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02:45<Thanark>Just started, anyway to copy-paste orders from one bus to another?
02:48<Eddi|zuHause>with the second bus, when you click "go to", don't click on a station, but click on the first bus
02:48<Eddi|zuHause>also, if you ctrl+click, the orders get shared, so changes to one also affect the other
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02:48<Eddi|zuHause>(order list must be empty)
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03:24<Thanark>Anyway to change the interface size to larger without going to double? Text is alittle small but double size interface is way to big
03:25<__ln__>you're welcome
03:38<@Alberth>Don't know of any 1.5 size gui buttons
03:39<@Alberth>you can change text to anything though by using truetype fonts
03:40<FLHerne>Thanark: Linky
03:41<Thanark>Most of its just fine but when I look at the vehicles and it goes the "profit this year" part, its in a different font and its bad.
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03:44<FLHerne>"Create proper font settings page" is on a few lists of things that would be neat, but because it's totally platform-specific Someone™ would need knowledge of Windows, macOS, Linux (plural?), *BSD, ...
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03:52<Thanark>Amazing, that worked great. Thanks folks
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05:10<@peter1138>there's a patch for it but it's nasty
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06:53<milek7>is it possible to add something like GSStation::SetCargoRating to nogo api?
06:53<milek7>or it is blasphemy to change anything in api? :p
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07:05<@Alberth>is cargo rating of any use?
07:06<@Alberth>it's mostly a balancing thing
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07:24<FLHerne>Seems to matter in vanilla, but tbh in FIRS I just ignore it, the supply-chain arrangement is far more important
07:43<@Alberth>FIRS doesn't vary production by rating :)
07:44<@Alberth>which means there are only two stages in building a network, the initial setup without supplies, and then extend to handle supplies, and you're done
07:58<FLHerne>Well, it still affects how much of the produced cargo you actually get
07:58<FLHerne>But that's insignificant compared to the 4x-multiplier thing
08:00<V453000>how evil is it to release every version of BRIX as a different GRFID to bananas? :)
08:01<Wolf01>If the versions have breaking changes then is the right thing to do
08:02<Wolf01>I hate when I get new grfs and they use the old parameters I set and NOTHING works
08:15<V453000>well BRIX is just visual so it can't really break anything
08:16<V453000>but it might make sense for people to select which version they want for that same reason
08:16<V453000>+ you can disable some parts by parameters so eventually you could for example use everything from 0.0.1 and vehicles from 0.0.3
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10:54<Wolf01>Lightning storm, router disconnected for unknown reason
10:54<Wolf01>And now it's connected at less than half the speed...
10:56<Alkel_U3>the god of thunder is leeching your bandwidth, obviously
10:57<Alkel_U3>also, can you send some of the storm over? It's hotter than desirable here
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10:57<Wolf01>It's still hot here
10:57<Wolf01>Ok, not like the last week
11:00<Wolf01>Ok, so it's not my router's fault, the uptime shows 330 hours
11:00<Wolf01>ISP fucked up again
11:03<Alkel_U3>I'm curious, do you live in such a god-forgoten rural area there isn't any infrastructure or a city, where reworking the infrastructure is costly and requires digging up streets?
11:04<Alkel_U3>I hope not both? That would have to be like a ghost town in the fifth dimension or something :-)
11:05<Wolf01>The nearest ISP node is at 7km from my house
11:05<Wolf01>It goes slightly better near town center
11:06<Wolf01>But here... we have the same infrastructure since the road was built... 38 years ago
11:06<Alkel_U3>shortes route or the length of the cable? I've heard of people having a DSLAM like, 500 m from their house and the cable going around so much they end up with about 3 km
11:07<Wolf01>Length of the cable, as technicians said, the node is at 5km bird fly
11:07<Wolf01>Maybe less
11:09<Alkel_U3>I've seen one xDSL ISP starting to offer 250/25 in suitable locations, wonder how close one has to be for that
11:09<Wolf01>We can't go more than 7M/256K, the best I can have is 4M/32K
11:10<Wolf01>Maybe 4M/50K when planets align
11:10<Alkel_U3>isn't LTE a better option?
