<Roujin>I could make a patch for category choosers.. you mean something like that with "redesign"?
17:46<TrueBrain>which? :p
17:47<TrueBrain>Roujin: no, I mean redesign the website :)
17:47<EoD>jonty-comp: did you ask about a big endian machine before?
17:47<TrueBrain>better placement of things :)
17:47<Kojiri>Do you smile that much in real life TB?
17:47<Xaroth>EoD: Rubidium did i think
17:47<Kojiri>Or does that not exist where you come from?
17:47<TrueBrain>Kojiri: I am a very happy person, yes :)
17:47<Kojiri>That's good.
17:47<Kojiri>I suppose.
17:47<TrueBrain>Belugas finds me annoying :)
17:47<Xaroth>Kojiri: be glad he's not over-using 'lol' ...
17:47<EoD>Rubidium: I have an UltraSPARC IIe. iirc this is a big endian machine.
17:48<Kojiri>Hah! I agree
17:48<TrueBrain>Xaroth: I know this girl which says 'lol' in real life all the time ...
17:48<TrueBrain>very .. weird ..
17:48<Kojiri>TB: that's rough
17:48<Roujin>TrueBrain: nah, not my .. area of expertise
17:48<Xaroth>in dutch 'lol' isn't a wierd word
17:48<TinoDidriksen>Offline/Online...they're just media of communication. I wish people would get over's been here for 20 years; no need to still treat it as something different than the phone or radio.
17:48<Xaroth>but yeh
17:48<Xaroth>it's wierd
17:48<TrueBrain>TinoDidriksen: normal people call it 'reallife', yes :p
17:49<Kojiri>I'm normal!
17:49<TrueBrain>You sure?
17:49<Xaroth>The cake is a lie
17:49<Kojiri>Do your nuts hang low? DO they wobble to and frow?
17:49<TrueBrain>Kojiri: don't push it
17:49<Kojiri>I love Portal.
17:49<TinoDidriksen>Kojiri, lay off the drugs...
17:49<Roujin>TrueBrain: but what do you think about category choosers for the ingame content download window?
17:49<Kojiri>Actually, I quit last month.
17:49<TrueBrain>Roujin: Rubidium's department :)
17:49<Kojiri>My dad found my stash X(
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17:49<Xaroth>sucks to be you then
17:50<Kojiri>Yes indeed
17:50<TrueBrain>a 16 year old who gets off drugs
17:50<TrueBrain>should be hard
17:50<Kojiri>What are you guys like...30?
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17:50<Xaroth>23, i just told you
17:50<Kojiri>Oh yeah!
17:50<TrueBrain>I guess right, the 16 year value? :)
17:50<fonsinchen>cargodist updated:
17:51<Xaroth>and i'm dutch, kids don't get hooked on drugs here -that- easily
17:51<Kojiri>Well, I'm going to search for quote for bash...catch you fuckers later
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17:51<TinoDidriksen>...colorful figure.
17:51<TrueBrain>euh, how did he just called us?
17:51<Xaroth>he seriously needs to lay of the dope...
17:51<TrueBrain>I guess it is better for him not to join back in the next few minutes :)
17:52<Xaroth>better for him, not for us
17:52<Xaroth>for us it'd be fun
17:52<TrueBrain>much fun :)
17:53<TinoDidriksen>So he's basically trolling any active IRC channel he can find for least beats making up quote from thin air.
17:53<TrueBrain>true :)
17:53<TrueBrain>for that he gets a bit of credit
17:54<TrueBrain>just a bit :)
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17:54<TrueBrain>oeh, look who is back
17:54<Kojiri>I'm back..
17:54<TrueBrain>the smell gave you away
17:54<Kojiri>I found nothing but the crocodile hunters soul
17:54*Xaroth grins
17:54<TinoDidriksen>Liberate me ex inferis...
17:54<Xaroth>so, who's doing the countdown?
17:54<TrueBrain>either way, Kojiri, how did you call us when leaving?!
17:54<Kojiri>What it is with these channels and Debians?
17:55<Xaroth>I'm more of an ubuntu user, really
17:55<Kojiri>Can I get a Debian and Hotdog please?
17:55<Roujin>hahaha... not.
17:55<fonsinchen>No Debian available, but I'll send you the hotdog
17:55<Kojiri>Hey, where can you get Ubuntu? My BOCES instructor was supposed to get us a copy.
17:55<fonsinchen>post your address please
17:56<Xaroth>.... G.. too late
17:56<Kojiri>I figured you would help me out, but never miinddd
17:56<Kojiri>Mustard and ketchup on the hotdog?
17:56<TrueBrain>I am serious wondering if he only copy/pastes things from bash, or that he can type himself too
17:56<Kojiri>I read bash religiously.
17:56<Kojiri>I find it very funny
17:56<Kojiri>I'm writing a book.
