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04:42<ntsbmvnk>uh
04:42<ntsbmvnk>is this a common thing?
04:42<Eddi|zuHause>what?
04:42<ntsbmvnk>the giant burst of parts and joins?
04:43<Eddi|zuHause>a netsplit?
04:43<Eddi|zuHause>happens sporadically
04:43<nakki>aren't those matrix clients
04:44<Eddi|zuHause>dunno, i have join/part disabled for people who haven't said a word in the last 24 hours
04:44<nakki>yeah that's nice
04:44<Eddi|zuHause>but if the matrix bridge goes down, it's effectively the same as a netsplit
04:45<nakki>yeah true
04:45<Heiki>looks like the Matrix gateway is having some hiccup, nothing serious I think
04:45<ntsbmvnk>oh right, fair
04:45<ntsbmvnk>I'm used to how freenode handles it - makes sense.
04:49<peter1138>Personally I'd just ban it :p
04:50<@planetmaker>from the amount of talk being done, you can probably skip 80% of the users here and miss 5% of talk at most :D
05:10<ntsbmvnk>but I enjoy lurking
05:11<nakki>me too
05:11<nakki>i have 32 buffers open in weechat, and i actively use... maybe five?
05:14<ntsbmvnk>I lurk aggressively
05:14<ntsbmvnk>to the point I have a vm just running my irc client
05:16<nakki>i have a server in my bedroom running my irc client, an openttd server, murmur and nginx
05:17<nakki>built out of old parts cannibalized from previous desktop computers
05:19<ntsbmvnk>nice.
05:19<nakki>it's pretty handy
05:19<ntsbmvnk>I'm just cheap an bought a vm
05:19<nakki>got fairly low ping to it :P
05:19<nakki>yeah i used to have a hetzner vps
05:19<nakki>and a digitalocean one before that
05:19<ntsbmvnk>there's something magical to using *someone else's computer*
05:23<LordAro>peter1138: eh, matrix is much closer to an actual irc user than a discord bridge
05:23<LordAro>no different when irccloud has issues
05:23<LordAro>or <insert other cloud irc provider here>
05:28<@planetmaker>ntsbmvnk, well... guess what my IRC connection runs on... a VM with just an IRC bouncer. But not from my bedroom. I prefer to have it running elsewhere.
05:30*LordAro also
05:30<peter1138>LordAro, I'm aware. Fortunately the mass disconnects don't happen often.
05:31<peter1138>Also, I had a mini patisserie.
05:31*LordAro also has irssi permanently running in a tmux session on the same server as his znc instance
05:31<LordAro>redundancy, yo
05:32*peter1138 is attempting to not pig out on giant cookies.
05:34<peter1138>Damn all this rain, I'm now down to only 79 miles ahead of my target.
05:34<LordAro>peter1138: :<
05:35<LordAro>i'm +400 right now
05:35<peter1138>Oh I guess Sunday was okay, but I was away.
05:35<LordAro>considering upping my target to 7k
05:36<peter1138>:-)
05:36<LordAro>managed to screw up my rear brake while fiddling with it yesterday evening
05:36<peter1138>Uh oh
05:37<LordAro>but i now know more precisely what was wrong with it before - one of the pistons has jammed
05:37<LordAro>explains the excessively uneven wear
05:37<LordAro>managed to jam some old pads in it so that it was only slightly sticking
05:37<LordAro>5 miles to work seems to have improved it
05:46<peter1138>If it's jammed then it'll probably just jam again :(
05:47<LordAro>oh, i mean the pads were only slightly sticking to the disc
05:47<LordAro>the piston won't budge at all
05:47<peter1138>Ah.
05:47<peter1138>New calipers are not *that* expensive.
05:47<peter1138>Better than having non-working brakes.
05:47<LordAro>indeed
05:48<LordAro>shop can probably free it though, i was just unable to while it was still attached to the bike
05:49<LordAro>when googling i saw several mentions of "grease guns" being used, which can do ridiciulous amounts of PSI
05:50<LordAro>(there were equally many people saying this was ridiculous and unsafe thing to do)
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06:23<peter1138>Hmm, 76.9 kg. I can probably get away with a cookie :p
06:24<nakki>hah
06:24<nakki>nice
06:26<peter1138>But if I have fruit, I can eat more!
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08:51<andythenorth>yo
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08:52<@planetmaker>o/
08:59<peter1138>I already lunched without verifying that it was lunchtime!
08:59<peter1138>Shame on me.
09:00<@planetmaker>oh noes...! But we shall exercise merci and forgive you
09:00<@planetmaker>but more important: is it tea time already?