11:11<Wolf01>Yes, but it costs a bit
11:11<Wolf01>And isn't really "flat"
11:11<@peter1138>32K? Haha
11:11<@peter1138>Um, sorry. Commiserations.
11:12<Wolf01>All the offers have a virtually unlimited data with max 7GB/week or such... with updates, steam, netflix and youtube I do 7GB in 2 days
11:12<Alkel_U3>one can get a location-locked LTE flat-rate for similar price to DSL here, but that's quite new
11:14<Wolf01>We could have the same xDSL from different ISP (like vodafone), but always xDSL and with NAT
11:14<Wolf01>But it costs a bit less than this one
11:15<Wolf01>They also sell you 100/25 and you get 30/10 if you are lucky
11:16<Alkel_U3>yeah, the phone wires got severed from the phone company here, too.
11:17<Alkel_U3>that is reasonable speed, I shared 30/10 with 2 people and was quite ok
11:17<Alkel_U3>now I share 30/30 with 3
11:17<Alkel_U3>and also we have 1:5 agregation :P
11:18<Wolf01>I share mine with 4 people, with an average of 7 devices connected
11:18<@peter1138>"unlimited" "max 7GB/week" .. er...
11:19<@peter1138>mine is not unlimited
11:19<@peter1138>i only get 1TB a month
11:19<@peter1138>i also pay for 80/20 and get 80/20
11:19<@peter1138>most i've used in a month is 250GB so i'm happy
11:19<Alkel_U3>heh, I'm the last one in this flat who doesn't have a switch in his room
11:19<Wolf01>Oh, 7GB/week is also 1GB/day
11:20<Wolf01>They really like these limits
11:20<Alkel_U3>there's even a switch in the kitchen. oher than the router
11:20<@peter1138>i have no computer equipment in my room ;)
11:20<Alkel_U3>that sounds beautifull
11:21<@peter1138>but then i do have the whole house to fill with stuff instead
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13:00<andythenorth>V453000: got any screenshots from trying snow over tinted ground?
13:00<V453000>tinted = green or gray?
13:00<andythenorth>the greige tint
13:00<andythenorth>warmed up grey
13:00<V453000>probably not anymore
13:00<V453000>but it was real shit
13:01<andythenorth>except that would need texture and shit
13:01<andythenorth>and the trees should be coloured
13:01<V453000>iz horribly bright
13:01*andythenorth wants something to try tinting in photoshop
13:01<andythenorth>I reckon stripped ground colour can be made to work
13:01<andythenorth>but needs coloured trees and shit, and the contrast might be nasty
13:02<V453000>the gray will work :)
13:02<andythenorth>it does
13:02<andythenorth>I just don’t like it :)
13:02<V453000>that's fine
13:02<andythenorth>it’s technically valid
13:02<V453000>that's why I will make both versions, green and gray
13:02<V453000>eventually maybe more
13:02<andythenorth>‘choose your base set’ :P
13:02<V453000>each of them will be different grfid so anyone can choose
13:02<V453000>there is no point in me making this shit for years and then not exporting 2 different colours which for me is literally one checkbox with the system I have built in after effects
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13:08<eekee>how do you stop trains from picking some random depot to go to whenever?
13:09<eekee>is a go to depot order not enough?
13:10<eekee>andythenorth: neat! is this for a lunar mod?
13:10<V453000>there's probably going to be some tint, sure :)
13:11<V453000>it doesn't have to be 100% dead
13:11<V453000>will see
13:11<eekee>fun :)
13:12<Arveen2>that light gray looks better than the dark one imo
13:12<andythenorth>the thing that didn’t work definitely was monochrom all trees and shit
13:12<andythenorth>although /me plays with trees off
13:12<V453000>yes that's for sure
13:12<eekee>i like the slight tint in the last link
13:12<V453000>everything else must have something if the ground is desaturated
13:13<eekee>what about turning trees into boulders?
