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---Logopened Wed Jul 01 00:00:23 2009
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02:07<dihedral>heh - Z903 had joined #codecubes asking the same question - i just have no idea why i thought he'd get an answer there :-P
02:20<planetmaker>ah. and no patience either.
02:22<planetmaker> <-- dihedral drink more coffee :P That sentence of yours doesn't parse :)
02:22*planetmaker drinks more coffee right now *slurp*
02:23<@petern>done, i guess?
02:23<planetmaker>still coffee left. Want some?
02:24<dihedral>thanks pm
02:36<dihedral>distccd[21303] (dcc_r_request_header) ERROR: client did not provide distcc magic fairy dust
02:36<dihedral>gotta love distcc for that
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03:08<planetmaker>:O "fairy dust" :P
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03:49*dihedral is watching movie trailers and is mildly amused
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03:55<andythenorth_>dihedral: what trailers?
03:56<dihedral>a bunch
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03:57<dihedral>"this box is full of stuff that nearly killed me" - "and what is this?" - "my wedding ring" :-D
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04:00<planetmaker>haha :)
04:16<dihedral>i like the new trailer of UP
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05:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16706 /trunk/src/ (economy.cpp subsidy.cpp subsidy_func.h): -Fix (r16694): acquiring a subsidy resulted in an assertion.
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05:51<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16707 /trunk/src/economy.cpp: -Fix [FS#3007] (r16693): under some circumstances vehicles would skip loading as they thought nothing could be unloaded or loaded.
05:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16708 /trunk/src/lang/english.txt:
05:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Cleanup: do not try to indent strings using spaces, especially strings that
05:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: span multiple lines; it will not get the effect you want. Also do not indent at
05:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: different levels in different strings that will be shown on the same place.
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06:50<dihedral>i have a problem
06:51<benji83>i have a problem with openttd. if i try to start it (gamefiles are in the correct directory) i get the message "openttd: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
06:51<dihedral>HAHA - i am good :-D
06:51<dihedral>i predicted his next line :-D
06:51<dihedral>what does it say?
06:51<dihedral>which file does it mention?
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06:51<Eddi|zuHause>"auch ein blindes Huhn findet mal ein Korn"?
06:51<benji83>anybody an idea what i can do? google doesnt help much for me
06:52<dihedral>what file does it ask for?
06:52<Eddi|zuHause>benji83: three solutions
06:52<@petern>lib I SEE YOU!
06:52<benji83>error while loading shared libraries:
06:52<Eddi|zuHause>1) try to get a package specifically for your distribution, not the generic one
06:52<dihedral>yes, do you have that file on your computer?
06:52<Eddi|zuHause>2) compile yourself
06:52<dihedral>did you search for that file in your package manager?
06:52<Eddi|zuHause>3) get this version of libicu
06:52<dihedral>if yes, did you then install it?
06:52<benji83>dihedral, i make a "find" one mom please
06:53<dihedral>find / ?
06:53<dihedral>well, at least a user with patience :-P
06:53<benji83>find / -xdev ^^
06:54<benji83>Eddi|zuHause, i've used pacman that is the packagemanager from archlinux
06:54<Progman>the problem is not the file
06:54<dihedral>well then, you can see what the packagemanager tells you about that very file
06:54<Progman>its the file this library tries to load
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06:54<benji83>oh ok
06:55<Progman>basically you need to recompile the file
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06:55<dihedral>Progman, dont use such words, they only confuse people :-P
06:55<dihedral>"you need to" tells people that OpenTTD does not always work "out of the box" :-P
06:56<benji83>why? i have no idea where i get the source from that file but with instructions i can compile it with make
06:56<dihedral>or that "work is involved" - oh no
06:56<Progman>benji83: which os do you use?
06:56<dihedral>benji83, 1. google will help you find the source
06:56<dihedral>2. your package manager has probably got a reference somewhere
06:56<benji83>Progman, archlinux
06:56<dihedral>at least it can give you info
06:56<Progman>is there a package manager?
06:56<dihedral>"package manager"
06:57<benji83>comandline pack-manager
06:57<Progman>then reinstall libcui
06:57<Eddi|zuHause>it's probably easier to just recompile openttd without icu support
06:57<benji83>one moment, i need do find the "info"-parameter
06:57<@petern>he's the resident archlinux nut
06:57<Progman>oder libicu, or how it is called...
06:59<benji83>what sounds easyier then find out in wich package the is an recompile that :) so i have to download the latest stable source from openttd and "make" it or are ther some .configure parameters like "--dontuseicu"?
