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02:53<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh merged pull request #7608: Codechange: Performance improvement in k-d tree FindNearest() https://git.io/fjBpv
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06:51<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] planetmaker merged pull request #7671: Fix #6407: Show snowy ground sprites for depots https://git.io/fjywY
06:51<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] planetmaker closed issue #6407: railtype - depot - snow https://git.io/fjIJb
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07:02<@planetmaker>uhm... https://www.openttd.org/downloads/catcodec-releases/latest.html does only list the source download. Is there a way to fire up a compile on our CF for catcodec so that we can offer binary downloads?
07:03<@planetmaker>referencing https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=86083&p=1225884#p1225884
07:04<LordAro>new CF? that would require all the docker stuff that OTTD has, afaik
07:04<LordAro>and maybe something more to link it all together, would need to ask TB
07:08<@planetmaker>well... honestly I don't care too much. But I think this guy should get some means to use catcodec :) And I fear a linux build I could offer him won't make him happy :D
07:15<@peter1138>Hi
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08:37<@planetmaker>oh... I so couldn't resist >:-) https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=86083&p=1225886#p1225886
08:51<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet commented on pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/JeWs1
08:53<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet dismissed a review for pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/fjpgr
08:53<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] j-pet updated pull request #7699: Fix: Possible double path separator in FiosMakeFilename https://git.io/fjddy
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11:40<supermop_work>helllo
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12:02<supermop_work>nielsm: trees solved?
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12:33<andythenorth>yo
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12:39<nielsm>trees were never a problem
12:42*andythenorth has tank problems
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13:01<supermop_work>hi andythenorth
13:03<andythenorth>yo
13:06<supermop_work>time to replace chinooks with cheddar valleys, hate to see them go as they still got some legs
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13:07<andythenorth>I wondered about Super Chinook :P
13:07<andythenorth>in a funky livery
13:07<andythenorth>but Horse gets quite big
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13:45<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JeWWp
13:45<DorpsGek_III> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
13:50<TrueBrain>13:02 <@planetmaker> uhm... https://www.openttd.org/downloads/catcodec-releases/latest.html does only list the source download. Is there a way to fire up a compile on our CF for catcodec so that we can offer binary downloads? <- fun "fact", we haven't produced binaries for that since 2010
13:50<TrueBrain>one could consider it "deprecated" :P
13:51<TrueBrain>(just let it sink in for a bit ... 2010 ... 9 years of no binaries ... 1 request ... :P)
13:53<andythenorth>ooh it's TrueBrain
13:55<nielsm>if catcodec is deprecated then what's the new way of making sound sets?
13:56<TrueBrain>the fact it is deprecated, sadly doesn't imply there is something better :)
13:57<TrueBrain>well, I never said it was deprecated, I said one could consider it as such :)
13:58<TrueBrain>I just have a very hard time to believe that in 7 years (latest version was from 2012), nothing needed touching in the catcodec codebase :) But that is just me ;)
14:02<TrueBrain>oeh, there is a redis fork (KeyDB) that has active<->active replication .. that would work for my new master server I guess .. hmm .. *reads more*
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14:07<LordAro>TrueBrain: just for fun, i tried compiling it
14:07<LordAro>0 warnings, even after adding extra warning flags
14:08<LordAro>it is only 4 cpp files, ~1kloc
14:09<LordAro>also, i'm pretty sure no one's even tried to make a sound set since OSFX was released
14:09<TrueBrain>the latter is more my point, yes ;)
14:09<LordAro>:p
14:10<LordAro>source looks quite clean as well
14:10<LordAro>not like grfcodec
14:10<TrueBrain>as I guess that code never got the lovely C++-modern flavor applied, etc etc :)
14:10<LordAro>*shudders*
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14:15<TrueBrain>https://lgtm.com/projects/g/OpenTTD/catcodec/ <- not bad, tbh
14:16<LordAro>heh, template expansion
14:16<LordAro>but yeah, not bad at all
14:16<LordAro>gj Rubi :)
14:18<TrueBrain>ghehe
14:19<TrueBrain>awh, multi-master of KeyDB is not production ready .... why hasn't this stuff caught up with reality yet ... I need a simple multi-master database so I can finish the new master server .. grrr :@
14:19<LordAro>"simple" "multi-master"
14:19<TrueBrain>*whistles*
14:23<nielsm>maybe the solution is just to use a traditional sql database
14:24<TrueBrain>yeah, but that got shot down last time :(
14:25<TrueBrain>just stupid it hasnt been solved yet :P
14:25<TrueBrain>but yeah, PostgreSQL it is ... meh :P
14:25<LordAro>:o
14:26<LordAro>how dare you say bad things about our lord and master postgresql
14:26<TrueBrain>I didn't :(
14:43<andythenorth>anyone tried this yet? https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=58904
14:54<firewire1394>============================================================================
15:00<TrueBrain>nice lines
15:00<TrueBrain>do you have them in single too?
