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---Logopened Fri Jul 03 00:00:25 2009
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03:54<SmatZ>Sacro: because it's Java?
03:55<TrueBrain>ieuws, java
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04:31<Limpaar>Hi everyone
04:31<TrueBrain>hellow Limpaar
04:31<Limpaar>I need help
04:32<Limpaar>there is one button in ottd which seems to be very useful.. but I don't know how to use it
04:32<Eddi|zuHause>it's the "new game" button, you click on it to start a new game :p
04:33<Limpaar>when you open depo there is one button on the right in the bottom... info says something about automatic replacement
04:33<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: and here I was trying to keep such comments for myself :p
04:33<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, you need to set up replacement rules
04:33<Eddi|zuHause>open the vehicle list, there you click on "manage list"->"autoreplace"
04:35<Limpaar>so I have to create a list?
04:35<Limpaar>autoreplace is transparent
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04:35<Eddi|zuHause>you need to have vehicles first ;)
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04:36<Limpaar>yes I have 22 chimaera trains in the list (each lenght is 96 wagons)
04:37<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: yes, i do not have reached that level of mental control yet
04:37<TrueBrain>I was suprised I had :)
04:38<@petern>win 11
04:39<Limpaar>hmm... so this button is just ment to replace trains to newer types?
04:39<Limpaar>but what about if I want to replace train to same train type
04:39<Eddi|zuHause>well, there is also the "autorenew" setting
04:40<Limpaar>fex if my trains are 40 yrs old and breaking down all the time :D
04:40<Eddi|zuHause>it's in advanced settings->vehicles
04:40<Limpaar>its network game... I can't change advanced settings
04:41<Eddi|zuHause>you can change some of them
04:42<Eddi|zuHause>and i don't think "fex" is an official abbreviation ;)
04:43<Limpaar>isn't it?... I see "fex" in almost all manuals I use at work .. .lol
04:43<Limpaar>fex = for example
04:43<Eddi|zuHause>i learned to use "e.g."
04:43<Limpaar>oh... good ... it works... (autorenew) ... thanx m8
04:44<@petern>written like that in manuals? good god
04:44<Limpaar>e.g. ... what that ment again?
04:44<@petern>exempli gratia
04:44<@petern>or "for example"
04:44<Limpaar>example good ?
04:45<@petern>"for sake of an example"
04:45<Limpaar>well ... what ever... everyone understood :D
04:45<@petern>no, Eddi|zuHause did
04:45<Eddi|zuHause>no... i didn't (at first)
04:45<Eddi|zuHause>i had to read it multiple times
04:46<Eddi|zuHause>which you can't expect people in a chat to do
04:46<Limpaar>chat is the place where people use most of cutting words into letter :D
04:46<Limpaar>isn't it?
04:46<Eddi|zuHause>no, those are sms-kiddies
04:46<@petern>not here
04:47<@petern>txtspk :s
04:47<Limpaar>all kind of "yw, ty, gl, gm, lol, rotflol, etc etc"
04:47<Eddi|zuHause>we are grown ups here [well, sometimes], and know how to express ourselves in full words
04:48<Limpaar>we all do... but we are lazy to type whole words
04:49<Eddi|zuHause>typing a whole word is not slower than thinking of an abbreviation and then starting to type that
04:49<Eddi|zuHause>an abbreviation in a foreign language
04:53<Limpaar>if you visit chat where those are used a lot then you get use to it very fast and don't think before typing
04:54<Limpaar>lol... I'm playing one network game where I have 22 trains and 18 road vehicles... and other guy have 218 planes and 46 trains... bet we have same income ..
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05:01<eQualizer>Eddi|zuHause: Just because you don't know all th abbrevations, doesn't mean they are less good than whole words.
05:03<eQualizer>Most important thing in communication is... I don't remember the word in English. :D
05:04<TrueBrain>that is indeed very important
05:04<eQualizer>But if people understands abbrevations, then I don't see how they are less good than whole words.
05:04<Rubidium>getting the message across?
05:04<eQualizer>Rubidium: Yes!
05:04<TrueBrain>eQualizer: but how do you know if people understand a given abbrevation?
05:05<TrueBrain>I am sure if I use 'iig', Rubidium understand me
05:05<TrueBrain>but ... you won't :p
05:06<Rubidium>idd ;)
05:07<eQualizer>TrueBrain: True. But same goes for, lets say, medical terms. Some might understand, others not.
05:07<Rubidium>though that means the same in Dutch and English
05:07<TrueBrain>eQualizer: so isn't it better to avoid using those words?
05:07<TrueBrain>we can all start talking medical here, but I am sure most will leave before lunch :)
05:07<Rubidium> !
05:07<eQualizer>TrueBrain: Well yes, if it's know that people who are discussing don't know what all the abbreations mean.
