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---Logopened Wed May 15 00:00:40 2019
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06:07<andythenorth>bananas is erroring again, no useful output just "Unexpected error while uploading."
06:07<andythenorth>possibly the unicode failure again? :)
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06:09<andythenorth>yeah An unhandled exception was thrown by the application.
06:09<andythenorth>might not be same cause, but same behaviour
06:10*andythenorth was all set to ship a Horse release :D
06:10<Artea>it comes with Hemp wagon ?
06:10<andythenorth>not yet
06:10<andythenorth>maybe later :P
06:11<@peter1138>Bit early for lunch.
06:13<andythenorth>only a bit
06:13<andythenorth>hmm I need to remember how to musa
06:13<andythenorth>also obligations
06:13*andythenorth must to bike time
06:13<@peter1138>Bike time tonight.
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06:16<@LordAro>peter1138: can confirm
06:16<@peter1138>Your bike time too?
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06:18<@peter1138>Was that your bike time completed?
06:18<@LordAro>peter1138: tonight, i mean
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06:19<@LordAro>going up a big hill today
06:26<@peter1138>Any thing famous?
06:42<Eddi|zuHause>famous as in Everest, Matterhorn?
06:43<Eddi|zuHause>Eiger north face?
06:44<@peter1138>Probably not quite that famous.
06:47<@peter1138>My nearest on that list is no. 23
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07:04<Eddi|zuHause>i'm pretty sure i've never heard of a single of those places
07:10<@peter1138>Well it is UK specific.
07:10<@peter1138>And hills, not mountains :p
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07:58<@LordAro>peter1138: nothing quite so famous, though i do have several of those near me -
07:58<@LordAro>i want to do Rosedale Chimney this year
07:58<@LordAro>it looks hilarious
07:59<@peter1138>Pretty sure I've done that many many years ago as a teenager. By done I mean "pushed the bike up cos it was too steep"
08:01*peter1138 updates his Veloviewer stats.
08:01<@peter1138>KOMs: 6. Well that's going down :-(
08:02<@LordAro>still, 6 more than me
08:02<@peter1138>Hmm, 10,800 miles on my road bike.
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08:04<@LordAro>i've got a 7th, apparently
08:06<@peter1138>Mine are very mediocre local things, of course :p
08:07<@LordAro>so is mine :p
08:08<@LordAro>and the KOM is a full 40s faster (over 2.5miles)
08:10<@peter1138>Two of my KOMs were due to lucky wind and being behind favourable traffic.
08:11<@peter1138>One large mobile crane that blocked the wind, dragged me along, and didn't go fast enough to leave me behind.
08:12<Eddi|zuHause>what's a KOM?
08:12<@peter1138>First place on a segment on Strava. "King of the Mountains" but a bit more generic than actual mountains.
08:13<@LordAro>or even hills
08:13<@peter1138>Yeah, they can be flat or down hill.
08:13<@peter1138>Whatever somebody sets up, heh.
08:14<@LordAro>just some segment of road (or not road)
08:14<@LordAro>a route
08:14<Eddi|zuHause>so, someone draws a line on a website, and others try to beat them on their time?
08:15<@LordAro>more or less, yes
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08:26<FLHerne>I think I'm abouut as far from any of those as it's possible to get in the UK :P
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08:27<FLHerne>At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county
08:30<FLHerne> - that far eastern bit of Cambs is a really nice area to ride, especially on a nice sunny evening
08:35<@LordAro>i can imagine so
08:35<@LordAro>nicely done though, nearly 80 miles is nothing to be sniffed at
08:38<FLHerne>In fairness, I did stop in the middle to ring some church bells
08:39<FLHerne>For some reason I refuse to cycle purely for its own sake, but to get somewhere I wouldn't otherwise go via a circuitous route is fine...
08:39<@LordAro>circuitous route for coffee and cake is fine for me :p
08:40<@LordAro>to change the subject completely, i came across recently, it might be helpful in "restoring" the generic linux builds
08:41<@peter1138>I tend to skip the cake these days, most cafes like to serve ginormous pieces at ginormous prices...
08:42<@peter1138>Portable can be restored, it just needs someone to put time into creating the docker images. Same with Ubuntu 19.04.
08:42<@peter1138>And as I use Debian, it's not on my itch list.
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09:32<@peter1138>Veloviewer says if I keep up this rate, I'll hit 9000 miles this year, woo.