09:00<@planetmaker>My stomach says 'yes'
09:02<Eddi|zuHause>with so many english people here there's a surprisingly low amount of discussion about teatime
09:04<@planetmaker>one might think that clichées don't always hold true :P
09:05<nakki>this is my fifth cup of coffee during this workday
09:05<nakki>i should probably switch to tea
09:14<supermop_work>it is kouign amann time here
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09:16<supermop_work>plus 2nd cup of coffee
09:16<LordAro>Eddi|zuHause: we're too busy drinking tea to discuss it
09:17<LordAro>"is it teatime" is a useless question
09:17<andythenorth>I stopped drinking tea 10 years ago
09:17<andythenorth>I missi t
09:17<andythenorth>miss it *
09:17*andythenorth thinking of ways to make some vehicles get higher cargo payment
09:17<andythenorth>this might be unwise
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09:33<ntsbmvnk>planetmaker: tea isn't a universal thing among the English
09:33<ntsbmvnk>tea in the sense of referring to dinner
09:33<ntsbmvnk>tea, as in the drink, we're wild for.
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10:20<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: you might try to micromanage things that shouldn't be micromanaged?
10:22<andythenorth>it's liable to not work
10:22<andythenorth>eh well
10:24<andythenorth>I designed 3 vehicle sets without understanding what prop 2B does :) So now I am trying to bail myself out :P
10:24<andythenorth>without redesigning :P
10:24<andythenorth>https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/28/79/4c2879b8c1e1a44bbd8cb9d7b3778977.png
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12:25<ntsbmvnk>What are the highest profit industries to go after?
12:26<Eddi|zuHause>passengers
12:26<ntsbmvnk>I've had a bit of a play and got coal>power going + wood>sawmill
12:26<ntsbmvnk>Eddi|zuHause: really?
12:26<Eddi|zuHause>you get profit both ways, and near infinite growth
12:26<ntsbmvnk>oh neat
12:39<FLHerne>ntsbmvnk: Other than passengers, goods (and steel to a lesser extent) are much more profitable than primary cargos
12:40<FLHerne>ntsbmvnk: Note that there's a "cargo payment rates" graph under the graphs menu
12:41<FLHerne>Because payments are by distance, and payment rates increase with end-to-end average speed, the way to make silly money in OTTD is to ship anything you like from one end of the map to the other in as straight a line as possible
12:43<FLHerne>That includes building straight over intervening mountains, because the extra train locomotives are very cheap in the long run compared to a longer route, more construction time, or terraforming costs
12:43<FLHerne>Note: this will leave you with (a) a very ugly map and (b) more money than you can ever plausibly spend on anything
12:44<FLHerne>So most long-term players stop caring about money and come up with some other target
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12:48<Eddi|zuHause>the most no-brainer money printing machine is put two airports at opposite ends of the map
12:50<frosch123>i think, if you enable breakdowns, there is an optimum distance for aircraft transport, which is smaller than infinity
12:51<Eddi|zuHause>possibly, but it depends on plane model and plane speed factor
12:56<andythenorth>quak
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13:31*andythenorth plots
13:31<andythenorth>mud HAUL road and concrete HAUL road?
13:34<andythenorth>or maybe like this? o_O https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=75941&hilit=docklands#p1182980
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13:55<Eddi|zuHause>rural haul road and industrial haul road?
13:59<andythenorth>yes
14:00<andythenorth>we have lots of types :)
14:00<andythenorth>nesting the build menu? o_O
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14:04<nielsm>multi-column menu?
14:05<andythenorth>type-ahead filter menu?
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14:48<Wolf01>Sleepflix time? Too soon?
14:51*andythenorth making web apps
14:51<andythenorth>very work
15:00<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: this is the point where $someone brings up the idea of separating visual differences and functional differences
15:01<andythenorth>ButGroundTypes
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17:27<peter1138>Urgh, fell off ;/
17:30<Eddi|zuHause>that sounds unhealthy
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17:31<peter1138>I try to avoid it.
17:31<peter1138>Narrow fast down hill section with a little gully bit. Bike tried to go up the side but it was slippery and didn't o_O
17:33<Eddi|zuHause>and what did your protective gear say about the incident?
17:34<peter1138>My... my what?
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>dunno, helmet would be a start?
17:35<peter1138>Oh right, that. No contact there.
17:35<Eddi|zuHause>if i were to actually pick up biking, i might also invest in hand/elbow/knee protectors
17:37<LordAro>peter1138: :(
17:39<peter1138>Still, this white chocolate raspberry protein bar is nice.
17:39<Eddi|zuHause>sounds like a weird snickers
17:41<peter1138>https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdlfcx3ve58mx2.cloudfront.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F08%2Fquest-protein-bar-white-chocolate-raspberry.jpg&f=1
17:41<peter1138>Something like that :p
17:41<peter1138>Looks foul but tastes good.
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