05:08<TrueBrain>so that does make Eddi|zuHause statement valid, doesn't it? That it is better to use whole words if you are not sure your audiance knows the abbrevation you want to use? :)
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05:08<Rubidium>TrueBrain: but not always
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05:09<TrueBrain>true :) There are exceptions I guess :)
05:09<Rubidium>for example: Deoxyribonucleic acid
05:09<eQualizer>I got the impression from Eddi|zuHause that (s)he rates abbrevations lower than whole words.
05:09<TrueBrain>LOL! If it isn't Rubidium who comes with some silly thing :)
05:10<TrueBrain>(I can do that too :p)
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05:11<TrueBrain>eQualizer: in my opinion, a few are fine .. but people nowedays overdo it .. the 'sms language' .. blegh :p
05:13<eQualizer>I've read from somewhere that people who use a lot "sms language", are somehow better at something language related than those, who don't use "sms language".
05:13<eQualizer>I could try to find that article...
05:13<TrueBrain>yeah, I know what you mean
05:13<TrueBrain>still ... some people really don't know any more how to write normal, not even in their native language :(
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05:18<eQualizer>If we're talking about english, I would say the problem is in the English's phonemic orthography. Meaning, you can't really tell how some word is pronounced if you haven't heard it before. For example bat and swap are both have "a", but are pronounced differently. Now reverse this, and I would say you're quite close for the reason why people write how they write...
05:18<TrueBrain>it doesn't explain the things like: fex
05:18<TrueBrain>which is just silly, in my opinion
05:19<TrueBrain>haha .. clearly you missed why Eddi|zuHause said what he said :)
05:19<TrueBrain>I rest my case :)
05:19<eQualizer>Ah. :D
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06:15<dihedral>what is it with all these fucking idiots wanting to compile and dont know shit what they are doing!
06:16<Noldo>they are newbies
06:16<@petern>dihedral, clue... "fucking idiots"
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06:27<Rubidium>if the "idiots" would've been "fucking" they wouldn't have time to ask you that...
06:32<blathijs>Better to have them ask stupid questions than to be reproducing themselves, so you should be glad!
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06:41<dihedral>nice one petern ^^
06:44<@petern>i just got an m-audio 2496
06:44<@petern>the box is huge
06:44<@petern>the card inside is... tiny
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07:21<LadyHawk>huge box tiny card... reminds me of the package i had trouble with
07:21<LadyHawk>they came delivering a padded envelope but noone was home
07:22<LadyHawk>so i went to the postoffice to try and collect it for a friend, because he used my address
07:22<LadyHawk>(he's in america, i'm in the uk)
07:22<LadyHawk>postoffice wouldn't give it to me with passport + driving licence (proof of address)
07:22<LadyHawk>managed to get them to redeliver it and i had to sign for it at the door
07:22<LadyHawk>what do i find inside?
07:23*LadyHawk digs up picture
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07:25<TrueBrain>at least Bjarni is more boring in his stories :p
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08:04<Eddi|zuHause>you still have stats?
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08:05<Eddi|zuHause>reminds me of a story
08:05<Eddi|zuHause>there were two boys living near The Wall, and they found a spot where they could climb over it without being seen
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08:05<Eddi|zuHause>in the western part they went to the cinema
08:05<Eddi|zuHause>they didn't have to pay when they said they only had eastern money
08:06<Eddi|zuHause>after cinema they came back over The Wall
08:06<Eddi|zuHause>they did that 15 times before they were caught
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08:06<Eddi|zuHause>they later were convicted for leaving the GDR ("Republikflucht")
08:07<Eddi|zuHause>but one of the persons associated with the court said: if it were up to me, they would get a medal for proving loyalty to the republic 15 times
08:07<Eddi|zuHause>(because they kept coming back)
08:09<Eddi|zuHause>have to move my computer now... may take a while...
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08:34<Chruker>really, a place where they could climb over the wall without being seen?
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08:46<@petern>LadyHawk, lol
08:46<@petern>LadyHawk, signing for a rubber? hehe
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08:56<@Belugas>good day
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08:57<TrueBrain>@kban Xyzzy 60 come back if you intend to stay
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08:58<TrueBrain>join .. 2 minutes later .. leave ... pfff :(
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09:12<SmatZ>TrueBrain: what happened?
09:14<TrueBrain>well, you told me in detail how I should solve this problem I am having :p
09:14<TrueBrain>but that might have been a dream :(
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09:33<CIA-1>OpenTTD: smatz * r16728 /trunk/src/station_gui.cpp: -Fix (r14919): the Join station window didn't show all stations nearby in some cases
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10:08<Eddi|zuHause>yay, it works!
10:09<Eddi|zuHause>now i have another problem...
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10:09<Eddi|zuHause>i need an extension cord for the tv antenna
10:09<TrueBrain>I need a surround system with 2 optical in ... which are not too expensive :p
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10:11<Eddi|zuHause>even worse... i have some spare antenna cords, but no connector for them...
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10:16<TrueBrain>sometimes gives me prices I can't believe .. a discount .. from 50 dollar to 0.01 dollar ..
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10:17<Eddi|zuHause>is that like "cell phone and computer for 1€", if you sign a 25 year contract?