09:33<andythenorth>I should tank less
09:33<andythenorth>maybe I should start cycling for leisure
09:33<andythenorth>instead of commute
09:33<@peter1138>Also, 6th out of 15,301 riders is not too bad.
09:33<andythenorth>regular long-distance cyclists get health benefits
09:34<andythenorth>especially if you're all weather
09:34<@peter1138>I commute and also leisure it...
09:34<@peter1138>Yeah I benefit from not being 18st any more.
09:36<@peter1138>Let's do an audax together!
09:36<@peter1138>Oof, Sat 25th May, 400km from Mytholmroyd, West Yorks.
09:36<@peter1138>Maybe not :p
09:37<Eddi|zuHause><FLHerne> At the weekend I reached >100m above sea level for the first time this year, having gone to the other side of the county <-- i'm at 130m and the only way out of the village is up
09:38<FLHerne>The only way I could go downhill from here would be to jump in the river
09:38<Eddi|zuHause>one of the main reasons why i haven't been biking in the last, say, 10 years
09:38<andythenorth>it's definitely time for less coding
09:38<andythenorth>and more something-elsing
09:39<andythenorth>Openttd: it's finished now, right? :)
09:39<andythenorth>we won all the prizes?
09:39<@peter1138>Just let JGR get on with it.
09:39<@peter1138>It's the standard anyway.
09:40<@peter1138>200km from Aylesbury. Well that's local.
09:41<@peter1138>And I did it last year, so a bit tedious :/
09:41<@peter1138>200km tour of the lake district. That's gonna have some climbing...
09:42<@peter1138>LordAro, Inverness 1200! Let's do it!
09:43<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds fun, can i come? :)
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09:45<@planetmaker>we definitely need a new vehicle type: bicycle ;)
09:45<@planetmaker>refittable, to 1,2, and maybe 4 people. Or 0.1t of cargo
09:46<@peter1138>100kg? Oof
09:46<nielsm>cargo is measured in 1/8 ton iirc
09:46<@planetmaker>ok. 1/8t. That's ok
09:46<nielsm>or was it 1/16 ton
09:46<andythenorth>can I KOM on my electric bike?
09:46<@peter1138>Speaking of 1/16, when are we tackling the sub-tile resolution issue? :p
09:47<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, "bike"
09:47<@planetmaker>surely sounds and looks like an euphemism to call it "conference" bike
09:47<@planetmaker>and "bike" yeah :P
09:47<Eddi|zuHause>it has peddals and is driven by foot power, how is that not a bike?
09:47<@planetmaker> is the more leasure version :P Or more honest
09:48<@peter1138>It's a cycle.
09:48<@peter1138>But not a bi-cycle.
09:48<@peter1138>Therefore, not a bike.
09:48<Eddi|zuHause>ok, that might be a particularly narrow definition that doesn't translate well
09:49<andythenorth>can I have a three-wheeled bike?
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>the german "fahrrad" doesn'T imply two-ness
09:49<@peter1138>What did you think the "bi" meant?
09:49<andythenorth>is a bike 1:1 with bicycle?
09:49<@peter1138>Is short for tricycle.
09:49<Eddi|zuHause>i think "trike" is already taken for a motorized vehicle
09:49<andythenorth>children have trikes
09:49<@peter1138>Only by motorists, and because trikes are less common.
09:49<@peter1138>Adult trikes exist...
09:50<andythenorth>I have a three wheeled truck
09:50<@peter1138>I still want a recumbent trike but I clearly have no room for one.
09:50<andythenorth>folding trike!
09:50<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, and "bike" also refers to a two wheeled motorcycle.
09:50<@peter1138>andythenorth, yes.
09:51<Eddi|zuHause>peter1138: it depends how you make assumption about the default understanding, i guess...
09:52<@LordAro>peter1138: sure :D
09:53<@LordAro>peter1138: i watched this the other day
09:59*andythenorth tries to remember how musa works
09:59<andythenorth>probably documented
10:04<andythenorth>is redirected to openttd repo on github
10:04<andythenorth>presumably there's another way?
10:09<@peter1138>Dunno. I don't know where the bananas source lives either.
10:09<@peter1138>Nor where bananas even runs, actually.
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10:10<@peter1138>Is it home time yet?
10:14<@peter1138>£53 for a bicycle tyre. FML.
10:14<@peter1138>Ah, £27, better.
