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13:14<TrueBrain>Belugas: 13 hours of silence, but you had to say hi ... :'(
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13:30<@Belugas>believe me, it was not on purpose...
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13:32*TrueBrain hugs Belugas
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13:38<@Belugas>same, dear friend, samo
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r17718 /trunk/src/lang/ (afrikaans.txt unfinished/frisian.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: afrikaans - 35 changes by Maccie123
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frisian - 50 changes by Minifan
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14:19<fonsinchen>Microsoft lets you register VC++ Express with an email address you don't own ... :)
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14:52<fonsinchen>How do I analyze a core dump in VC++?
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14:57*Belugas cannot answer that one
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15:01<@Belugas>ho boy... just read the post from SAC
15:01<@Belugas>that is sooo tragic
15:10<+glx>fonsinchen: just open the dmp in VC
15:10<+glx>then press run
15:10<+glx>of course you need the right exe with corresponding pdb in the same dir
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15:12<fonsinchen>in the same dir ... aha
15:12<Nite_Owl>Hello all
15:12<fonsinchen>what is pdb?
15:14<fonsinchen>I have built a debug binary of (hopefully) the same version with VC ... this should do, I guess.
15:14<+glx>probably not
15:15<+glx>but you don't need to use a debug build to analyse the dmp
15:15<+glx>you just need the exe used to create it and the pdb
15:16<fonsinchen>The exe has been built by some forum user and he didn't post pdb.
15:16<+glx>quite impossible to debug then
15:18<fonsinchen>well, anyway, the crash log says: Reason: Assertion failed at ..\src\strings.cpp:974: v != NULL
15:18<fonsinchen>Does anyone remember a bug like that around r17268?
15:18<+glx>so failed when drawing a string it seems
15:18<fonsinchen>It seems to have vanished in later versions, but I don't know details yet.
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15:19<fonsinchen>But as I haven't done anything about it, I guess it was some bug in trunk that has been fixed in the meantime.
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15:19<fonsinchen>unfortunately I don't have a backtrace ...
15:19<+glx>check the logs :)
15:20<fonsinchen>I did. Nothing obvious.
15:20<+glx>well you have a trace, it's in the dmp :)
15:21<+glx>but I know it's useless for you right now
15:21<fonsinchen>yes, but the symbols are missing. And I can't read hex like a book.
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15:23<+glx>that's why we keep pdb of all our published builds ;)
15:25<fonsinchen>Understandable ... someone should explain that to all forum users who create patched builds ;)
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15:30<+glx>pdb is next to the exe in objs/win32/release :)
15:31<+glx>but most forum users don't even report bugs in patched builds ;)
15:32<+glx>then the patch author thinks there's no bugs :)
15:33<+glx>(the usual "well tested, desync free", and we find a possible desync by just reading the diff ;) )
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15:41<PeterT>anyone use MinGW?
15:42<PeterT>what do you use?
15:42<frosch123>iirc the compile farm does. ask dorpsgek, they are good friends
15:42<Xaroth_>but I don't compile ottd :P
15:42<Xaroth_>only opendune
15:43<PeterT>why did you ban me?
15:43<Xaroth_>I didn't?
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15:43<PeterT>would you unban me?
15:43<frosch123>from #opendune?
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15:44<Xaroth>That decision is not up to me
15:44<frosch123>sorry, but i guess i would get banned there, if i ask for unbanning you :p
15:45<Xaroth>nah, you won't
15:45-!-mode/#openttd [+b *!] by DorpsGek
15:45-!-PeterT was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [asking in this channel about why you are banned in other channels deserves a ban I think ...]
15:45<frosch123>evening TrueBrain
15:45<TrueBrain>hi frosch123 :)
15:45<TrueBrain>and we will never ban you :)
15:46<Xaroth>Laugh at you, possibly, but not ban :P
15:46<TrueBrain>frosch123 is nice, nothing to laugh at :)
15:46-!-mode/#openttd [-b *!] by DorpsGek
15:46<Xaroth>then again, what are the odds of you asking for him to get unbanned anyhow
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15:46<frosch123>when did i ask?
15:46<Xaroth>you didn't :)
15:47<TrueBrain>bah, I now need to make 6 keystrokes to type Rubidium :(
15:47<SmatZ>you TAB broke, TrueBrain?
15:47<TrueBrain>SmatZ: no ...