17:56<SmatZ>maybe it's a bot?
17:57<TinoDidriksen>Helping noobs is ok. Helping noobs who obviously didn't do their homework or Google it first - not ok.
17:57<TrueBrain>TinoDidriksen: don't use google as verb
17:57<TrueBrain>they say it is not allowed to do so
17:57<TrueBrain>(ghehe :))
17:57<Xaroth>in times like that, you just say
17:57<Xaroth>absum turpis bestia
17:57<Kojiri>When in Rome..
17:57<@Rubidium>EoD: can you set up an IPv6 server with that registers on that big endian machine?
17:58<Xaroth>Kojiri: no, it was a response to Tino.
17:59<TrueBrain>he seriously things they speak Latin in Rome?
17:59<TrueBrain>from which age is he?
17:59<SmatZ>73 BC
17:59<TrueBrain>would be my guess too
17:59<TrueBrain>well, I Guess 72
17:59<@Rubidium>TrueBrain: depends on whether the Vatican is in Rome
17:59<TrueBrain>but close enough :)
17:59<TrueBrain>Rubidium: nope
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18:00<TrueBrain>well, it is funny that people in the Vatican can play OpenTTD in their 'native' language ;)
18:01<SmatZ>Kojiri: shame on you @ #gcc
18:02<TrueBrain>SmatZ: did you try konqueror for me?
18:03<SmatZ>TrueBrain: it works!
18:03<TrueBrain>SmatZ: YEAH! :)
18:03<SmatZ>great :)
18:03<TrueBrain>yup :)
18:03<TrueBrain>now it works on all browsers I tested it on :)
18:03<SmatZ>"Error: Server Error (1): :Negative indexing is not supported." hehe :)
18:03<TrueBrain>(which covers 90% of our visitors)
18:03<TrueBrain>SmatZ: it does contain bugs, yes ;) :p
18:04<TrueBrain>oeh, 95% :)
18:04<SmatZ>should I test links without JS? ;)
18:04<TrueBrain>it really really needs JS :)
18:05<SmatZ>how many % does konqueror have?
18:05<SmatZ>I was quite surprised it has problems, it had rather high score in ACID tests...
18:05<TrueBrain>req = XMLHttpRequest() -> req = new XMLHttpRequest()
18:05<TrueBrain>it is the details :p
18:06<TrueBrain>0.5% is konqueror :)
18:06<Kojiri>Hey guys, I have a question
18:07<SmatZ> Windows Media Player (media player) No 1
18:07<SmatZ>you can browse web in it?
18:07<TrueBrain>you can open URLs with it :p
18:07<TrueBrain>I guess your movie :p
18:08<Kojiri>You smile a lot
18:08<TrueBrain>we already covered that
18:08<Kojiri>That's putting it mildly..
18:08<Kojiri>No no, I know...Just making sure you still know.
18:08<TrueBrain>you are asking for a kick; that is not put mildly
18:08<Xaroth>WMP uses IE5+ as rendering thing
18:08<Kojiri>I thought you were happy..
18:08<Xaroth>at least, last time i checked
18:09<Kojiri>Happy person..
18:09<Kojiri>Happy LIAR
18:09<TrueBrain>@kick Kojiri Kojiri.annoyance_level > 1
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18:09<Xaroth>he shoots, he scores
18:09<Xaroth>and the crowd goes wild
18:09<Kojiri>FUCK YOU!
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18:09<TrueBrain>@mode +b *!*
18:09-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!*] by DorpsGek
18:09<TrueBrain>"die zien we nooit meer, terug"
18:09<Forked>..what the
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18:10<TrueBrain>Forked: can you try that website of yesterday again please, in both IE7 and IE8? :)
18:10<TrueBrain>make sure I didn't fuck up :(
18:10<Forked>TrueBrain: I'm not at work :\
18:10<TrueBrain>too bad :)
18:10<TrueBrain>when ever you have the time :)
18:11<TrueBrain>you work 1 day in the week? :)
18:11<Forked>no, but easter
18:11<TrueBrain>ah, yes yes :)
18:11<TrueBrain>oh well ... when I need it by then I will ask :)
18:11<TrueBrain>tnx anyway :)
18:12<Forked>hm, on second thought
18:12<Forked>all hail the mighty VPN
18:12<TrueBrain>lol :)
18:12<Forked>maybe I can disconnect DJNekkid as well :)
18:13<DJNekkid>dissconnect me??
18:13*Forked whistles
18:14<Forked>TrueBrain: ie7: it seems to work.. no errors and it will even let me change things
18:14<TrueBrain>cool :)
18:14<Forked>now for the all mighty rdp in the rdp in the vpn
18:15<Xaroth>hah, enjoy
18:17<TrueBrain>SmatZ: I made a change; can you see if Konqueror is still okay?