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10:19<TrueBrain>nah, a TOS splitter ..
10:19<TrueBrain>a bit weird ..
10:20<+tokai>TrueBrain: I once ordered notbooks from them for 10 EUR (or similar very small prices), but then too many ppl ordered it too and the corrected their DB and canceled the orders. :)
10:20<TrueBrain>the cancel part that is
10:21<TrueBrain>you can get a normal 5.1 set for like 50 euro ... but that requires analog input ... I don't have anything anymore with analog out :) And those stupid digital stuff cost ... a lot! (decode DTS and DS and stuff ...)
10:21<TrueBrain>and the only piece of hardware which can convert it (DDTS-100) is no longer available in store .. argh!
10:22<TrueBrain>I hate the world :p
10:24*Belugas is happy with his analog-digital-analog system
10:24<@Belugas>although, i guess it's not the same as what yoyu are referring...
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10:25<TrueBrain>depends, if there is [567].1 involved ;)
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10:28<@Belugas>hem.. no, not really...
10:30<fonsinchen>I'd like to know how the "subscroll" in smallmap is supposed to work. Is there anyone around who knows that?
10:31<fonsinchen>In smallmap the scroll in relation to the main viewport is defined by sroll_x, scroll_y and subscroll.
10:31<fonsinchen>scroll_x and scroll_y determine the position in Tiles I think
10:32<fonsinchen>and subscroll is some magic doing the rest
10:35<fonsinchen>Even without zoom a tile can be several pixels large in the smallmap (I think up to 3), so subscroll is used to fix the exact position of the smallmap in relation to the main viewport. I don't know which values of subscroll lead to which kind of offset and the code in OnScroll is incredibly obscure. I just don't get what it's supposed to do.
10:38<fonsinchen>Well, OK, I could have guessed that ...
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10:46<Eddi|zuHause>hm... why did no MacGuyver episode ever tell how to build a BNC cable connector
10:46<TrueBrain>because it is too easy?
10:46<@petern>you just need a paperclip...
10:47<Eddi|zuHause>all material i have is two BNC cables
10:47<Eddi|zuHause>oh, and i have tesa film...
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11:12<Aali>Is anyone in here up to speed on the GPL with regards to dynamic linking?
11:13<TrueBrain>how do you mean?
11:14<Aali>If I distribute an open-source .dll for use with another .dll that is not open, am I in trouble?
11:14<Rubidium>that depends on the version I fear
11:15<Rubidium>this'opinion' is based on the whole gcc discussion about an exception thhey needed for GPL v3 w.r.t. plugins
11:15<SmatZ>isn't LGPL better for libraries?
11:15<Aali>Well, the situation is even more complicated I guess
11:16<Rubidium>which is due to using a GPL v3 API might be troublesome (makes it a derivative or so)
11:16<Aali>I want to use ffmpeg in an open-source .dll that is loaded by a closed-source .dll
11:16<Aali>Can I use the GPL version or do I have to settle for LGPL codecs?
11:17*SmatZ would wonder if you could workaround GPL this way :)
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11:17<Rubidium>SmatZ: the question is whether it's a derivative or not
11:17<Eddi|zuHause>this is a problematic corner case, i think... you should talk to people with more legal insight...
11:19<Rubidium>based on the hall-of-shame page at ffmpeg it's a *very* tricky area
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11:20<Rubidium>on the other hand, the legal page talks about incorporating FFmpeg in propriatary software
11:21<Aali>This will not be used in any kind of commercial product, so I probably won't get in any legal trouble for it.
11:21<Aali>I just want to do the right thing(tm)
11:25<dihedral>love that
11:25<Rubidium>I think you should opt for the LGPL FFmpeg variant and make sure you distribute the source and especially the license of the FFmpeg you're using. I think it's fair to also mention what's being used somewhere in the manual/about window
11:26<Rubidium>but I suggest to search the ffmpeg mailing lists for relevant threads
11:26<Rubidium>and just to be sure: I'm not a lawyer and I don't speak/read lawyerese
11:30<Eddi|zuHause>funny, this actually worked...
11:30<Eddi|zuHause>i have TV ;)
11:31<TrueBrain>I still don't have a 5.1 set :p
11:31<Eddi|zuHause>now i can deliberately have it turned off :p
11:31<Eddi|zuHause>because there's 300 channels and all are sending junk...
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12:01<dihedral> <- 6min in :-) Walter on Terrorists ^^
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12:34<Eddi|zuHause>dihedral: that's kinda cut out of the middle, is there no more complete version?
12:35<Eddi|zuHause>it starts in the middle of a sketch and ends in the middle of a sketch
12:35<dihedral>check the related links ;-)
12:35<dihedral>usually they are on the right hand side in youtube ^^
12:38<Eddi|zuHause>i don't open youtube links...
12:38<Eddi|zuHause>my flash plugin is somewhat broken...
