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---Logopened Thu Nov 19 00:00:24 2009
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05:31<@petern>hmm, FIRS seems to have way too many industries and cargos to be fun
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05:35<@petern>i started a map with low towns and low industries and it's still chock full of industries
05:35<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, ECS has a similar problem
05:36<@petern>and thus it's hard to get into
05:36<@petern>you have to look at a ton of industries to know what goes where
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05:43<JVassie>I havent tried it yet
05:43<JVassie>probably should
05:44<CIA-4>OpenTTD: peter1138 * r18178 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Let NewGRF Add window's text filter expand.
05:49<Eddi|zuHause>how about making this filter persistent?
05:50<@petern>provide a patch? ;)
05:51<Eddi|zuHause>there's an "improved newgrf window" patch for ages...
05:52<Eddi|zuHause>adding newgrfs is such a hassle...
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05:56<@petern>well fix the patch for nested widgets? ;)
05:56<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18179 /trunk/src/town_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the town authority window RTL aware
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06:10<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18180 /trunk/src/news_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the news history window RTL aware
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07:09<fonsinchen>I guess this one is a bug:
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07:20<JVassie>andythenorth, you there? :)
07:21<JVassie>i presume you probably know the answer to this
07:22<JVassie>but which sets are currently FIRS compatible?
07:22<JVassie>NARS? PJ1K?
07:22<andythenorth>NARS yes
07:22<andythenorth>PJ1K tes
07:22<JVassie>perfect thnx
07:22<andythenorth>2CC Trainset
07:22<andythenorth>canset 3 will be
07:22<andythenorth>canset 3 is partially
07:22<JVassie>ooh lovely
07:22<andythenorth>canset 2 sorry
07:23<andythenorth>us set partially
07:23<andythenorth>using us set + canset together gets support for most cargos, but not all :|
07:23<andythenorth>there is good ship support ;)
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07:28<JVassie>EO1: Incompatible Set
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08:54<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18181 /trunk/src/ (strings.cpp table/control_codes.h table/strgen_tables.h): -Add: the concept of zero filled numbers to strgen
08:56<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18182 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: use the zero fill control code instead of duplicating strings with 'only' the 0 differing
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10:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18183 /trunk/src/newgrf_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the NewGRF window RTL aware
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11:27<CIA-4>OpenTTD: glx * r18184 /trunk/src/os/windows/ (crashlog_win.cpp -Codechange: add crash screenshot for win32
11:33<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18185 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix: the up/down buttons had the wrong logical ordering with RTL. Also one of the tooltips was incorrect.
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12:39<DJNekkid>guys ... what is the purpose of action0 property 12 ? (for trains, and it's siblings in other vehicles)
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12:49<welshdragon>If anybody wants an ubuntu 9.10/kubuntu 9.10/ubuntu server 9.10 disk straight from Canonical please email me:
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12:56<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18186 /trunk/src/ (widget.cpp widget_type.h): -Add: a widgets for left/right arrows with the ability to turn themselves around when a RTL language is loaded
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12:57<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18187 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: make the advanced face selection, custom currency, difficulty, news settings, signal, sign and vehicle details window RTL aware (use the arrow widget)
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13:01<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18188 /trunk/src/ (order_gui.cpp widget.cpp widget_type.h widgets/dropdown.cpp): -Codechange: s/NWID_BUTTON_DRPDOWN/NWID_BUTTON_DROPDOWN/g
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13:08<Eddi|zuHause>you added a redundant letter!! why does nobody ever think of the entropy!!
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13:08<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18189 /trunk/src/ (55 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: remove some now unneeded strings
13:09<frosch123>Eddi|zuHase: what is redundant?
13:11<Eddi|zuHause>"natural languages" have a great deal of redundancy. "everybody" [who remotely knows the language] can derive from "drpdown" that there's an 'o' to insert
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13:11<Eddi|zuHause>many languages (from ancient egyption to modern arabic) don't write down vowels at all
13:12<Wolf01>evening :D
13:12<Eddi|zuHause>it's a Wlf!
13:12<frosch123>ddzhas: k :)
13:13<frosch123>oh, i failed :(
13:13<Eddi|zuHause>yes, you did ;)
13:13<Eddi|zuHause>this is a corner case anyway, as it's more difficult if you leave out the vowels AND the word separators...
13:15<Eddi|zuHause>plus, it doesn't work as well, the higher the ratio of vowels in the language is
13:15<Rubidium>jhvhstthdr <- whtdsthtmn?
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13:15<Wolf01>today was a good day to die
13:16<Eddi|zuHause>and we missed it!!
13:16<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: i can only figure out "what does that mean?"