15:47<TrueBrain>Konversation doesn't auto-fill, but gives this annoying popup
15:48<TrueBrain>so I am conditioned to type enough letters to give an unique hit
15:48<TrueBrain>but by the joining of another user, that is no longer valid for Rubidium
15:48<TrueBrain>(sorry for the highlights :))
15:48<SmatZ> /kick Rubix`` please change your name so it doesn't begin in "Ru" or any first two letters of other devs' name
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15:48<TrueBrain>SmatZ: ghehehe :) You are getting there PYI :p
15:48<Xaroth>frosch123: the 'laughing at' part was for the unlikely chance that you would ask :)
15:49<PeterT>I'm sorry
15:49<frosch123>SmatZ: i guess PeterT is really unlucky with your new rule
15:49<TrueBrain>PeterT: I would be a poor operator if I wouldn't have kicked you for that .. you have that coming for miles :)
15:49<PeterT>from #openDUNE
15:49<PeterT>it's ok
15:49<SmatZ>frosch123: hehe :)
15:49<PeterT>It was my falut
15:50-!-mode/#openttd [+o frosch123] by DorpsGek
15:50*SmatZ gives PeterT one Swap operation
15:50<TrueBrain>either way .. enough fun for one day, back to work ..
15:50<Xaroth>uh oh
15:50<@frosch123>you can have lots of fun at work
15:51<TrueBrain>frosch123: I do :) But at this stage it requires a lot of concentration :)
15:51<@frosch123>of course you can also make the whole company laugh about you on the first day
15:51<Xaroth>TrueBrain: and a lot of prodding me? :P
15:51<PeterT>SmatZ: why is it bad that someone's name begins with the same two letters that the devs name is? was that a joke?
15:52<TrueBrain>PeterT: no joke, and frosch123 will enforce the rule
15:52<TrueBrain>(ghehehe :p)
15:52<Xaroth>PeterT shares 5 letters ?
15:52<@frosch123>TrueBrain: tired of kicking?
15:53<SmatZ>petern isn't here
15:53<SmatZ>@seen petern
15:53<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: petern was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <petern> *want
15:53<Xaroth>SmatZ: so?
15:53<TrueBrain>I just realised most users here do differ in the first 2 letters
15:53<Xaroth>heh, even when he's not here we can all see how fond he is of correcting people's english :P
15:53<TrueBrain>frosch123: something like that :p
15:54<Muxy>hI, i'm back with my string parameter...
15:54<TrueBrain>34 of the 111 users I can not reach within 3 keystrokes (including a tab)
15:54<TrueBrain>not bad
15:54<TrueBrain>oh, 36 of the 111 .. I need to learn to count :p
15:54<TrueBrain>@calc 36 / 111
15:54<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0.324324324324
15:55<TrueBrain>haha, 432 432 432 :)
15:55<Muxy>i have a string defined with parameter : watching {STRING} in the lang file
15:55<TrueBrain>@calc 476 / 111
15:55<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 4.28828828829
15:55<SmatZ>tokai & tokar
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15:55<SmatZ>@seen tokar
15:55<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: I have not seen tokar.
15:55<SmatZ>@seen tokai
15:55<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: tokai was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 3 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <tokai> I wonder why apps break all the time with an new OS release under Mac OS X.
15:55<Muxy>i set this as the title of a window
15:55<TrueBrain>@calc 479 / 111
15:55<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 4.31531531532
15:55<Muxy>and i would like to fill the parameter
15:55<TrueBrain>I can't do math ... /me goes hide in a corner
15:56<@frosch123>[21:56] <TrueBrain> haha, 432 432 432 :) <- you were not very concentrated at school, were you? :p
15:56<TrueBrain>frosch123: am I now? :p
15:56<Muxy>i tried with SetSParamStr( 0, "blabla" ) but it doesnt work. do you have any clue about this ?
15:56<Xaroth>that's what they invented calculators for
15:56<Muxy>hum SetDParamStr... of course
15:57<@frosch123>@calc 111111111^2
15:57<@DorpsGek>frosch123: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
15:57<@frosch123>@calc 111111111**2
15:57<@DorpsGek>frosch123: 12345678987654320
15:57<@frosch123>^^ my favorite computation during boring lessons
15:57<TrueBrain>hihi :) The last number is wrong :p
15:58<SmatZ>bad DorpsGek
15:58<TrueBrain>how is that possible, I wonder :p
15:58<SmatZ>@calc 111111111 * 111111111
15:58<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: 12345678987654320
15:58<Xaroth>@calc 111111111**3
15:58<@DorpsGek>Xaroth: 1371742108367626879107072
15:58<@frosch123>obviously dorpsgek uses double precision
15:58<@frosch123>only 16 digits
15:59<TrueBrain>still weird
15:59<TrueBrain>@calc 111111111**2 + 1
15:59<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 12345678987654320
15:59<TrueBrain>hehe :)
15:59<TrueBrain>DARK HOLE!
15:59<Muxy>@calc 0/0
15:59<@DorpsGek>Muxy: Error: float division
15:59<Xaroth>@calc 111111111**2 + 2
15:59<@DorpsGek>Xaroth: 12345678987654322
15:59<TrueBrain>black hole of course would be the correct english word ...