07:00<dihedral>benji83, just get libicu installed
07:00<dihedral>and it is not that hard
07:04<Eddi|zuHause>hm... NASA announced they'll stay with imperial units "because they always did that", and "it's too expensive to switch now"
07:04<rortom>thats not an argument really :|
07:05<Noldo>the related cost was quite big
07:05<Eddi|zuHause>they said they're reusing parts of the shuttle system for ares, and those are in imperial units
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07:14<benji83>i have downloaded the latest stable and after "./configure --without-icu" i ve "make"ed it and got
07:15<Noldo>benji83: add the contents of rev.cpp
07:15<Eddi|zuHause>rev.cpp is an autogenerated file (from
07:16<Eddi|zuHause>it should contain the version string (that is used in the title bar and for identifying compatible versions in multiplayer)
07:16<Noldo>output of configure might be interesting
07:16<Eddi|zuHause>if rev.cpp is mis-generated, this is a bug in the make system
07:17<benji83>so i should nopaste you the output from ./configure ?
07:17<dihedral>just install libicu :-P
07:17<Eddi|zuHause>shouldn't have anything to do with ./configure
07:17<dihedral>benji83, try ./configure with --revision=0.7.1
07:19<benji83>ok, first is try to install icu (hope that libicu is on board with this package) and if this doesnt work i go back to compiling
07:19<benji83>worked :)
07:20<benji83>thanks@all for helping me out
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07:21<dihedral>and nobody mentioned that in the beginning ey?
07:21<dihedral>but you are welcome
07:21<Eddi|zuHause>i should really stop reading alain-posts...
07:21<dihedral>if you are still interested in compiling OpenTTD from source, .... first google, read the wiki, then ask :-D
07:21<Eddi|zuHause>i have really no idea what he is trying to say
07:22<dihedral>Eddi|zuHause, ^^
07:22<benji83>ok dihedral :)
07:22<dihedral>he's trying to be helpful
07:22<dihedral>not being too successful, but he's trying more than others :-P
07:22<Eddi|zuHause>yes, but being ununderstandable is not being helpful
07:23<dihedral><dihedral> not being too successful,
07:23<dihedral>i bet he could not even understand his own posts if he went back and read one of his early posts :-P
07:24<dihedral>i love wt3
07:28<dihedral>it makes it a lot easier when wanting to fix strings
07:28<dihedral>the search feature is great
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09:23<Westie>KingJ, please rage.
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09:24<Jolteon>and karlip as well D
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09:24<Sacro>this is a srs channel
09:25<Jolteon>srs sacro is srs.
09:26<Jolteon>I've met Sacro, he's dead srs.
09:26<Jolteon>dead quiet too.
09:26<Jolteon>from what I saw.
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09:32<@petern>Sacro's having srs?
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09:38<@Rubidium>petern: the 7th bullet of the English wikipedia page?
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10:04<planetmaker> is kinda weired...
10:13<SmatZ>haha :)
10:19<@Rubidium>weired with what?
10:20<@petern>mysql error
10:20<@Rubidium>works fine for me
10:21<@Rubidium>I'm not logged in at
10:21<@petern>Query { SELECT t.*, lc.category_name AS category_name, lv.version_name AS product_version, lvc.version_name AS closedby_version, p.project_title, p.project_is_active, lst.status_name AS status_name, lt.tasktype_name AS task_type, lr.resolution_name FROM `flyspray_tasks` t LEFT JOIN `flyspray_projects` p ON t.project_id = p.project_id LEFT JOIN `flyspray_list_tasktype` lt ON t.task_type = lt.tasktype_id LEFT JOIN `flyspray_list_status` lst ON t.item_sta
10:21<FauxFaux>What db is that? ("Failed! (Incorrect key file for table '/tmp/#sql_69f1_0.MYI'; try to repair it)")
10:22<@petern>hee, that was bit long :D
10:22<FauxFaux>Oh, it is mysql.
10:22<@petern>yeah, some people still use it :s
10:23<FauxFaux>Even the postgres people say it's fast for flat CRUD. ¬_¬
10:23<@Rubidium>petern: is it fixed now?
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10:25<@petern>yeah. took long enough to load the first time
10:26<Ammler>Rubi, just restarted mysql?
10:26<planetmaker>I find it kinda funny that we also build vehicles the same that we build tracks :) I would find it more consistant, if we buy them :)
10:26<@Rubidium>nope, just cleared some crap from /tmp/
10:27<planetmaker>After all we can sell them.