10:18<@peter1138>Could go with Marathon Plus just to make my life hard.
10:19<@peter1138>(They're 3x the weight of other tyres)
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10:52<FLHerne>Quite happy with my Pro 4 Endurance (v2) as a compromise
10:53<FLHerne>They're a bit heavy and not very compliant compared to lightweight road tyres, but not like the Schwalbe things
10:53<FLHerne>Next time I'll probably go for 25s instead of 23s
11:03<@peter1138>53 might've been a pair.
11:18<nielsm> wild!
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11:23<Fillipuster>Having some trouble connecting to a dedicated server running on my local network. I was hoping someone here could be of assistance :)
11:24<@LordAro>@topic get 3
11:24<@DorpsGek>LordAro: Don't ask to ask, just ask
11:26<Fillipuster>I've set up a dedicated server using docker on a linux machine. The server is seemingly running just fine, but I cannot seem to connect to it via my game client here on my main device.
11:27<nielsm>can you ping between the machines?
11:29<@planetmaker>is it advertizing? are the ports open and routed?
11:29<@DorpsGek>planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)
11:30<@planetmaker>(or whatever you configured in your config file for the server)
11:30<@planetmaker>3978 is not configurable ofc
11:30<@planetmaker>make sure both, the OS as well as any routers allow these ports also for *incoming*
11:32<andythenorth>wait what
11:32<andythenorth>there is only one tyre in the world
11:32<andythenorth>and it seems they've discontinued it :(
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11:32<andythenorth>the ultimate tyre
11:33<andythenorth>that shop has old stock, continental no longer make it
11:37<andythenorth>should I file a ticket for bananas?
11:37<andythenorth>or can I just re-open the previous issue?
11:37*andythenorth thinks re-open
11:37<andythenorth>it's just an ops thing
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11:39<spnda>Does BaNaNaS not work again?
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11:40<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
11:40<andythenorth>doesn't work for upload
11:40<andythenorth>to be specific
11:42<andythenorth>fuck me, when did I last use svn
11:42*andythenorth has to look up how that works
11:42<andythenorth>musa is now svn-only
11:43<Fillipuster>@planetmaker I have opened up my ports. I've been running a non-dedicated server using the same port setup without any problems previously.
11:43<Fillipuster>Now that I've moved it to my server instead of my main machine (updating the referenced IP of course), it seems to break.
11:44<Fillipuster>To clearify: Even a local LAN connection doesn't seem possible, so maybe it isn't the ports? :/
11:44<andythenorth>ok so musa is gone?
11:44<andythenorth>nope I was doing svn wrong
11:45<rubenwardy>using svn is doing svn wrong
11:47<andythenorth>thanks :)
11:48<andythenorth>that repays all the useless comments I make here ;)
11:49<andythenorth>ok so musa is python2 and my projects are all now python3
11:50<andythenorth>wonder if 2to3 works
11:50<andythenorth>and how we get it out of an old svn repo, and onto GH
11:53<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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12:00<andythenorth>spnda: thanks, I wonder if the problem is with my grf
12:01<andythenorth>no easy way to test though
12:01<spnda>I could try
12:01<spnda>But I have nothing to update
12:05<Fillipuster>Ah, I found the problem. For people running a server using a Synology NAS server + Docker: remember to inherit the network settings when creating the docker container. Otherwise the ports wont carry over.
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12:07<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0
12:41<@peter1138>I chocolated.
12:41<andythenorth>me too
12:41<andythenorth>now regret
12:42<@peter1138>I was only at 900 kcal, no worries for me.
12:42<@peter1138>Got a MTB ride to do.
12:42<Arveen>could eat more while riding it
12:42<@peter1138>Mmmm, no.
12:43<Arveen>meanwhile i can let my hands off this can with Macadamia nuts
12:44<@peter1138>At least nuts are healthy, chocolate is just... sugar.
12:45<Arveen>well, they are honey coated and salted
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12:46<Arveen> but no chocolate heh
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12:50<Eddi|zuHause>i never regret chocolate
13:04<Eddi|zuHause>a propos...
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13:07<andythenorth>biomass hoppers then? o_O
13:07<andythenorth>don't have any biomass cargo, but eh, details :P
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13:16<@peter1138>Now I have pitted prunes, yay. But no custard :(
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13:31<Samu>WmDOT vs DumbAI on Toyland... hah!