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18:18<TinoDidriksen>VBox ftw...all browsers easily within reach.
18:19<SmatZ>TrueBrain: looks fine
18:19<TrueBrain>SmatZ: thank you :)
18:19<TrueBrain>TinoDidriksen: I still need to create that, yes :)
18:19<TrueBrain>wish I could install OSX ...
18:20<TinoDidriksen>Safari is available for Windows, or did you mean in general?
18:20<TrueBrain>and Safari on Windows is slightly different I guess :)
18:20<TrueBrain>can you install IE8 next to IE7 on windows?
18:20<Xaroth>not normally, but it should be doable
18:21<Xaroth>more easy if you run xp64
18:21<TrueBrain>would be nice to have a VM which has all IEs next to eachother :)
18:21<Xaroth>you just have IE7x64 and IE8x32
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18:21<TinoDidriksen>You can also get OS X running in VMWare, with some fiddling.
18:21<TrueBrain>I have ESXi .. failed so far all my attempts :)
18:22<TinoDidriksen>If your CPU is recent enough, anyway.
18:22<Xaroth>or you could just get a mac and use VMWare Fusion :P
18:22<Forked>DJNekkid: I would never disconnect you, sir :)
18:22<TrueBrain>Xaroth: yeah ... you give me the money? :)
18:22<Xaroth>er, ask my boss :P
18:22<DJNekkid>sie even
18:22<DJNekkid>sie even*sir
18:22<TrueBrain>Xaroth: he also has a job for me? :p
18:23<Xaroth>we were looking for more people :P
18:23<Xaroth>but we're in Mijdrecht
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18:23<Xaroth>not sure if that's drivable on a daily basis
18:23<svip>Why are there so many named Tino?
18:23<svip>Maybe I worry about the wrong things.
18:23<TinoDidriksen>So many? There's me.
18:23<TrueBrain>Xaroth: I am still a student, but I need a parttime job :p
18:23<svip>There was that TinoM, TinoDidriksen.
18:23<TrueBrain>just too darn lazy to look for one :)
18:24<svip>And my goodness is Didriksen a Danish surname.
18:24<svip>And not one of those trivial ones like "Jensen".
18:24<TinoDidriksen>Indeed it is. I am Danish.
18:24<Forked>works both in .dk and .no
18:24<Forked>Jensen and Didriksen
18:24<svip>.no is totally a copy.
18:24<Xaroth>TB: depends if you like to do more supportdesk related work then
18:24<TinoDidriksen>My full name is unique.
18:24<Forked>we saw your denmark and raised you ..some mountains :D
18:25<TrueBrain>Xaroth: I am a problem-solver guy .. and not that good with people :p
18:25<svip>Norwegian is pretty much a fork of Danish.
18:25<Xaroth>sounds like me then :P
18:25<svip>Danes talk with potatoes in their mouth, Forked.
18:25<Xaroth>google McNolia , nooit geschoten etc.
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18:25<Forked>it might sound like it.. but I checked a few and I didn't see abnormal anything down there
18:25<svip>Okay okay.
18:26<TrueBrain>hehe, tnx Xaroth :)
18:26<svip>I kid I kid.
18:26<svip>We eat potatoes, Forked.
18:26<svip>And we don't talk while eating them.
18:26<svip>We have manners.
18:26<svip>We are closer to France, after all.
18:26<SmatZ>ewww manners :-x
18:26<Forked>so you're better with ze women too eh?
18:26<svip>I cannot guarantee that.
18:26<Xaroth>on a bonus side you got experience with the datacenter we're using :P
18:26<TrueBrain>Xaroth: ghehe :)
18:27<TrueBrain>I love the 'biometric' scanner of Evo ..
18:27<TrueBrain>offline for what .. 3 months now? :p
18:27<Xaroth>which is broken
18:27<TrueBrain>it never really worked anyway :p
18:28<svip>But, Forked, the real issue is not whether we sound like potatoes, because Danish sounds very unlike any other language.
18:28<svip>Well, except Dutch, and even Dutch sounds far fetched to me.
18:28<TrueBrain>bah, 0025 .. I should get some sleep ...
18:28<svip>No offence to the Dutchies in here.
18:28<TrueBrain>night all :)
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18:28<Xaroth>Dutch seems to sound a bit like german
18:28<Xaroth>... they say
18:28<Xaroth>nn TB
18:28<svip>A bit like German mixed with English.
18:28<svip>That's what they say.
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18:29<TinoDidriksen>Dutch is more a mix of English, Danish, German...impossible to comprehend via listening, but not so bad to read.
18:29<svip>Tell me about it.
18:29<Xaroth>Dutch is just wierd, period :P
18:29<svip>I had some Dutch people over.
18:29<svip>I understood nothing.
18:29<svip>But then they spoke English.
18:30<svip>And Dutch has intrigued me, so I wish to learn it.