10:30<Ammler>I wouldn't be suprised, if glx use "buy" in french :-)
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10:35<@petern>glx, same here
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10:36<+glx>Ammler: "buy" is not "construire"
10:37<Ammler>yeah, didn't I say, you use it, just sometimes, you already changed things in french to more logical terms. :-)
10:38<+glx>yes I do some adaptation in translations
10:45<dihedral>\o/ my mac's repaired :-)
10:46<planetmaker>hey, congratz! :)
10:47<planetmaker>which reminds me dih: how did you get xchat running on your mac?
10:47<planetmaker>or where did you get a working version?
10:51<dihedral>xchat aqua ;-)
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10:51<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16709 /trunk/src/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#2994]: the list of animated tiles could have duplicates (only for old savegames) and tiles that weren't animated
10:51<planetmaker>hm... I'll have to search for that then. Must have missed it.
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10:51<dihedral>first hit for me :-P
10:52<@Rubidium>oh (near-)native English speaking people, what is your opinion about FS#2991?
10:58<Jolteon>Rubidium: seems petty, from an English standard.
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11:00<@Rubidium>Jolteon: what's pretty? The current thing or what I propose there?
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11:01<Jolteon>the thing he bugged about
11:02<dihedral>i cannot recall what the window looks like
11:03<dihedral>can you not do a download and a cancel button?
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11:06<Jolteon>btw, whats the reason for Oil Refineries being so unstable?
11:07<Jolteon>they're constantly disappearing.
11:07<Jolteon>even if they're in use.
11:07<Jolteon>or maybe it's just Oil Refiners i notice more.
11:08<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16710 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix: invalidate subsidies with invalid source or destination when converting older savegames
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11:38<Ammler>Jolteon: newgrf? (PBI)
11:39<Jolteon>I don't have any industry GRFs.
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13:39<Worldbeing>Hey, anyone know what port the content service uses? I'm behind a fairly restrictive firewall and I'm seeing absolutely nothing when I try to access it... (0.7.1)
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13:43<dihedral>3978 tcp iirc
13:43<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16711 /trunk/src/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use FOR_ALL_SUBSIDIES macro when iterating over all subsidies
13:44<@Rubidium>3978 tcp
13:45<dihedral>i think i must be on his ignore list ^^
13:46<SmatZ>did anyone say anything?
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16712 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: afrikaans - 23 changes by burgerd
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: dutch - 8 changes by Yexo
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: french - 8 changes by glx
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 29 changes by dihedral, planetmaker
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 14 changes by fanioz
13:47*dihedral highfives planetmaker
13:48<Worldbeing>Um, anyone, help? Firewall port for content service...
13:49<Worldbeing>Either that or an explanation of what to do with .tars from the forum would be much appreciated
13:49<dihedral>Worldbeing, <dihedral> 3978 tcp iirc
13:49<dihedral>Worldbeing, <Rubidium> 3978 tcp
13:49<@Rubidium>Worldbeing: what is hard about understanding that 3978 tcp is the answer you're looking for?
13:50<dihedral>i guess he is asking for a port that is not blocked at the company
13:50<@Rubidium>SmatZ: are my letters that small that you need such huge glasses?
13:50<dihedral>Rubidium, are mine that invisible to you? :-P
13:51<Worldbeing>Sorry, for some reason it didn't occur to me that the string of four numbers followed by the abbreviation for a protocol might possibly be a port number...
13:51<dihedral>Worldbeing, jackpot!
13:51<Worldbeing>I blame it on the weather
13:51<Sacro>don't blame it on yourself
13:51<Sacro>just blame it on the weatherman
13:52<Sacro>hmm, no way do I have 1096 days worth of mp3
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14:18<Chruker>Impatience was strong in that one
14:18<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16713 /trunk/src/subsidy_type.h: -Doc: document the Subsidy struct
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14:39<Eddi|zuHause>why do you laugh at documentation?
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14:45<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16714 /trunk/ (16 files in 5 dirs): -Codechange: use pool-like accessors for Subsidy
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14:56<planetmaker>I could use some subsidies for a pool-like structure in my backyard
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15:25<_ln>welcome back, channel
15:31<_ln>what should a tourist go see in the netherlands?
15:32<Eddi|zuHause>are people going to the netherlands for anything other than "coffe shops"?
15:32<andythenorth_>is it nonsense o'clock yet?
15:32<andythenorth_>I've had a pint of cider, that always helps
15:33<@Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: yes
15:33<Eddi|zuHause>i don't think i have ever been there...