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13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: translators * r16729 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files): (log message trimmed)
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: german - 7 changes by planetmaker
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: hebrew - 2 changes by yitzc
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: indonesian - 28 changes by fanioz
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: korean - 1 changes by darkttd
13:46<CIA-1>OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 85 changes by Tucalipe
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14:33<frosch123>TrueBrain: is it intentional that wt3 allows to commit invalid strings? (the korean one in r16729)
14:34<TrueBrain>frosch123: already taken care of; Rubidium's fault :)
14:34<TrueBrain>(he said strgen worked in a way it doesn't work! :))
14:35<frosch123>ok :)
14:35<TrueBrain>but tnx for noticing :)
14:35<frosch123>i did not notice, strgen did :p
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15:35<Nite_Owl>Hello all
15:35<Nite_Owl>Hello Alberth
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15:55<CIA-1>OpenTTD: yexo * r16731 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_depotlist.cpp: -Fix [NoAI]: AIDepotList contained wrong tiles for hangars when st->xy != st->airport_tile.
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16:01<_ln>are there other useful dutch phrases besides "Pardon, bent u'n Romulaan?"
16:01<_ln>for a tourist
16:03<TrueBrain>"Wil je neuken?"
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16:04<_ln>sounds dirty although i don't quite understand it
16:04<TrueBrain>"Mag ik je de binnenkant van mijn kont laten zien?"
16:05<Nite_Owl>"Pardon but are you a Romulan" ?
16:05<_ln>Nite_Owl: correctomundo
16:05<TrueBrain>Nite_Owl: I completely failed to see how it would be "useful"
16:05<TrueBrain>so I gave him a few other "useful" sentences
16:05<SmatZ>TrueBrain: ??? @ google's translation: "Can I give you the inside of my ass show?"
16:05<TrueBrain>SmatZ: ghehe :)
16:06<TrueBrain>can I show you the inside of my ass, would be more correct translation :)
16:06*SmatZ won't post pics
16:06<TrueBrain>the other was: want to fuck?
16:06<_ln>TrueBrain: well let's imagine you are in a meeting with space aliens of several species (who happen to speak dutch), and....
16:06<TrueBrain>then the only thing I would want to ask is: want to fuck?
16:07<SmatZ>always relevant
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16:08<TrueBrain>as useful as any other, yes
16:08<Nite_Owl>depends on where their genitalia are
16:08<TrueBrain>I am not that picky
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16:10<Nite_Owl>also differentiation of the sexes might be a bit vague
16:10<TrueBrain>this conversation is somehow going the wrong way ..
16:11<jonty-comp>story of #openttd
16:11<@Belugas>i am not a pickle
16:11<jonty-comp>how do we know that?
16:12<Nite_Owl>Also Romulans can be a bit aggressive. Not as aggressive as Klingons but you could still get hurt in places where it is better not to be hurt.
16:12<SmatZ> Belugas posted me his photo
16:12<jonty-comp>they're aggressive, but calculative!
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16:17<_ln>dank je voor het groen olifant
16:21<Nite_Owl>be careful it does not step on you
16:23<Yexo> Rotated airports :)
16:23<Yexo>never mind the graphics
16:24<@Belugas>GIMME THE PATCH!!
16:25<planetmaker>:O @ Yexo
16:26<Nite_Owl>to all of the above
16:26<Farden>rotated airports?
16:27<Farden>(or you give the patch^^)
16:27<Yexo>I'll make my hg repro public after some more work
16:27<planetmaker>Yexo, the dev with the endless supply of hg repos?
16:27<Sacro>mmm, hg
16:27<Yexo>he :)
16:28<Yexo>I hope this one ends up in trunk someday
16:28<planetmaker>If you continue this way, your patches alone will make a formidable patch pack ;)
16:28<planetmaker>*published patches
16:29<@Belugas>nice indeed
16:29*Belugas moved out of the AI and into core OpenTTD
16:29<@Belugas>Yexo moved out of the AI and into core OpenTTD
16:30<@Belugas>need to go home soon or i'll just burst in screamss
16:30<Yexo>unfortunatly I don't have a lot of time in the coming weeks
16:30*Yexo has got a summer job
16:31<@Belugas>and yes, i know the feeling
16:31<@Belugas>although mine is year-round
16:31<Lakie>Hmm... time.... the one think which constantly runs out...
16:31<Yexo>I'm glad mine isn't (yet)
16:31<@Belugas>money too... once with a wife...
16:32<Alberth>Lakie: it is not time, it is priority
16:34<Lakie>Well, you have set peroid of time, and lots of tasks to do in it. Usually the combined time of the tasks is larger than the time we have to do them... (Priority is just trying to do all the important ones in the alotted time).
