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02:34<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeJbS
03:25<andythenorth>err eh what? Why profitable? https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9493/spurious_profit.png
03:25<andythenorth>this is just unloading and reloading at the second station
03:26<andythenorth>getting transfer leg profit?
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04:24<Samu>hi
04:28<Samu>oh no, an anti rondje patch
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04:44<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeTvv
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05:18<Samu>looking for AIs that (are forced to ) transport PASS and MAIL with road vehicles
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05:33<crem2>How I play openttd+FIRS: 1. Start it. 2. Play for 15 minutes. 3. Feel overwhelmed. 4. Stop it. 5. Wait half a year. 6. GOTO 1.
05:37<crem2>Why am I 2!
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08:28<Eddi|zuHause>what am i going to do with a wet cat?
08:28<LordAro>wring it out
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08:48<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JeLZf
08:53<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause: put it on top of the hot tub to dry out
08:53<andythenorth>NewStationRating
08:54<andythenorth>eh, fix it in newgrf
08:54<andythenorth>problem solved
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09:37<Samu>testing3x my AI: PASS & MAIL vs PASS vs MAIL
09:37<Samu>which will win
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09:40<_dp_>andythenorth, newgrfs are ever bigger problem :p
09:40<_dp_>fix in GS!
09:40<_dp_>oh wait...
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09:41<andythenorth>_dp_: you are a bad person :P
09:45<Samu>I expect PASS & MAIL to be the best
09:45<Samu>but who knows..
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09:46<_dp_>bubbles ftw!
10:02<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ
10:03<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7708: Change: Use Squirrel version 3.0.7 https://git.io/fjxWf
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10:20<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetGO
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11:02<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/JetDf
11:24<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7730: Change: Use vehicle model age for station rating calculation https://git.io/Jeqek
11:29<peter1139>Yet another hidden super advanced setting? :p
11:30<nielsm>I'm perfectly fine with not changing the station rating calculation
11:30<nielsm>there should just not be an easy way to configure vehicles to constantly autorenew to the same model then
11:31<peter1139>Or that should cost more.
11:32<nielsm>what is even depreciation on vehicle value?
11:32<peter1139>Realistic Value Depreciation!
11:32<nielsm>yes!
11:32<peter1139>Dunno, but it's quite tame.
11:33<nielsm>basically value drops by 50% when it leaves depot first time and then it follows a curve down to 1% of purchase price over the lifetime
11:33<nielsm>(as long as it hasn't left depot you can sell it for full refund, as an undo button)
11:34<peter1139>Heh, that's harsh.
11:35<_dp_>nielsm, I'm not sure that even with an easy way to autorenew it will be worth doing
11:36<_dp_>mb for a very specific situations like that cb game
11:37<_dp_>where you have limited amount of vehicles so that bit of extra cargo at a right time is worth the lost growth while upgrading
11:39<_dp_>btw, selling vehicles is actually a big problem for goal games
11:39<_dp_>much exploits
11:40<_dp_>no good solution :(
11:40<nielsm>in what way?
11:41<_dp_>1. selling vehicles at destination
11:41<_dp_>worst but at least can be blocked by server
11:41<_dp_>2. selling everything to reach the goal faster
11:42<nielsm>what kind of goal here?
11:42<_dp_>usually money
11:43<_dp_>3. preloading
11:44<nielsm>goals for reaching a certain bank balance could be supplied with a goal of having a certain profit, and maintaining that profit for a while after reaching the cash goal
11:45<_dp_>nielsm, why have balance goal in a first place then?
11:46<nielsm>e.g. keep monthly profits for 6 months and require the player doesn't drop below 90% of that average in the next 6 months
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11:46<_dp_>also profit is also not a good goal for a number of reasons
11:47<nielsm>(in this idea the profit goal is not fixed but just a verification requirement determined dynamically)
11:48<_dp_>nielsm, too complex
11:49<nielsm>also "preloading" shouldn't be classifiable as an exploit or unusual, as stations receiving all cargos right away was the original behaviour
11:50<_dp_>nielsm, I don't care about classification, it's just a thing you have to do for a best score and I don't like it
11:51<_dp_>it's also allowed on all servers I know of
11:51<nielsm>imo it should be made a feature, just a button you click on a station "begin transporting this cargo"
11:52<_dp_>nielsm, yeah, that would be nice
11:53<_dp_>but than, easier griefing...
11:53<nielsm>maybe a tri-state, starts out "undetermined", where sending a vehicle to load the cargo will then toggle it to "enabled", but you can also manually toggle it to "enabled" or "do not transport"
11:54<_dp_>nielsm, yeah, would also solve "how to stop accepting" problem
12:09<andythenorth>we should get better exploits
12:09<andythenorth>like short selling of stock
12:09<andythenorth>buying on margin
12:09<andythenorth>pumping and dumping
12:12<_dp_>andythenorth, there are better exploits
12:13<_dp_>andythenorth, like soft-blocking an industry by building two stations :p
12:13<andythenorth>does that mean no cargo gets distributed to 3rd or something?
12:13<supermop_work>correct
12:13<_dp_>andythenorth, yep
12:13<andythenorth>oof
12:18<_dp_>autoclean is also a fun thing to exploit
12:18<_dp_>as there is no way to autoclean protected company without leaving it unprotected for at least a month
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12:20<nielsm>https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7540 <- do the initial idea or close?
12:21<milek7>exploiting autoclean? what does it exploit?
12:24<_dp_>milek7, you can catch yourself a nice rich company if you're lucky/patient
12:25<milek7>eh, disable autoclean? ;d
12:26<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7540: Change: New layout for the Station view window https://git.io/Jeq2P
12:27<nielsm>milek7 I think the purpose might be if you want to drop out of the game?
12:27<nielsm>you can't have the server delete your company without leaving it unprotected for a while, and someone else might claim it in that time
12:28<milek7>yes, but why delete companies? does unoccupied companies hurt?
12:28<_dp_>milek7, because servers quickly become full with unused companies
12:31<milek7>ah, ok
12:31<milek7>*there's patch for that
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12:36<nielsm>I'm sure you could work around it
12:37<nielsm>like the GS catching a company name change to "deleteme", popping up a confirmation box to the player, and on confirmation it sends something to the adminport where something then sends an rcon command back to delete the company
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12:41<_dp_>nielsm, I just reimplemented the whole autoclean logic :p
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12:44<_dp_>to only clean companies when server is near full or wants to restart
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13:02<andythenorth>yo
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13:16<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] auslambert opened issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai
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13:24<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #7732: Shared orders allows only two vehicles https://git.io/Jeqai
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13:47<andythenorth>nielsm: if it's any help, I have no problems with station window :)
13:47<andythenorth>as it is now
13:52<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
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13:56<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
13:58<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] kiwitreekor updated pull request #7575: Feature: Add industry production graph https://git.io/fjc3i
14:04<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh updated pull request #7353: Feature: Measure vehicle capacity utilisation efficiency https://git.io/fhho4
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15:29<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #7733: RemoveDockingTile https://git.io/Jeqr9
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