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---Logopened Sat Nov 07 00:00:20 2009
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01:52<DDR>Hello, all. I am undoubtedly being dense, but: where can I find the 'readme's for the newGRFs?
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03:12<DDR>Waaaiiittt... I think I found it.
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03:35<De_Ghosty>it's hidden
03:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17990 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Add widgets enum for dropdown menu window.
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04:19<DDR>Say, does anyone know why the mp servers only seem to consist of large maps?
04:19<DDR>Was there a decision, a discovery, some years ago that small, relatively crowded maps are Not Fun?
04:20<DDR>Or is it just an unpopular playstyle?
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04:24<DDR>And: If I start a game in the 1600s, (I tried this a while ago) it seems that truck price quickly becomes huge compared to the small profits they make... and I go under.
04:24<DDR>Has anyone else noticed this?
04:32<frosch123>disable inflation
04:33<frosch123>prices increase faster than payment with inflation enabled; so if the vehicles do not advance wrt. performance you will get into trouble
04:34<DDR>Ahhhh.... that's what inflation is for. I wondered...
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04:59<Terkhen>good morning
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05:15<SmatZ>morning Terkhen
05:26<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17991 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Use WD_VSCROLLBAR_WIDTH constant in dropdown menu window.
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06:26<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17992 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Merge some parameters of the dropdown menu.
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06:39<Luukland>* drums
06:39<Luukland>Its JOHNNY!!!
06:39<Luukland>Or Luukland
06:39*Luukland waves
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07:24<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17993 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Move widget and data initialization into the dropdown menu class.
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08:57<Harsi>Ahoj tak kdo tu umi cesky?
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08:59<Alberth>it works better if you type plain english
09:00<thingwath>(or at least use diacritics)
09:00*frosch123 understands the last word, which reveals the rest \o/
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09:03<frosch123>Harsi: <- in other cases :)
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09:04<Harsi>I must find some czech openttd canal
09:09<Harsi>Bye bye
09:10<thingwath>Harsi: Zkus tohle.
09:11<Harsi>aa vidim ze ty mi rzumis:)
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09:26<Guest1121>is it possible to use sdl under windows?
09:27<frosch123>maybe, try "openttd -v sdl"
09:27<Guest1121>he sayes there is no such video driver
09:27<frosch123>but no idea :)
09:27<+glx>it is possible, for mingw build compiled using sdl headers
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09:28<pete>is there a ready-to.go build or have i compile it myself?
09:29<+glx>you have to compile yourself
09:29<+glx>and not with MSVC
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09:40<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17994 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Codechange: Make the dropdown menu window use pure nested widgets.
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10:18<Wolf01>hello :D
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10:20<Luukland>hellow Wolf01
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10:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17995 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Codechange: PreventHiding() is used in one file, make it static.
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11:38<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r17996 /branches/0.7/src/ (newgrf.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.cpp newgrf_spritegroup.h):
11:38<CIA-4>OpenTTD: [0.7] -Backport from trunk:
11:38<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Fix: [NewGRF] 'last_value' and 'reseed' are shared between procedure and main chain, 'scope' and 'count' are not (r17672)
11:38<CIA-4>OpenTTD: - Change: [NewGRF] Apply default refitmasks only when the NewGRF did not set any of the three refittability properties (xor mask, positive classes, negative classes) (r17663)
11:44<Lakie>Any of the developers around?
11:47<blathijs>Lakie: Better just ask your actual question :-)
11:47<Lakie>Heh, I'm having problems with grf train sounds.
11:48<Lakie>I think its down to the samples but the person providing them rejects that claim.
11:48<Lakie>But I can't see anything wrong with my code. :(
11:48*Lakie shall paste bin it
11:48<+glx>train sounds should work (they do for ukrs)
11:51<Lakie>I'm assuming its my code, or the sample broken not openttd
11:53<Lakie>From what I understand, that should play Sr1_acc.wav when it goes under a tunnel, but I get no sound at all, same happens if I replace say leaving a station.
11:53<Lakie>(It does work in TTDPatch, so I didn't notice until said sound author complained)
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11:54<+glx>hmm can be the frequency, but it's just a guess
11:56<Lakie>So it'd be something wrong with the sample, not the code?
11:56<+glx>it could a bug in our code too :)
11:58<Lakie>Heh, ok.
11:58<+glx>ukrs works btw (just checked)
12:00<Lakie>Yeah, I think it might be the sample, as I said it plays fine in TTDPatch, I'll see if I can't get the sample's specs to workout if its wrong.
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12:03<frosch123>Lakie: he can try starting ottd with "openttd -d grf=2" and it might print something like "LoadGRFSound: channels %u, sample rate %u, bits per sample %u, length %u"
12:04<frosch123>btw, anyone knows whether grfsounds work on big endian machines?
12:07<frosch123>or does anyone know whether 'uint32 u = '\0\0\0A' is 65 on all machines?
12:08<Lakie>I don't have a big endian machine. I think most of those are either ARM or (old) Macs?
12:09<Lakie>Also, I think its been encoded incorrectly, as I do not see that line, only "dbg: [grf] [test.grf:4] GRFDataBlock: block name 'Sr1_acc.wav'..."
