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---Logopened Sat Sep 21 00:00:05 2019
---Daychanged Sat Sep 21 2019
00:00<supermop_Home_>hallo
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01:44<andythenorth>o/
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04:48<andythenorth>pie
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05:07<Pikka>oh
05:13<andythenorth>not pie?
05:15<Pikka>well, more likely pasta or something
05:16<andythenorth>all well?
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05:17<Pikka>in many ways, no. but pasta will help some of them.
05:17*Pikka brb dindins
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06:13<Pikka>oof
06:23<andythenorth>o_O
06:30<Eddi|zuHause>ok. i might be going properly insane now https://ibin.co/4vljD85ftLsi.png
06:32<andythenorth>is that a pig farm?
06:32<frosch123>i assume incomplete bridges are for the realism aspect
06:32<Eddi|zuHause>no, that is iron ore :)
06:33<frosch123>the plane icon in the toolbar looks disturbing
06:34<Eddi|zuHause>because it's greyed out, or because your brain tricks you into seeing faces everywhere?
06:35<frosch123>i want to say "yes", but it's only "latter"
06:37<Pikka>Eddi|zuHause, pig iron?
06:55*andythenorth watching deadliest catch
06:56<Eddi|zuHause>i should probably get something to eat
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07:22<Pikka>double oof
07:23<Pikka>I had a bit of a fall climbing this afternoon, and I'm not sure I haven't sprained my ankle and/or knee...
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07:26<andythenorth>ouch
07:27<andythenorth>I ignored an ankle injury 20 years ago
07:27<andythenorth>and now the right side of my body is distorted and I have constant minor back pain
07:27<andythenorth>just saying
07:28<Pikka>thanks
07:29<Eddi|zuHause>thanks, i'll get my 20 year old injuries checked out then
07:33<andythenorth>I have been :P
07:35<Wolf01>Same here
07:36*andythenorth "mistakes were made"
07:37<TrueBrain>we don't think any less of you because of it andythenorth, don't worry :)
07:37<Eddi|zuHause>(i'm not quite sure if it's possible for TrueBrain to think less of anyone)
07:38*andythenorth wonders about the inside of TrueBrain's brain
07:38<TrueBrain>do you really andythenorth? do you? really?
07:40<andythenorth>well very briefly
07:41<TrueBrain>:D
07:41<andythenorth>before I remembered not to
07:42<andythenorth>bacon ciabbata is correct, yes/no?
07:42*andythenorth lunch
07:43<@peter1138>Yes
07:44<andythenorth>it has tomato
07:44<andythenorth>and butter
07:44<Eddi|zuHause>is there ever a question containing the word "bacon" that is "no"?
07:44<@peter1138>That's basically salad...
07:50<andythenorth>Eddi|zuHause bacon and custard
07:50<andythenorth>invalid
07:51<Pikka>although the japanese...
07:52<andythenorth>oh bacon and custard is valid apparently
07:52*andythenorth checked
07:53<Pikka>bacon and transmission fluid
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08:11<Eddi|zuHause>andythenorth: see what i mean? :p
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08:56<Eddi|zuHause>man that took friggin forever https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png
08:58<andythenorth>automate!
08:59<Eddi|zuHause>well, i could just have used one of the builtin bridges, but they don't really look good over such large heights
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09:38<andythenorth>well
09:39<andythenorth>IRL there are bulk containers for coal, ore etc
09:39<andythenorth>I was going to them covered, because IRL most are for cargo protection, dust suppression etc
09:39<andythenorth>but I could show the cargo, it's trivial :P
09:40<andythenorth>covered https://docplayer.net/docs-images/66/54579666/images/25-2.jpg
09:41<andythenorth>open https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/360/0615/29/3x-kit-built-russell-coal-container_360_c82077e0caf8e0d2df686f7f38f3321d.jpg
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09:49<supermop_Home_>hello
09:57<Eddi|zuHause>at least now we actually got someone using it... https://ibin.co/4vmjbp6cxSaj.png
10:00<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern opened pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO
10:09<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO
10:14<supermop_Home_>nice viaduct eddi
10:14<Eddi|zuHause>yeah, this was the complete view https://ibin.co/4vmRMeobwO2x.png
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10:36<@peter1138>Said someone who's never used a soldering iron or a toaster.
10:47<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/Jesfp
10:51<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern updated pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesfO
10:51<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JMcKiern commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesJf
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12:11<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUc
12:23<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesUu
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13:30<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesTK
13:30<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7749: Fix: Some typos found using codespell https://git.io/JesT6
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13:52<andythenorth>goes it throw out tank games?
13:52<Eddi|zuHause>sure
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13:53<Eddi|zuHause>just find another game to obsess about
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13:53<andythenorth>my win rate has plateaued
13:57<andythenorth>I am above average, but not interestingly
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13:57<andythenorth>not getting better either
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15:05<andythenorth>can python import from a parent directory?
15:07<frosch123>invoke it from the parent directory?