16:34<TrueBrain>they should have made 1 minute more than 60 seconds
16:34<TrueBrain>would have solved all this
16:35<Yexo>let's just put more hours in a day
16:35<TrueBrain>Belugas: lol :) So when you are in Canada it is normal to work in the night? ;)
16:35<TrueBrain>wow ... don't blow tha thard
16:36<TrueBrain>we have enough wind here as it is :)
16:36*TrueBrain hugs Belugas
16:36<Nite_Owl>working nights is fun
16:36<@Belugas>for you maybe
16:36<TrueBrain>depends if it means you have to sleep in the day or not
16:37<@Belugas>like... for me, it's working underwater
16:37<@Belugas>Hooo Hooo
16:38*TrueBrain wishes all those translators finished what they started ... too many unfinished languages :(
16:38<Nite_Owl>12 AM to 8 AM for over 16 years and I am still addicted to that schedule even though I do not work it anymore
16:38<TrueBrain>AM/PM is the worst system ever invented ... who figured that it would be sane to go from 11 PM to 12 AM to 1 AM?
16:38<planetmaker>TrueBrain: chain them to a PC and only set them free, if they're at 100% ;)
16:38<TrueBrain>how does that make sense?
16:39<planetmaker>TrueBrain: use 24h notation :P
16:39<TrueBrain>ZULU times if needed :p
16:39<TrueBrain>but AM/PM ... it sucks ass
16:39<planetmaker>TrueBrain: yes, they do :) I won't contradict.
16:40<@Belugas>a ass is a big piece of meat to suck... you'll have to try something else...
16:40<Nite_Owl>okay 0:00 to 8:00 - happy now
16:40<planetmaker>and I don't like it as it highlights me.
16:40<@Belugas>-a +an
16:40<TrueBrain>ass highlights you?
16:40<TrueBrain>silly planetmaker
16:40<TrueBrain>Nite_Owl: yeah, that makes me happy :)
16:41<TrueBrain>as least I can read that ... ;)
16:41<TrueBrain>and that is when you sleep? Else you have a very short day :s
16:41<Nite_Owl>that is when I use to work
16:41<TrueBrain>ah :)
16:42<TrueBrain>so you rarely see daylight
16:42<TrueBrain>so you are a minion?
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16:42<Nite_Owl>I went to sleep around 14:00
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16:42<TrueBrain>(I played a total of 20 hours Overlord 2 the last few days :p)
16:42<SmatZ>bad bad TrueBrain
16:42<Yexo>I hope for you few > 5 :p
16:43<TrueBrain>Yexo: euh ... no? :'(
16:43<Nite_Owl>and got up around 22:00
16:43<TrueBrain>Nite_Owl: nasty schedule ... ;)
16:43<Nite_Owl>I loved it - still do although I have modified it a bit
16:44<TrueBrain>you can never go to a social activity in the afternoon :)
16:45<Nite_Owl>I usually sleep around 06:00 now and get up around 14:00
16:45<Aali>Overlord 2?
16:45<Aali>is that the sequel to Overlord?
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>hm, i think i need some kind of USB hub and an external USB DVD writer, so i can place the computer into the room next door
16:46<TrueBrain>(what kind of question is that? People can be so stupid! (Jeff Dunham style))
16:46<Eddi|zuHause>the most efficient way to quiten the computer ;)
16:46<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: if you go sit in the room nextdoor, you don't need to
16:46*TrueBrain hugs Aali
16:46<Aali>TrueBrain: sweet, see you in a few days
16:46<TrueBrain>but it was a stupid question :)
16:47<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: well, the point is to still have access to the computer :p
16:47<TrueBrain>Die Hard 2, not the sequal
16:47<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: overrated
16:47<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not in the mood to go cold turkey :p
16:48<Yexo>my secondary monitor suddenly went black, and now it stinks like something burned in there :(
16:48<@petern>oh dear
16:48<Eddi|zuHause>Yexo: that is sad to hear
16:48<TrueBrain>Hint to all: don't cook on your screen
16:48<Eddi|zuHause>monitors tend to do that occasionally
16:48*TrueBrain sends Yexo a new screen
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>TrueBrain: why do they make it warm enough to cook an egg then?
16:49<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: <- this solves lal your problems!
16:49<Eddi|zuHause>old! :p
16:49<TrueBrain>(with tnx to Belugas :))
16:50<TrueBrain>they should invent cold-screens
16:50<TrueBrain>would be useful in this weather
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16:50<Eddi|zuHause>damn, i should not start watching a series that late into the season...
16:50<TrueBrain>so download the older ones first ...
16:50<Yexo>cooling laptop: the more work the cpu has to do the cooler they become <- that would be useful with this weather
16:51<Eddi|zuHause>you watch like 20 episodes in a row, and then need to wait half a year for the next episode
16:51<TrueBrain>Yexo: so build one!
16:51<TrueBrain>use qubits! :)
16:51<TrueBrain>Eddi|zuHause: worse: I used to watch 4 or 5 episodes a week (all kinds of series)
16:51<TrueBrain>now I have nothing to watch ...
16:51<TrueBrain>so I went to movies ... but they tend to run out fast :(
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>i have like 500GB of unwatched movies...
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>i tend to like series more...
16:52<TrueBrain>so the summerstop is for you to catch up on 500 GB of material
16:52<Eddi|zuHause>but there are only like 3 series on right now...