12:10<frosch123>grep for 'LoadGRFSound', it might print other stuff
12:10<frosch123>like something invliad
12:13<Lakie>Not in the output anywhere
12:13<frosch123>it should directly follow the GRFDataBlock line :o
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12:14<Lakie>Nope. :(
12:14<frosch123> default:
12:14<frosch123> sound->file_size = 0;
12:14<frosch123>uhm, what? there are no other chunks except data and fmt allowed? :o
12:15<frosch123>might be a bit restrictive :p
12:15<frosch123>'RIFF', 'WAVE', 'fmt ' and 'data' are the usual tags of wav files
12:16<frosch123>but various recorders include other stuff
12:17<Lakie>Hmm. ok
12:18<Lakie>Unfortunetly, I don't really have software to encode or decode audio files as such.
12:18<frosch123>well, ottd is really too restrictive here :)
12:20<Lakie>Heh, ok.
12:24<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17997 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp widgets/dropdown.cpp window.cpp window_func.h): -Codechange: Introduce functions for querying top and bottom of the main view.
12:27<Lakie>frosch123: is there a particular reason I can't pipe the output to file using the ">" or ">>" operators in windows?
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12:28<frosch123>windows? ask glx :)
12:29<Lakie>And, I've looked through the wav file in a hex editor it includes 2 extra bytes in "fmt " and a "fact" section, removing those makes it work, so yeah, too restrictive. ;)
12:29<+glx>you need to convert openttd.exe to a console app
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12:46<CIA-4>OpenTTD: alberth * r17998 /trunk/src/widgets/dropdown.cpp: -Fix (r17994): Use a consistent item list width.
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13:05<@DorpsGek>Muxy: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is
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13:20<Lakie>frosch123: should it not just skip chunks it does not understand?
13:22<frosch123>yup :)
13:22<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r17999 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: [NewGRF] Improve parsing of RIFF data. Skip unknown chunks and check chunk sizes.
13:22<Lakie>Cool. ^_^
13:22<+glx>thx for the report ;)
13:23<Lakie>No problem, will that also be ported to the next 0.7.x or is the next release 0.8.x anyway?
13:24<frosch123>quite some stuff has been backported to 0.7, so it also wants to get released :)
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r18000 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: greek - 1 changes by fumantsu
13:45<slowpoke>hey there
13:48<slowpoke>i am looking for a grf with (passenger)stations where you could see waiting passengers standing on the tracks.
13:49<slowpoke>cant find it and dont remember the name. someone got a hint for me please?
13:50<Hirundo>You realize that the waiting passengers will die when the train arrives, if they are standing on the track?
13:50<muep_>openttd needs its share of violence
13:52<slowpoke>oh yes. im afraid of my mother pop in my room and see me gaming and not killing some people
13:55<Ammler>well, you can kill quite easy in TTD, you need to play quite many shoters to kill more than I did with it.
13:56<Ammler>specially since yapp
13:57<Ammler>the killer feature in any means ;-)
14:01<frosch123>shut up, ursula might be listening
14:10<De_Ghosty>when i see grf
14:10<De_Ghosty>i keep thinking girlfriend
14:17<frosch123>"-Feature: [NewGRF]" ?
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14:48<frosch123>hmm, he, why was there no r18000 party?
14:49<Alberth>the translators are celebrating
14:50<Prof_Frink>In greek.
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15:24<ltsampros>to idio kanei k o allos
15:31<welshdragon>english only!
15:32<frosch123>or at least use diacritics
15:33<+glx>or utf8
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15:44<ltsampros>sorry guys. just wrong window
15:44<ltsampros>and btw you don't want to receive utf-8 in greek.
15:45<+glx>why ?
15:45<+glx>I have no problems with it :)
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15:46<+glx>I can receive almost anything with arial unicode :)
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15:51<ltsampros>glx: probably a good client will show it. but that depends. in my greek world, there is no standard on whether the irc client should sent iso-8859-7 or utf-8 and there is always a confusion between greek irc users
15:51<+glx>that's why utf8 exists
15:52<+glx>everybody should use it :)
15:57<ltsampros>but some people are stuck with old settings.
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16:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18001 /trunk/src/video/sdl_v.cpp:
16:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Codechange: [SDL] When the mouse cursor is locked into position when scrolling
16:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: a viewport, warp the mouse pointer to the centre of the window. This gives
16:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: maximum freedom of movement. The pointer position is restored when the lock is
16:41<CIA-4>OpenTTD: removed. Visually the mouse cursor stays where it was.
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16:44<@Rubidium>ltsampros: but there is a standard in this channel!
16:45<planetmaker>:-O A commit by peternn
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16:51<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18002 /trunk/src/lang/greek.txt: -Change: add cases to Greek and use them (fumantsu)
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16:59<_ln>a petern!
16:59<@petern>an _ln!
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17:06<Eddi|zuHause>it's alive!
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17:29<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18003 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Cleanup: prune some unused functions from Window
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17:37<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18004 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Codechange: Deduplicate some magic.
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17:48<CIA-4>OpenTTD: frosch * r18005 /trunk/src/ (30 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: Convert the Prices struct into an array and an enum.
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19:27<Terkhen>good night
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