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13:52<andythenorth>V453000: yeah
13:52<andythenorth>I literally nearly added to the post 'sorry no lolz'
13:52<andythenorth>It's Very Serious
14:02<Wolf01>So, where does firefox downloads the updates?
14:04<andythenorth>frosch123: quak, do we have any logs for bananas?
14:06<andythenorth>V453000: I think the lolz is having insane number of wagon types
14:09<andythenorth>23 so far
14:09<spnda>andythenorth actually do you know what, might be because of V453000s NewGRF. It's really big if I remember correctly. Like massive
14:09<andythenorth>V453000 broke bananas? o_O
14:09<spnda>TrueBrain said it's sometimes due to big uploads in earlier messages
14:10<spnda>"rarely all, often some, mostly when they did something weird (UTF-8 character, big upload, ..."
14:10<andythenorth>I interpret that as 'the file that's failing is big' :)
14:11<frosch123>nuts is not that big
14:17<andythenorth>Horse is 15.3MB now
14:17<andythenorth>is that too big for Bananas 1?
14:21<frosch123>did you try iron horse, today 10:09 ?
14:21<nielsm>aren't aBase or zBase something like 200 MB ?
14:22<andythenorth>frosch123: allowing for timezone offset, yes that looks correct
14:27<V453000>NUTS is 50MB uncompressed, 33 compressed
14:28<frosch123>andy uploaded 3.6 MB
14:28<frosch123>i doubt it's the size :p
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14:29<andythenorth>the tar file is 15.3MB
14:29<andythenorth>so is the upload getting truncated?
14:29<frosch123>yes, then that'ts the case
14:29<frosch123>i tried to extrac thte upload
14:30<frosch123>and tar says eof
14:30<Wolf01>Ok, after reinstalling it twice, both times with the setting on "never check updates" and deleting the updater exe it stopped to ask to install the update
14:30<andythenorth>I tried switching browser, same result
14:31*andythenorth wonders if the tar is broken
14:32<frosch123>are you trying again?
14:32<andythenorth>I just did
14:32<andythenorth>tar _seems_ ok
14:32<frosch123>15298560 bytes?
14:37<frosch123>can you please try again
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14:41<Wolf01>Wtf, it's still disabling the exstensions
14:41<andythenorth>frosch123: yup just triggered another failure :)
14:42<frosch123>a different one?
14:42<frosch123>hmm, so the upload was complete
14:44<Wolf01>Beta branch with xpinstall.signature.required set to false... not working
14:51<frosch123>well, either the logging is broken, or there is no logging
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14:57<andythenorth>oof :)
14:57<andythenorth>I started down the musa alternative :)
14:58<andythenorth>I now have the svn checkout of musa :P
15:04<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:05<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:07<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:12<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
15:15<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
15:15<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 dismissed a review for pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
15:18<andythenorth>python2 ../../tools/musa/ -c musa.ini -u openttdcoop -p PASSWORD iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9.tar
15:18<andythenorth>no ['.grf'] file
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15:18<andythenorth>I guess I read rthe source :P
15:20<andythenorth>the following files remained unpackaged:
15:20<andythenorth> - /iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/iron-horse-2.0.0-alpha-9/license.txt
15:20<andythenorth>unpackagable files in directory
15:22<andythenorth>is there a latency when using musa?
15:22<andythenorth>metadata validated at server side
15:22<andythenorth>uploaded 1253695 bytes of 1253695 bytes (100%)
15:22<andythenorth>no update appearing in bananas web interface
15:29<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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15:45<frosch123>IntegrityError: (1062, "Duplicate entry 'Iron_Horse_2-2.0.0Alpha9' for key 'filename'")
15:45<frosch123>so, database is broken from previous attempts
15:46<V453000>horses overbred
15:54<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
16:00<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #7591: Fix #7590: decrement allocated_size in ScriptAllocator::Free()
16:00<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #7590: If you change the game mode 9 times in succession, then the game crashes on the ninth attempt.