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15:03<andythenorth>are they the correct number?
15:03<andythenorth>count them
15:06<Eddi|zuHause>no, it's one too much
15:08<andythenorth>needs rectified
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15:15<nielsm>refresh some C++ features: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz5Qx18H6lg
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16:06<supermop_work>andythenorth: less that i want modern class 20s, more than i'm sad to put them to bed 10 years into their life
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16:09<andythenorth>scrap
16:17<supermop_work>ya hate to see it
16:19<@planetmaker>TrueBrain, catcodec cannot be deprecated. It's an essential tool to create content for OpenTTD
16:20<@planetmaker>however, for what it's worth, it would probably go a long way, to link e.g. orudge's binary to the download which he posted in forums today
16:21<@planetmaker>yet... having catcodec connected to CF would be ofc preferential
16:25<LordAro>perhaps "archived" would be a better term than "deprecated"
16:25<+glx>or "very stable"
16:25<LordAro>"finished"
16:26<TrueBrain>you are all naming different words for "deprecated" .. guess you guys read too much into it :)
16:27<TrueBrain>and planetmaker, the "CF" is either Azure Pipelines or GitHub Actions. All PRs are very welcome to add that to catcodec :)
16:27<LordAro>"deprecated" often means that it's been replaced by something else, is all
16:27<LordAro>or "use not recommended"
16:27<+glx>and github actions is not that hard to use :)
16:28<TrueBrain>LordAro: the latter, yes :D
16:28<TrueBrain>ghehe
16:28<+glx>it just miss useful stuff like templates
16:28<TrueBrain>if it cannot be deprecated, someone should maintain it :D (which includes binaries ;))
16:30<+glx>I just did some tests with github actions https://github.com/glx22/OpenTTD/pull/1
16:30<@planetmaker>it's not like it needs changes. I compiled it today and it compiled without any complaint. Both for my linux and via mingw... so... why change for change's sake?
16:31<@planetmaker>just sad that we don't offer a tool which we could - and should! - offer for a decade already
16:32<TrueBrain>didn't want to pick a fight or anything; was just stating what I saw
16:32<TrueBrain>I think we can all agree we lack people that contribute, so yeah .. sad or not, it is what it is :)
16:32<+glx>I think using cmake for catcodec will simplify
16:32<@planetmaker>glx, catcodec needs no configure... just make. So.. can it get simpler?
16:32<+glx>because mingw in a CF is not an easy way
16:33<@planetmaker>CXX=path/to/mingw make
16:33<@planetmaker>granted I didn't test the binary ;)
16:33<LordAro>worked just fine for me
16:33<LordAro>didn't even need the CXX stuff
16:33<Samu>"latest release"
16:33<LordAro>there's even a Makefile.msvc
16:33<@planetmaker>LordAro, I needed that for cross-compiling. Not for native
16:33<LordAro>ah right
16:33<+glx>then a github workflow should work
16:35<TrueBrain>glx: it is a good idea, convert to CMake, and GitHub Actions should be trivial from there on
16:35<LordAro>it's 4 files!