16:52<TrueBrain>hmm .. I really want a surround system :)
16:52*TrueBrain hugs Eddi|zuHause
16:52<TrueBrain>poor thing :)
16:52*Sacro has 5.1 with DTS and DD
16:52<Sacro>oh and THX
16:53<Eddi|zuHause>i have 5.1 onboard, but never got around to install more speakers
16:55<Eddi|zuHause>during the season i have usually 2 episodes per day
16:56*petern has 2.0 with ... ...
16:56<@petern>coincidentally, i also have two ears
16:57<@petern>and THX is bollocks these days
16:57<@petern>any old shitter can get it
16:57<@petern>just have a big sub
16:57<Rubidium>petern: but you also have a gut, so you need at least 2.1
16:58<@petern>i leave the bass response to my 2.0, thanks
16:59<Sacro>Belugas: excuse you
16:59<@Belugas>booooohooooo :(
17:00<@Belugas>I do not have to excuse me, it was the sound of peter's bass making my system rumbling
17:00<@Belugas>not some part of my anatomy expressing something
17:01<planetmaker>TrueBrain: you know what would be interesting: if you could define another fall-back language than English for languages in OpenTTD :)
17:01<planetmaker>or rather an additional, intermediate one.
17:02<planetmaker>Like Portuguese for BrazilianPortugues or alike
17:03<Rubidium>what's the point of that?
17:03<@Belugas>or french? mmh... why not french? there are two (alomst two) french speaking devs!
17:03<Rubidium>besides making stuff more complex and more prone to errors
17:04<Farden>someone has said the word french?
17:04<Rubidium>it was you... twice!
17:04<Farden>yeah, but I have a reason
17:04<Farden>i'm the Official French Guy from openttdcoop
17:05<@Belugas>FRENCH french FRENCH
17:05<_ln>Rubidium: well, a lot of things that support localization in the first place also support having a list of preferred fallback languages.
17:05<Farden>hey, stop that'
17:05<Rubidium>Farden: so?
17:05<Farden>it's cheating!
17:05<Farden>my secret highlight!
17:06<Rubidium>Belugas is the offical French Canadian developer of OpenTTD
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17:08<CIA-1>OpenTTD: rubidium * r16732 /trunk/src/network/network_content_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#2991]: show Close instead of Cancel when there's nothing to canel in the content downloading window.
17:09<@Belugas>glx is the official French French developer of OpenTTD
17:10<Farden>yeah, I know glx
17:10<planetmaker>Rubidium: another Fallback-language would give the chance to display text which is more likely to be understood, should the primarily chosen language fail there.
17:10<@Belugas>you know him? like... on a daily basis? like... going to the pub?
17:10<@Belugas>ike... you can recognize him on the street?
17:11<Farden>I mean I know who he is
17:11<Farden>the guy who translated all ottd in French
17:11<Yexo>planetmaker: just fix the primary language :)
17:12<Farden>I know we French people are only 65 millions
17:12<@Belugas>i used to do it too, you know
17:12<planetmaker>Yexo: don't tell that me :) I can only try to improve right now what exists :)
17:12<@Belugas> along time ago...
17:12<Farden>but it's not a reason to know everyone^^
17:12*planetmaker points at today's wt3 commit
17:12<@Belugas>i translated on the first two versions of WT
17:13<@petern>being an english-only speaker, i've never seen it
17:13<Rubidium>planetmaker: good luck with mix'n'matching cases
17:14<planetmaker>Rubidium: that's a good point :)
17:14<_ln>petern: are you seriously saying you can't speak any foreign language, even a little?
17:15<planetmaker>Though, of course, then the whole string could be drawn from another language. But then it's not easy anymore ;)
17:15<@petern>c'est vrai
17:15<@petern>i can speak american too :D
17:16<_ln>what aboot canadian?
17:16<Nite_Owl>y'all wanta soda
17:16<Sacro>canadian eh?
17:17<@Belugas>canayen, ok la?
17:17<Eddi|zuHause><planetmaker> Like Portuguese for BrazilianPortugues or alike <- you forgot the obvious one... Ammler-german falling back to real german :p
17:17<Rubidium>planetmaker: OpenTTD doesn't take strings from another language; it just takes what's in the language file
17:17<Sacro>if in doubt fall back to Ammler
17:18<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: then it's strgen that needs to be changed
17:18<planetmaker>Rubidium: and for not-translated there's an English string there?
17:18<Rubidium>planetmaker: yes
17:19<Eddi|zuHause>not "uh-oh", it makes the task easier ;)
17:19<Eddi|zuHause>just feed 3 txt files to strgen
17:19<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: you mean make strgen aware of which strings are used in what manner so strgen can replace them with the strings from the base language ought one of them not be translated and the base language uses cases?
17:21<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: i'm not entirely sure what you are saying :)
17:21<Rubidium>e.g. portuguese uses cases and brazilian portuguese too, but different ones... how to mix'n'match?