18:30<Xaroth>poor you
18:30<svip>Don't worry, it is far down my list.
18:30<svip>Still gotta learn Estonian first.
18:30<Xaroth>keep one thing in mind
18:30<Xaroth>we're surrounded by the french and the german
18:30<Xaroth>neither of which were willing to learn dutch
18:30<Xaroth>so the dutch learned their language
18:30<svip>I realise as much.
18:30<Xaroth>so if you know any of those two, you'll be fine
18:31<Xaroth>.. or english
18:31<svip>But keep the Dutch flag waving.
18:31<svip>And speaking your tongue when you want to annoy some Frenchies or Germans.
18:31<Xaroth>not for another 3 weeks :)
18:31<Xaroth>queens day ftw
18:31<svip>The queen has a day?
18:32<svip>You wouldn't be so happy if you didn't have a democracy, but an actual monarchy.
18:32<svip>Aaah, look at those tiny Dutch flags.
18:32<svip>First flag in the history to be tricolour.
18:32<svip>Very fascinating stuff.
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18:34<svip>It's true, Xaroth.
18:34<svip>The Scottish flag was the first flag.
18:34<svip>That is, to be used as such.
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18:37<TinoDidriksen>Danish flag is the oldest...if you're talking about flags in general, then Ancient Egypt and China has us all beat.
18:41<Xaroth>it can receive data :o
18:42<Xaroth>now to parse, and disect :o
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18:51<svip>TinoDidriksen: The Danish flag is the oldest state flag.
18:56<@Rubidium>and the bit flag is the easiest to store
19:00<Xaroth>C# doesn't have implicit fallthrough :/
19:00<Sacro>Xaroth: nope
19:01<Sacro>I still <3 it though
19:01<Xaroth>easily overcome apparently
19:01<Xaroth>goto case 3;
19:01<Sacro>oh no ><
19:01<Sacro>OPS, REMOVE HIM
19:02<Xaroth>apparently the case items count as labels
19:02<Xaroth>using goto is fail though :/
19:03<Sacro>yes ;_:;
19:05<Xaroth>in this case a few if's would work
19:05<Xaroth>yes, pun intended
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19:10<TinoDidriksen>Hm, C# is rather inconsistent. If there's no fallthrough, why require a break? And, empty cases do fallthrough...mixed signals all over.
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19:17<Xaroth>but it works
19:17<Xaroth>and i got the server response thing parsed
19:17<Xaroth>which was my aim
19:18<Xaroth>custom autoupdater etc.
19:18<EoD>TinoDidriksen: C# is microsoft, what do you expect? ;)
19:18<Xaroth>EoD has a point :P
19:18<TinoDidriksen>True true...
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19:24<Xaroth>the revisions past 0.7.0 have 0.8.0 as major/minor ?
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19:31<Xaroth>right, another step closer, woo
19:31<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15992 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/shared/mysql.cpp: [MSU] -Fix (r15127): stack corruption causing NewGRF names to be not resolved.
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19:41<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15993 /trunk/src/network/ (core/address.h core/os_abstraction.h network_udp.cpp): -Codechange: clean up/generalise the handling of the server list
19:44<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15994 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [MSU] -Codechange: implement most of the master server side for fetching a list of IPv6 servers.
19:51<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15995 /extra/masterserver_updater/docs/mysql-database-structure.sql: [MSU] -Fix: typo in the database structure SQL
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20:17<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15996 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/masterserver/ (handler.cpp masterserver.h udp.cpp): [MSU] -Codechange: check the session key send by the client more thoroughly.
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20:43<+Patrick`>I'm just starting to investigate multiple lanes of trains
20:43<+Patrick`>any tips? or is there a wiki of uber-advanced ideas
20:44<+Patrick`>so far, I've established that if I ever permit trains from the inner to easily cross to the outer track, or vice versa, then it goes horribly wrong
20:44<+Patrick`>and they all pile onto one line
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20:47<+Patrick`>the coop wiki is seriously hardcore into this
21:00<Aali>the coop wiki is seriously outdated
21:03<Sacro>the coop wiki is seriously gay
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21:06<EoD>wish everyone a good night
21:06<EoD>have a lot of fun with the coopwiki ;)
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21:10<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15997 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2811]: multiline string truncation broke extending the industry window when there are more lines of information
21:11<+Patrick`>outdated it may be
21:12<+Patrick`>and full of people's random ideas from 2 years ago
21:12<+Patrick`>and full of designs obsoleted by angles-under-bridges or PBS
21:12<+Patrick`>it's a starting point
21:16<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15998 /trunk/src/network/ (network.cpp network_gamelist.cpp): -Codechange: some coding style updates
21:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r15999 /trunk/src/ (openttd.cpp variables.h): -Codechange: VARDEF--;
21:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16000 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Feature: IPv6 support
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