15:33<@Rubidium>like those Germans digging (huge) holes in our beaches
15:33<Eddi|zuHause>i've been through belgium on the way from england
15:34<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: but in exchange we have dutch people with caravans blocking the autobahn
15:34<@Rubidium>nice, ain't it ;)
15:36<+glx>Eddi|zuHause: you have these too ?
15:36<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, and there's no end to it...
15:38<Xaroth>_ln: amsterdam
15:38<Xaroth>that about sums it up
15:39<_ln>Xaroth: fortunately, that's on the list
15:39<Xaroth>people would argue that Utrecht is worth visiting
15:39<Xaroth>I.. still don't know what dope they are smoking
15:39*_ln acquired some Danish money today; quite funny looking bank notes
15:39<Xaroth>you going cross country europe or something
15:39<_ln>Xaroth: Denmark, the small country between Germany and Swedens.
15:40<Xaroth>I know where denmark is :P
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15:40<@Rubidium>oh, and Germans really come here for the coffee
15:41<_ln>yeah, we're going to explore especially the Benelux by car, starting from Finland.
15:41<@Rubidium>they claim it's cheaper than in Germany
15:44<@Rubidium>though that makes me wonder why the Germans do their shopping in the NL and the Dutch in Germany... something must be wrong if it's cheaper for both
15:45<Eddi|zuHause>i was in luxemburg last year... and on the luxemburger side they had like 9 gas stations, and on the german side they had 4 supermarkets...
15:52<_ln>are the freeways free in .nl/.be?
15:57<Xaroth>free as long as you don't speed
15:57<Xaroth>small tip, in holland speed limit is usually put on the small distance signs on the side of the road
15:57<Xaroth>(usually, not everywhere), on freeways at least
15:57<Xaroth>so you'll at least have some chance of knowing whether it's 100kmph or 120
15:58<Xaroth>though most of it is either 100 or 80 (bastards tbqhf)
15:59<_ln>good to know
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16:07<Xaroth>_ln: if you want to explore amsterdam, don't go into amsterdam by car
16:07<Xaroth>you can always go by tram/metro into amsterdam, leaving the car outside the city
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16:08<Xaroth>(amsterdam isn't really car-friendly)
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16:24<greg>i had my caps lock on
16:24<greg>no need flaming
16:24<greg>can u help me?
16:24<andythenorth_>nah just ribbing you. the others here are much meaner :(
16:24<greg>Really now..
16:25<greg>Now, i need someone to help me patching this thing..
16:25<frosch123>are you able to compile?
16:25<greg>wats that
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16:25*Chruker runs away
16:25<frosch123>then I guess you have to give it up :)
16:26<greg>learn me to compile xD
16:26<@Rubidium>frosch123: why? dih(edral) wants to help him
16:26<greg>ok but
16:26<Chruker>Lets help a different way, greg, what are you trying to accomplish by pathing ottd?
16:27<greg>Installing the routemaker patch thing
16:27<andythenorth_>uh oh. I think I'm going to need another cider.
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16:28<greg>Now, i have run this tortoiseSVN thing
16:28<greg>i downloaded this source thing
16:28<greg>tried to apply the patch
16:28<greg>but i get all kinds of errors
16:29<dihedral>read the forum thread
16:29<dihedral>read the wiki page
16:29<greg>i have
16:29<greg>i have read the wiki for patching
16:29<dihedral>if questions arise, parse them through google
16:29<+glx>it's a very old patch, you need to get the exact source revision
16:29<greg>i have read the forum thread
16:29<greg>+glx, where do i get that
16:29<dihedral>then you should be fine
16:29<dihedral>read the svn book
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>greg: the needed source revision is in the patch file (one of the first few lines)
16:30<dihedral>or even mentioned in the filename
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>greg: then use tortoiseSVN to "update to revision"
16:30<greg>--- projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj (revision 8566)
16:30<greg>+++ projects/openttd_vs80.vcproj (working copy)
16:30<@Rubidium>I suggest you use one of the binaries in the thread. You not knowing what compiling is means that you don't even have a single clue how to update the patch to a recent version. As a result you would apply it against the old version, which they already compiled and posted on the forum.
16:30<dihedral>wow - that thing IS old
16:30<Eddi|zuHause>that is an extremely old revision...
16:30<+glx>it's way older than I though
16:31<@Rubidium>glx: it's from late MiniIN-ish
16:31<@Rubidium>I could've told you that
16:31<dihedral>why the **** does everybody all of a sudden want to compile for themselves?
16:31<greg>i just want this to get to work..