17:22<Rubidium>your German (by speech) 'friend' said that it should, if there isn't a brazilian portuguese translation get the whole string (including substrings) from portuguese
17:25<@Belugas>night all
17:25<@Belugas>i'm gone
17:25<Rubidium>night Belugas, happy weekend (I hope)
17:26<Yexo>night Belugas
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: just strip the cases from those strings?
17:27<Eddi|zuHause>let the translator figure it out...
17:28<Nite_Owl>later Belugas
17:29<Rubidium>and you'll probably end up chaining more than two languages
17:29<Yexo>let the translator figure it out... <- let's give the translator more work, after all, he has time enough, since the translation is finished (oh, were did we start again?)
17:30<Rubidium>ghehe... all the complaints... why did you use Swiss German for that string?
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18:29<TrueBrain>Sacro: I am looking for a set which support that .. and two optical in .. which is the main problem it seems :(
18:30<TrueBrain>planetmaker: I rather hang people for not translating fast enough :p
18:30<Sacro>TrueBrain: hm?
18:31<Sacro>two optical?
18:31<Sacro>mine only has one
18:31<TrueBrain>as I said: which is the main problem :p
18:31<TrueBrain>I have an XBox360 and a small computer
18:31<TrueBrain>both optical out
18:31<TrueBrain>of course I can convert one to coax, but that is just silly
18:32<TrueBrain>logitech 5400 has 2 optical in .. but they no longer sell it. The 5500 only has one. Go figure :(
18:32<TrueBrain>(and the 5500 is VERY ugly :()
18:32<Sacro>i have the 5500 D:
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18:33<TrueBrain>sorry: it is very ugly!
18:33<Sacro>and you can get a TOSLINK switcher
18:33<Sacro>hmm, i guess you are right
18:33<TrueBrain>the 5400 was more pretty :)
18:33<Sacro>I can only see the centre speaker and unit though
18:33<Sacro>the rears are behind me
18:33<TrueBrain>then it is okay :) What I read the quality is next to perfect
18:33<Sacro>the fronts are on my window ledge behind some curtains
18:33<Sacro>oh god yes,
18:33<Sacro>my housemate in the room above bought the exact same ones
18:34<Sacro>he has em hooked to a wii and an imac
18:34<TrueBrain>and any switcher/splitter/whatever only makes things more complex again .. not a single source to switch between inputs
18:34<Sacro>why doesn't your pc use 3.5mm jacks?
18:34<blathijs>TrueBrain: It's hard to find a speaker set with just one digital in, let alone two :-)
18:34<TrueBrain>I have a Dell Studio Hybrid
18:34<Sacro>if you want 5.1 then that's the only way
18:34<TrueBrain>very small computer
18:34<Sacro>unless you have dts live or dd whatsit
18:34<Sacro>dd live or dts whatsit even
18:34<TrueBrain>blathijs: any surround system with DTS has digital in (either optical or coax)
18:35<blathijs>TrueBrain: I got a set of Behringer monitor speakers, since I couldn't find decent and affordable stereo speakers with digital in
18:35<Sacro>i have PC on 3*3.5 and coax
18:35<Sacro>and XBOX 360 via optical
18:35<TrueBrain>blathijs: ah, normal speakers, yes ;)
18:35<TrueBrain>Sacro: why both? (coax and 3x?)
18:35<Sacro>TrueBrain: 3x is for normal usage
18:35<blathijs>I don't need a home cinema setup to listen music in my 6m^2 work room :-)
18:36<Sacro>as I don't have an encoder
18:36<Sacro>i switch to coax for films and dts encoded music
18:36<TrueBrain>blathijs: I just want 5.1 ... on the xbox that is so much cooler :)
18:36<TrueBrain>Sacro: ah, yes :) But you should be able to send non-encoded over the optical too, not?
18:36<TrueBrain>(as the optical is just a carrier, not a protocol)
18:37<Sacro>yes but it'll only be stereo
18:37<TrueBrain>Sacro: oeh, you should be able to tell me this: the 5500, does it extend 2.0 sound to 5.1? (in any ... listenable way?)
18:37<Sacro>Yep, it has Pro Logic
18:37<Sacro>Music and Movie, it's not so bad
18:37<TrueBrain>perfect :)
18:37<TrueBrain>what I miss about the 5400/5500, is an ipod dock ;)
18:37<Sacro>that or it can make rear left = front left and rear right = front right
18:37<Sacro>errrm, I can hook mine to my ipod dock
18:38<TrueBrain>yeah, but I don't have a dock (yet) :p
18:38<Sacro>it has a 3.5mm line in on the right hand side
18:38<Sacro>so i can hook that to my ipod
18:38<TrueBrain>as I don't use 3x 3.5 I have 3x in :p
18:38<TrueBrain>(which I strangly enough need :p)
18:38<Sacro>do you have dd live or dts connect on your pc?
18:39<TrueBrain>no idea :p
18:40<Sacro>hehe, i'll go with no then
18:40<Sacro>nice box though
18:40<Sacro>looks sexy
18:40<TrueBrain>which box?