13:13<V453000>some trees are boulders already :)
13:13<eekee>ah :D
13:13<V453000>don't have them rendered yet but yeah
13:13<V453000>reworking all trees basically
13:14<eekee>i think it's not lunar if the natural surface is colorful, but town buildings (domes?) could be
13:14<V453000>the idea isn't to make it lunar :)
13:14<eekee>aw! ok :)
13:15<eekee>ages ago i had some lunar mod ideas, but was too busy then
13:15<V453000>well I'm too busy now, but eh :D
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13:27<eekee>hm, not a servicing issue, but one little bit of track missing
13:38<Wolf01>Out for dinner, better if I shutdown too, light come and go
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13:58<@Alberth>V, petroleum fuels, nuts yellow + red, looking great :D
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14:13<Alkel_U3>eekee: if you plop at least one "go to depot", possibly with "service when needed", in a vehicle's order list it will completely stop the default depot-seeking behaviour
14:14<eekee>great, that's what i thought, thanks Al
14:15<Alkel_U3>also there's an order for "go to nearest depot", which, IIRC, has the same effect and can possibly work on multi-tracked, multidepot lines
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14:29<andythenorth>rescaled from 10/8 to 8/8
14:29<andythenorth>probably better
14:29<andythenorth>super-realism eh?
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14:43<supermop_>cute diesel andy
14:44<supermop_>not going to draw on the warbonnet in 2cc?
14:45<andythenorth>probly not
14:47<supermop_>does anything in IH have a grey/silver body?
14:48<andythenorth>livestock wagons :P
14:48<andythenorth>or everything if you choose grey or white as CC
14:57<andythenorth>heh antelope roster was already heading towards 8/8
14:58<andythenorth>also valid for USA eh :P
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15:33<Wolf01>Good, reset the xDSL line and got again full bandwidth
15:34<__ln__>full 4mbps?
15:34<Wolf01>A full 3/4
15:35<Wolf01>Perfectly normal
15:36<Wolf01>Router says 4.3Mbps, test says 3.8
16:01<Arveen2>real life download says 3.5 and ISP says 16 :D
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16:12<@Alberth>and now you hope the remote was not the bottleneck :)
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16:14<Eddi|zuHause>Wolf01: that depends on whether the router accounts for protocol overhead in its calculation
16:14<andythenorth>so how do livery over-rides work then?
16:14<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: weird, don't do them
16:14<andythenorth>are they in any way reliable?
16:15<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: basically, the engine says "if wagon <X> is attached, it should look like <Y>"
16:15<andythenorth>in principle I want that
16:16<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: but you could do the same thing by making the wagon check the front engine
16:16<andythenorth>to make unpowered coachs look like railcars when attached to railcars
16:16<andythenorth>I wondered about just doing it in varact2
16:16<andythenorth>I already have code for that
16:17<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: then use that, treat wagon override as a deprecated feature
16:17<andythenorth>ok thanks
16:18<Wolf01>Eddi|zuHause: I know, I should also take account of all the packet errors which is another big overhead
16:18<Wolf01>Wow, no errors so far, usually I have a lot of them
16:21<Wolf01>Also I have 378Kbps up, let's see how long it last
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17:43<eekee>buh? in nuts, meow caboose can't follow meow engine
17:48*eekee uses the caboose alone; boggles at flatbed truck coming out of the depot before engine :)
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18:09<eekee>pff XD i thought a pick-up station would be ok with not quite enough platforms / queuing area. i was wrong, and the resultant tailback reached the *entire* length of my main line
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19:27<Eddi|zuHause>that happened to me quite a lot in cities skylines
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