16:04<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] frosch123 commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
16:05<frosch123>andythenorth: btw. your musa.ini contains a silly URL
16:07<andythenorth>oh yes
16:07<andythenorth>my keyboard doesn't work properly
16:07<andythenorth>so paste doesn't work
16:07<andythenorth>Apple quality
16:18<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
16:19<nielsm>HI TB
16:28<andythenorth>9a has gone in
16:29<andythenorth>TB suggested 10, but that messes up changelogs etc
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16:50<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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16:56<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
16:56<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #6940: Bananas - unhandled exception when updating grf
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17:15<@peter1138>Well that was a thing
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17:19<@LordAro>peter1138: me too
17:23<@peter1138>And just drank half a protein shake (25g protein!) along with eaten soft figs and some raisins. Oh the sugars...
17:24<Eddi|zuHause>you drank soft figs that were already eaten?
17:24<Eddi|zuHause>(these modern diet things get weirder and weirder)
17:26<@peter1138>Yeah I grammared that badly.
17:26<@peter1138>185 bpm, nice.
17:27<@peter1138>Last time I reached my max heart rate I felt quite sick for a couple of minutes. But since getting really slim my heart rate doesn't go up as much any more.
17:28<@LordAro>i got some nettle stings from when i collapsed in a heap at the top
17:29<@peter1138>I've not done that.
17:29<@peter1138>I hit 193 bpm once iirc.
17:29<@peter1138>Which was somewhat excessive at my age :p
17:29<@LordAro>in theory my max heart rate should be somewhere above 190, but i've not got there yet :)
17:30<@LordAro>still, above 180 at all is new this year
17:30<@peter1138>Ah no, a mere 190 bpm.
17:30<@peter1138>I think it's 'easier' to reach if you're overweight, as the heart has to work harder than your legs.
17:31<@peter1138>Now I'm slimmer I find my legs give out sooner.
17:31<@LordAro>makes sense
17:31<@peter1138>Well, legs & lunchs.
17:31<@LordAro>clearly you miss the cafe stops :p
17:31<@peter1138>I've got some rides where it says 229, but that was a faulty sensor :p
17:31<@peter1138>No cafe stops on a Wednesday night.
17:32<@peter1138>No cafes in the middle of the woods :p
17:32<@LordAro>well no, they wouldn't be lunches :p
17:32<@LordAro>i've had a few recordings above 200 before, i edit them out
17:32<@peter1138>Hmm. we never had lunches, only elevenses (i.e. cake & coffee)
17:32<@LordAro>well, sortoflunches
17:32<@peter1138>I'm tempted to get a power meter.
17:33<@LordAro>i was idly looking at them the other day, which sort were you looking at?
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>i tend to try to stay below 130...
17:34<@peter1138>Haven't looked recently. The left-crank-only option seems the cheapest.
17:34<@peter1138>Staying below 130 is... not useful for exercising.
17:34<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds like a way more sustainable rate :p
17:35<@peter1138>Although my average used to be 150-160 when I was heavier.
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>i have this booklet that says going beyond that is a bad idea
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17:35<@peter1138>My normal average now is 120-130.
17:35<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, it's not.
17:36<@peter1138>Eddi|zuHause, if you're not exercising it's bad, of course.
17:36<Eddi|zuHause>i'm not exercising nearly enough
17:36<Eddi|zuHause>also, i need to procure some WD40
17:37<Eddi|zuHause>and some R3 (AAA) batteries
17:41<@peter1138>I remember when I first started commuting on the bike, about 4 years ago now. 3 miles. Worn out shattered sweaty wreck.
17:41<@peter1138>Only took a couple of weeks to fix that to merely sweaty.
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17:55<@peter1138>Right, I'm going to shower and then go to bed before I get the urge to continue eating all the things.
18:35<Eddi|zuHause>unfortunately i'm not in a place where bike commute is feasible
18:36<Eddi|zuHause>something like 25km to any place i would reasonably work at
18:37<supermop_work>currently commuting by bike would likely take longer than walking
19:27<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on pull request #7515: Fix: Really check for start_date once an AI company slot becomes available.
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20:44<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #7593: Null pointer dereference in ScriptOrder::GetOrderDistance in VT_AIR mode on waypoint tiles
20:48<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #7594: Max speed string dparam set incorrectly in road vehicle purchase window when using original acceleration model
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21:44<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #7594: Max speed string dparam set incorrectly in road vehicle purchase window when using original acceleration model
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21:47<DorpsGek_II>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #7593: Null pointer dereference in ScriptOrder::GetOrderDistance in VT_AIR mode on waypoint tiles
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23:41<Hazzard>What are the "hops" described here?
23:41<Hazzard>Cargodist stuff?
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23:49<Hazzard>Seems so
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