16:00<TrueBrain>@calc 111111111**2 + 1 - 111111111**2
16:00<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: 0
16:00<TrueBrain>look mom, I can do math!
16:00<PeterT>@calc 1/0
16:00<@DorpsGek>PeterT: Error: float division
16:00<TrueBrain>once again, we have shown that 1 == 0
16:00<Muxy>@calc -0/-0
16:00<@DorpsGek>Muxy: Error: float division
16:00<Muxy>@calc -0/0-
16:00<@DorpsGek>Muxy: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
16:01<PeterT>there is no opposite of zero
16:01<TrueBrain>PeterT / Muxy: ANY number divided by 0 is 'impossible' ....
16:01<TrueBrain>no need to test them all
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16:01<TrueBrain>PeterT: for sure there is a +0 and a -0
16:01<TrueBrain>(/me points to one-complements)
16:01<Muxy>@calc 0-/-0
16:01<@DorpsGek>Muxy: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
16:01<PeterT>0 is just 0, there is no negative or postive
16:01<TrueBrain>yes there is
16:01<Muxy>@calc 0-\-0
16:01<@DorpsGek>Muxy: Error: unexpected character after line continuation character (<string>, line 1)
16:01<TrueBrain>Muxy: start a PM with DorpsGek, this is annoying
16:02<Muxy>back to the channel subject. is there a way for me to display my param in my string ?
16:02<SmatZ>@calc 1 / (12345678987654320 - 12345678987654321)
16:02<@DorpsGek>SmatZ: Error: float division
16:02<@frosch123>what kind of param?
16:02<TrueBrain>nice SmatZ :)
16:03<Muxy>as i said : i defined a string in the lang file "blablabla {STRING}"
16:03<Muxy>and i set this string to a window title
16:03<Muxy>and in the Paint i would like to fill the param
16:03<@frosch123>so use SetDParam
16:03<Rubix``>sorry i was afk
16:03<Muxy>so i used the SetDParamStr(0, "tralala" ) but not good
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16:04<@frosch123>SetDParamStr is for {RAWSTRING}
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16:04<@frosch123>do you want to insert another STR_xxx or a char * ?
16:04<Muxy>okay, and SetDParam( 0, "glouglou" ) will be ok ?
16:04<SmatZ>I think strdup("glouglou")
16:04<SmatZ>not sure
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16:05<SmatZ>if that one crashes, try it with strdup()
16:05<SmatZ>not the other way around or it will leak :-p
16:05<Muxy>frosch123: i would like to insert a char *
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16:06<@frosch123>then you need {RAW_STRING} in english.txt
16:06<@frosch123>and SetDParamStr
16:06<@frosch123>without strdup i guess :)
16:06<Muxy>ah ok, {STRING} should be used only to insert a string from lang...
16:07<PeterT>@seen Akoz
16:07<@DorpsGek>PeterT: Akoz was last seen in #openttd 3 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 33 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Akoz> @calc exp(-100)
16:07<@frosch123>note that only english.txt distinguishes between RAW_STRING, STRING, STRING1 ... STRING5. other languages only use STRING
16:08<Muxy>i read that a long time ago. it means...
16:09<@frosch123>... that english.txt contains the important stuff, while the rest is simplified
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16:11<Muxy>SetDParamStr works fine with {RAW_STRING}, thx men...
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16:11<+glx>Muxy: it's easy when you know it :)
16:12<Muxy>yeap, and when it works, it's great...
16:12<PeteT>frosch123, thanks, my xchat kept joining twice when I opened it
16:12*Muxy working on my watch patch through a viewport window
16:13<Lolwut>just got 1,000,000 loan payed off
16:13<Lolwut>now wat?
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16:14<@frosch123>start 5 ais and try to buy them all
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16:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r17719 /trunk/src/ai/api/ai_engine.cpp:
16:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Change: [NoAI] Make AIEngine:CanRefitCargo() not report refittability to Mail
16:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: by default for aircraft. It is not necessarily true, and the special case of
16:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: carrying both passenger&mail is better handled by AIs themself than by the API.
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17:07<_ln>don't tell me Brüno was dubbed into german
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17:17<_ln>thank you for not telling me
17:19<@Belugas>I'm telling you that Germain has rubbed Brüno
17:19<@Belugas>ho ...
17:19*Belugas waves goodnight
17:19<Nite_Owl>later Belugas
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18:07<Eddi|zuHause><_ln> don't tell me Brüno was dubbed into german <- i actually have no idea... i believe borat was dubbed, but i didn't watch it in german
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18:12<_ln>they speak quite authentic german in Brüno now and then, i don't understand how the funniness of that could be maintained if it's dubbed.
18:13<Eddi|zuHause>i had no incentive to watch Brüno anyhow...
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18:14<_ln>it was a stupid movie mostly, with a few funny parts that would have worked better as separate sketches.
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