16:35<TrueBrain>exactly! :D
16:36<LordAro>cmake is overkill at the best of times
16:36<TrueBrain>euh ..... it is less lines than Make :P
16:36<LordAro>barely
16:36<LordAro>especially not if you include the generated makefile :p
16:36<TrueBrain>cheater :P
16:36<TrueBrain>it is just that CMake is easier to automate
16:37<TrueBrain>more generic, more tools that understand it
16:37<TrueBrain>so GitHub Actions becomes easier for more targets
16:37<TrueBrain>but take it how ever you like it :)
16:37<+glx>no need for cmake here, I just checked make.bat :)
16:37<+glx>very easy to use with the windows runners
16:38<+glx>I'll try something
16:40<TrueBrain>just remember that things like warning inline in the PR doesn't work with shit like custom make :)
16:40<+glx>hmm but make.bat doesn't update the version
16:40<TrueBrain>but, these are just advise; feel free to pick your own route towards GitHub Actions :)
16:41<Samu>i thought cmake was a make for c language
16:42<LordAro>that's more or less what it is
16:42<LordAro>it just does a lot more stuff as well
16:43<milek7>github actions? azure pipelines are now deprecated?
16:44<LordAro>such is the fast moving world of CI development
16:44<+glx>github actions uses same hardware as azure pipelines
16:45<Samu>github taking control of everyone's code, is a scary thought
16:46<Samu>too popular
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16:50<LordAro>be a bit difficult for them to "take control"
16:50<LordAro>given it's a git repo, it's decentralised by nature
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16:51<Samu>i've heard that from bitcoin
16:53<Samu>cyas, bed time already :/
16:53<TrueBrain>it reminds me, GitHub support never got back to me on my question ... and I cannot find anywhere a ticket tracker :(
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16:56<TrueBrain>glx: nice work on that GitHub Action on OpenTTD :D
16:56<TrueBrain>I am happy they fixed some annoying things from the Azure Pipeline
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16:56<+glx>yeah but updating vcpkg and installing deps each time is not very optimal
16:56<TrueBrain>"lessons learnt", I guess
16:57<TrueBrain>did they already add cache ..
16:57<+glx>no
16:57<+glx>it's planned
16:57<+glx>the only available cache for now is inside a workflow
16:58<+glx>via artefacts
16:58<TrueBrain>hopefully they add it soon .. but yeah, GitHub Actions tend to be a bit silly, in recreating dockers too
16:59<TrueBrain>too bad I haven't found a way yet to annotate with the latest release of theirs
17:00<+glx>but with github actions it should still be possible to build our CF with a scheduled workflow, and then use that in other repos
17:01<TrueBrain>lol .. haven't seen that yet :D
17:01<TrueBrain>would be interesting ;)
17:01<+glx>but I still prefer the commit checker not in a docker, it's faster :)
17:02<TrueBrain>also if you publish the docker image?
17:03<TrueBrain>now I come to think of it, it is silly to do it via a docker with this new setup they have :)
17:03<TrueBrain>you can just clone the script and run it, indeed
17:03<TrueBrain>lol
17:03<TrueBrain>that is a nice change tbh :)
17:03<TrueBrain>you could in fact just put the whole workflow in the commit checker repo, and only include it from OpenTTD
17:03<TrueBrain>means we can more easily hook it into other repos too
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17:04<+glx>like an action in the commit checker repo ?
17:05<andythenorth>github actions for newgrf builds?
17:05<TrueBrain>yes
17:05<TrueBrain>(to both, sure)
17:05<TrueBrain>glx: as you can include "workflows" from other repos, that should be easy, I guess :)
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17:06<TrueBrain>its funny how GitHub Actions started off with "everything in Docker", but now they seem to go more towards Azure Pipelines: "unless it is already installed" :D
17:09<TrueBrain>https://github.com/actions/toolkit/issues/74 <- sweet :D
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