15:07<frosch123>no idea whether ".." is allowed, but it always has issues with symbolic links
15:07*andythenorth learning about sys.path
15:08<andythenorth>I need to import ./src/constants to this file https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/polar-fox/repository/entry/bin/render_cargo_graphics.py
15:08<andythenorth>the advice so far is
15:08<andythenorth>(1) don't do that
15:09<andythenorth>(2) don't write things that need to do that
15:09<frosch123>put a "main" script into the main folder
15:09<andythenorth>that seems like a hack :)
15:09<frosch123>then import "bin" and import "src"
15:09<andythenorth>I'm only using /bin at all so it looks 'proper'
15:10<andythenorth>there's no actual reason for it not being all in src
15:10<frosch123>add another subfolder to "src" then
15:10<andythenorth>ha ha it even has 2 copies of pixa currently due to this
15:10<frosch123>and make "src" your main path
15:10<andythenorth>thanks
15:11<frosch123>don't call it src/bin though :p
15:11<andythenorth>that would be weird :)
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15:12<frosch123>oh, i recently read about /bin, /usr and /home
15:12<frosch123>just as silly is \ in dos
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15:13<andythenorth>what was the story?
15:13<frosch123>unix started with a proper separation of operating system and user data in /bin and /usr
15:14<frosch123>and put them on two disks
15:14<frosch123>but at some point /bin was full, so they continued with /usr/bin
15:14<+glx>lol
15:14<frosch123>later /home was added to separate user data
15:15<andythenorth>oof :)
15:15<andythenorth>sounds all too familiar
15:15<andythenorth>'mistakes were made'
15:15<frosch123>similar as with \ in dos. while unix already had / for folders, ms said personal computers don't need that
15:15<frosch123>they added / to separate commands from parameters
15:15<frosch123>and then added directories in the next version
15:16<andythenorth>40 years later, we all repeat similar mistakes :P
15:16<+glx>yeah who needs folders anyway ;)
15:17<andythenorth>I am stuck with a users and groups implementation that lacks groups
15:17<andythenorth>in a product
15:17<andythenorth>who needs groups?
15:17<andythenorth>:P
15:17<andythenorth>but we will rebuild him
15:23<milek7>it seems that originally DOS used /
15:23<milek7>from MS-DOS 2.0 README: "The user manual contains some significant errors. Most of these are due to last minute changes to achieve a greater degree of compatibility with IBM's implementation of MS-DOS (PC DOS). This includes the use of "\" instead of "/" as the path separator, and "/" instead of "-" as the switch character."
15:24<frosch123>msdos used "/" to separate commands from arguments *without* space
15:24<frosch123>so you wrote "DIR/P" instead of the more modern form "dir /p"
15:24<nielsm>that still works in cmd.exe in windows 10 :)
15:25<nielsm>but early msdos also had a config.sys option to change the command flag character away from /
15:26<frosch123>afaik ibm dos is a licensed version of ms dos
15:26<nielsm>it is
15:26<andythenorth>oof, maybe I CAN AUTOMATE STUFF :)
15:27<nielsm>microsoft bought the system from seattle computer products (I think it was called), then resold it to ibm
15:27<nielsm>and a bunch of oddities in msdos trace to it wanting to be cp/m compatible
15:27<frosch123>hmm, i though msdos is gates idea of immitating wang
15:28<nielsm>(or at least to make porting software from cp/m to dos simpler)
15:28<+glx>cp/m was fun
15:28<milek7>https://www.filfre.net/2012/05/the-ibm-pc-part-2/
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15:34<andythenorth>that's my evening gone :)
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16:24<LordAro>andythenorth: you can do import ..src.constants, but yeah, don't
16:25<andythenorth>nah I restructured
16:25<LordAro> good :)
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17:19<supermop_Home_>oops
17:19<supermop_Home_>I accidentally built blaze ends with helm wind cars
17:20<andythenorth>did it work? :)
17:21<supermop_Home_>yep
17:22<andythenorth>might be...underpowered
17:22<supermop_Home_>it only goes 201kmh tho
17:22<supermop_Home_>and makes diesel smoke
17:22<supermop_Home_>which is what clued me in to the problem
17:22<andythenorth>that's unexpected
17:22<supermop_Home_>lots of power tho
17:25*andythenorth going big on container wagons :P
17:25<andythenorth>2.1 in progress
17:26<supermop_Home_>hmm the reverse is disappointing
17:27<supermop_Home_>helm wind padded out with some hst cars for economy still limited to 201kmh
17:27<andythenorth>and 1700hp
17:28<supermop_Home_>I had two sets of helm wind cars and 4 hst cars
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18:31<andythenorth>oops bedtime was ages ago
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20:07<Wormnest>Last automatic build of master for Windows is Sept 15. There might be a problem there since there have been later commits.
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20:14<+glx>https://www.staging.openttd.org/ <-- this one is correct
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22:17<Wormnest>glx: I am aware of the stable version but was specifically looking at the nightlies at https://www.openttd.org/downloads/openttd-nightlies/latest.html
22:18<+glx>yes staging has the recent nightlies
22:18<+glx>https://www.staging.openttd.org/downloads/openttd-nightlies/latest.html
22:18<+glx>this one is correct
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22:31<Wormnest>Thank you
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23:57<SimYouLater>Hi. Can someone please read https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=85901 and help me?
23:59<SimYouLater>Specifically, read the second post and then the first one, it'll make more sense.
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