13:17<Rubidium>so vowels aren't that useless after all, though... maybe I should add spaces
13:17<frosch123>Did you mean: yhwh tthdr
13:18<Rubidium> jhvh s t th dr
13:18<Rubidium>frosch123: nope :)
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13:19<Wolf01>somebody *again* knocked my car with his car doors, I parked my car in the middle of the parking area... today is the day we have street market so the area would have been filled with cars about 30 minutes after I parked there :P
13:20<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: it's mostly that you are not used to reading that way... it would make perfectly sense if that was how it's done for centuries
13:21<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: there are a few ambiguous cases, that need a little time to resolve
13:21<Eddi|zuHause>especially since english has a lot of monosyllable words
13:21<Rubidium>Eddi|zuHause: "a jehovah is at the door"
13:22<Eddi|zuHause>well, technically, that'd be a jehovah's witness ;)
13:23<Eddi|zuHause>and depending on your interpretation, "j" would be a vowel, too ;)
13:23<Rubidium>no..., not the witnesses of a jehovah, the jehovah itself... if that exists, but I assume it does because otherwise you can't be of said entity
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13:26<Eddi|zuHause>Rubidium: maybe you remember that scene of stargate [movie] where daniel jackson tries to figure out the egyptian writing at the other planet, and the woman corrects his pronunciation by filling in different vowels
13:29<Eddi|zuHause>anyway, vowels are very redundant parts of the average language, especially if they are inbetween two consonants
13:29<frosch123>actually google was right with "yhwh", just different transcription
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13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: translators * r18190 /trunk/src/lang/ (catalan.txt french.txt serbian.txt spanish.txt):
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: catalan - 3 changes by arnau
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: french - 1 changes by glx
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: serbian - 2 changes by etran
13:45<CIA-4>OpenTTD: spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen
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14:02<Hirundo>MSVC complains about r18173: c:\program files\openttd\is\src\smallmap_gui.cpp(955) : warning C4146: unary minus operator applied to unsigned type, result still unsigned
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14:32<@petern>GREAT GIGS
14:32<@petern>IN THE SKY
14:38<Eddi|zuHause>gnarf... a filling just dropped out...
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15:34<Nite_Owl>Hello all
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18191 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttdgui.nfo openttdgui.pcx): [OTTD_GRF] -Codechange: add an mirrored 'play' button for the RTL interface
15:34<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18192 /trunk/ (7 files in 3 dirs): -Codechange: make the music window RTL aware
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16:07<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18193 /trunk/src/cheat_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the cheat window RTL aware
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16:21<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18194 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Codechange: make the AI 'config' window RTL aware
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16:53<Markk>Is there any swedes around? Or danish/norwegians?
16:55<Markk>I try to translate "Branch line" and "sidings", but "sidings" is "Stickspår" and "branch line" I haven't found any good translation for. Any idea?
16:55<_ln>*Are there
16:55<Markk>Thanks :)
16:55<_ln>you're welcome
16:56<frosch123> <- hmm, does everyone understand "set to zero" as imperative? i.e. that the grfauthor should set it to zero, not ottd/ttdp
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17:11<Rubidium>s/set to/must be/ might make it clearer
17:13<frosch123>hmm, ok, i take "should be"
17:14<frosch123>currently they are ignore, but maybe that won't stay forever and then zero would keep the stuff compatible
17:14<frosch123>byez Belugas
17:15<planetmaker>ciao Belugas
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17:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: rubidium * r18195 /trunk/src/ (misc_gui.cpp settings_gui.cpp widget.cpp window_gui.h):
17:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Codechange: move the child padding calculation/handling to WWT_FRAME
17:49<CIA-4>OpenTTD: -Fix (r18168): crash when switching languages when a non-standard font height is used
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19:44<Sacro>Anyone know who runs the Speedy goal serverS?
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20:08<Mickster04>any goal server admins about? like the points scoring system. i would like to ask for help:/
20:10<Sacro>Mickster04: oi, that's my question :P
20:11<Sacro>actually, where are all the devs...
20:12<Mickster04>there are 100 ppl online an noone is talkin:p
20:13<Mickster04>its only 1:13
20:13<Sacro>I'm also noicing the lack of old skool devs :(
20:13<Mickster04>im watchin some bug program with the delightful voce of david atenborough
20:14<Chruker>I dont recall much chatter about goal server
20:14<Mickster04>well i wanna set one up an would love any help anyone can give
20:15<Mickster04>i wouldnt know where to stat see
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20:16<Chruker>The goal server thingy is still some extra patch, right? Ie. not a part of the openttd pacakage (yet)
20:16<Sacro>but can't find any source code
20:16<Sacro>nor binaries
20:16<Mickster04>i dunno where to look for either
20:17<Mickster04>sacro u on wave?
20:17<Mickster04>wanna make one from scratch?
20:17<Sacro>i amon wave
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20:17<Mickster04>i should have u then
20:17<Sacro>and not really no
20:17<Sacro>Yes, there's a freeside wave i'm in
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20:18<Mickster04>yeah ill have u then but nm
20:18<Sacro>well i'd rather hack onto an existing noe
20:19<Mickster04>i know
20:19<Mickster04>but i woudnt know what to do about getting hold of even an old one
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20:22<Mickster04>shame openttd doesnt give you more help on the wiki
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20:26<Chruker>mickster, I just search through my IRC logs for the channel and it looks like all the goal servers are using there own homemade code, and the few projects that have existed either died or havent released any patches.
20:26<Mickster04>Chruker, do you know if any of the goal servers' admins are talkative?
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20:27<Chruker>I dont know, but you could always try and contact some of those that run 0.7x goal servers.
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20:32<Sacro>Mickster04: i'm aware of that
20:32<Mickster04>ok just checking
20:32<Sacro>i'm friends with the guy who wrote it and an admin on his server :p
20:32<Mickster04>have u looked into it?
20:33<Sacro>not code wise
20:33<Sacro>tcl isn't something i've ever done
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20:44<Mickster04>right im off
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