16:31<greg>nothing else
16:31<dihedral>greg, 'just' ;-)
16:31<@Rubidium>greg: then get the binary from the forum thread
16:31<+glx>anyway the first step before patching is compiling a clean version
16:31<dihedral>either do all the work you need to yourself
16:32<dihedral>or grab a binary from the forum thread
16:32<greg>Binary forum thread what?
16:32<greg>from the download thing
16:32<dihedral>where is the patch located?
16:32<dihedral>in a thread in the forums right?
16:32<@Rubidium>a binary is a (pre)compiled version
16:32<dihedral>then look in that thread for a binary
16:33<dihedral>perhaps an exe or a zip
16:33<greg>yes diheral
16:33<greg>ok thank you i will look..
16:33<greg>if it doesnt work ill reply
16:33<dihedral>if it does not work, you read the rest of that thread
16:33<dihedral>if you still have no answer, you ask google
16:33<dihedral>if you still have no answer you can come back
16:33<dihedral>if we then find an answer within 10 seconds, you are shot :-P
16:34<dihedral>just kidding - we wont shoot you :-P
16:34<@Rubidium>the route marker patch brings back such good memories ;) KUDr and richK67 fighting over why YAPF doesn't support bonuses and only penalties
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>hehe, yeah, i remember that
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>but it's not even YAPF's fault
16:35<Eddi|zuHause>it's how the algorithm works... doesn't have anything to do with the implementation
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16:44<+glx>yeah it's A*
16:47<SmatZ>richk67 was supporting idea of bonuses?
16:47<SmatZ>yay for endless circles with -inf price :)
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16:50<Eddi|zuHause>SmatZ: yeah, the flaw is obvious to everybody else ;)
16:51<+glx>richk is not a coder ;)
16:51<+glx>but he is able to write code
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17:22<greg>i found the thing that auto patches it
17:29<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16715 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: add attribute to assert_compile(), so it doesn't warn when used inside function
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17:33<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16716 /trunk/src/company_gui.cpp: -Codechange: reduce code duplication in DrawCompanyVehiclesAmount()
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17:53<_ln>but C++0x has...
17:53<SmatZ>yeah, lets drop support for gcc4.2 and older
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17:54<@Rubidium>SmatZ: sounds like a good idea... bye bye Apple ;)
17:55<TrueBrain>Rubidium: how about debian-etch? :)
17:55<@Rubidium>am I using it?
17:56<TrueBrain>are you using Apple?
17:56<@Rubidium>I don't care about Apple either
17:56<TrueBrain>oh, I thought we did that game: question - counter question :)
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18:16<Worldbeing>I'm hoping someone can help me out here...I have something of a problem with unloading
18:17<Xaroth>a dutchie might get this one then.. Kissie, Pallet.
18:17<Worldbeing>0.7.1, I have an oil tanker delivering to a dock/lorry station, which is serviced by a lorry connection to a refinery nearby
18:17<Xaroth>if they don't they don't watch enough commercials
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>Worldbeing: "transfer and leave empty" is the order that you want to use
18:18<Worldbeing>That's what I gethered from the wiki
18:18<Worldbeing>Question is how do I set it?
18:18<Eddi|zuHause>use "transfer" from the unloading dropdown, and "no loading" from the loading dropdown
18:19<Xaroth>while having the transfer station order selected
18:19<Worldbeing>I can only work out how to set Transfer and take cargo or Transfer and wait for any full load
18:19<Xaroth>click the arrow button next to them
18:19<Xaroth>makes a dropdown appear
18:19<Xaroth>moat optionz etc
18:19<Xaroth>moar, even
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18:22<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16717 /trunk/src/ (17 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make IsFrontEngine() member of Train
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19:49<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16718 /trunk/src/ (8 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make IsFreeWagon() member of Train
19:49<Sacro> <- my secret :o
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19:53<SmatZ>hmm does trunk compile for you?
19:53<SmatZ>in one of my checkout it does
19:54<SmatZ>in the second, it doesn't
19:54<SmatZ>I can't find any difference...
19:55*SmatZ slaps SmatZ
19:57<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16719 /trunk/src/ (15 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make IsArticulatedPart(), IsTrainEngine(), IsTrainWagon(), IsMultiheaded(), EngineHasArticPart() and IsRearDualheaded() members of Train
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20:21<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16720 /trunk/src/ (4 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: make Set/ClearFrontEngine(), Set/ClearArticulatedPart(), Set/ClearWagon(), Set/ClearEngine(), Set/ClearFreeWagon() and Set/ClearMultiheaded() members of Train
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