18:40<TrueBrain>lol, I have a Intel HD Audio Controller ... I guess it has nothing :p
18:41<TrueBrain>it doesn't even a mic in :(
18:41<Sacro>just looking at the studio hybrid
18:41<TrueBrain>ah :) Yeah, those hybrids are lovely :)
18:41<TrueBrain>I sadly enough bought a T5750
18:41<TrueBrain>which is a big mistake
18:41<TrueBrain>(not VT-X)
18:41<Sacro>you might have to join the 2 optical things
18:41<Sacro>ouch :(
18:41<Sacro>i love having amd-vt
18:42<TrueBrain>I wish I had .. well .. I have a secondary machine here which now takes care of that load :)
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18:42<TrueBrain>joins are nasty, as one of the two sources need to be disabled in order for it to work
18:42<TrueBrain>(or they get a bit more expensive ;))
18:43<TrueBrain>oh well .. tomorrow I go shopping by all those nice stores ... see if they have something in my price class I like .. but I am afraid I end up with the 5500 anyway :p
18:44<TrueBrain>I wish they still sold the DDTS-100 :(
18:47<TrueBrain>yeah, but as I said: I am not going to buy some expensive set, to change something on an other thingy in my room when I change medium
18:47<TrueBrain>if I do things, I tend to do them good, or not at all :)
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18:48<TrueBrain>but converting to COAX costs 20 euro or so ... so I guess that is the other alternative
18:48<TrueBrain>that or a completely different set :)
18:49<Sacro>or get an auto switching box
18:49<Sacro>but they are expensive
18:49<TrueBrain>too expensive I guess
18:49<TrueBrain>how is the auto-sense of the 5500?
18:49<Sacro>what do you mean?
18:49<Sacro>it doesn't have it
18:49<TrueBrain>you have to do manual switching?
18:49<TrueBrain>sucks :p
18:49<Sacro>it comes with a remote
18:49<TrueBrain>I would expect it to detect signal over a source, and switch to it :p
18:50<TrueBrain>I thought the 5400 had that .. but I read so many reviews today, that I might be mixing it up with an other :p
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18:54<TrueBrain>well, there is always this:
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19:07<TrueBrain>I can get that for 130 euro ... feels wrong :p
19:08<TrueBrain>oh well
19:08<TrueBrain>good night!
19:08<Sacro>night TrueBrain
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19:09<rortom>didnt you want me to give that climbing hall name?
19:09<Sacro>ooh climbing
19:10<rortom>(meaning rock-climbing)
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19:37<@Belugas>[17:25] <Rubidium> night Belugas, happy weekend (I hope) <--- well.. given that i've canceled my weekend of diving in order to take ocare of any problems with the customer, given that i'm locked at home for same reason, i'd say it does not start on the right foot
19:38*petern hugs Belugas
19:38<@Belugas>on the other hand (of foot), my boss gave me what he was proposing to sell me, to compensate for the loss.
19:38<@Belugas>thanks petern ;)
19:39<@Belugas>petern, let say we will both enjoy the effect of the said object ;)
19:39<@Belugas>whooooo whaaaaaa!
19:39<@Belugas>ok ok... i don't have it yet, should be by monday, but still :D
19:39<@Belugas>kiddo to bed now
19:39<@petern>oh, shame :/
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20:04<@Belugas>damned, hell, damnation and all those funny things you do not want to deal with...
20:04<@Belugas>weeke starts the wrong way
20:04<@Belugas>hi solo
20:04<@petern>it should start on monday
20:04<@petern>and end on mondy
20:05<@Belugas>hey solo, where is Han?
20:05*Belugas goes back to work
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20:08<@Belugas>Useless Proverb 2:21 and after :D
20:09<@Belugas>VIVE DEATHMOLE!
20:14*petern figures out routing in reaper
20:15<@petern>although i can only use vstis
20:16<@Belugas>routing? you mean sending it to ninjam?
20:16<@petern>creating a virtual instrument track and then sending it to the ninjam track
20:20<@Belugas>gotta show me how when i'll be available
20:20<@Belugas>shitty work
20:22<Eddi|zuHause>what happened to the times where you could just pipe the output of one program into the input of the other program?
20:22<@petern>the routing matrix is on the view menu
20:23<@petern>Eddi|zuHause, you can... with jack... on linux
20:23<@petern>or, i suppose, jack on osx or windows
20:24<Eddi|zuHause>i never really figured out how sound on linux works...
20:24<Eddi|zuHause>i am glad that it "just works"
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20:27<@petern>alsa or oss don't let you route between apps
20:27<@petern>anyway, with reaper on windows, it's just one app with its own internal sound paths
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20:29<Eddi|zuHause>i remember dos had limited piping ability
20:29<Eddi|zuHause>but i rarely used it except for | more
20:31<@petern>and complete unrelated, fortunately
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21:11<@Belugas>pfff.... finally...
21:12<@Belugas>ok... so... let's go down now
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