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03:14<andythenorth>yo
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03:24<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hu
03:26<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hw
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03:28<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4hK
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03:42*LordAro wonders when glx sleeps
03:49<Eddi|zuHause>sleep is overrated
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05:07<@peter1138>I wish I'd slept.
05:52<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain approved pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/JeBvj
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05:53<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #104: Change: Don't push push notifications to IRC https://git.io/Je4PG
05:53<@peter1138>What about pushing push notification notifications?
05:54<andythenorth>I want to be notified if a notification isn't pushed
05:58<@peter1138>I need a lunch notification.
05:58<andythenorth>I had cheese on toast
05:58<andythenorth>or cheese toastie
05:58<andythenorth>I can't remember the approved lexicon
05:58<andythenorth>we should teach DorpsGek about lunch
05:58<andythenorth>DorpsGek: is it lunch?
05:59<@peter1138>Cheese toastie would be cheese *in* toast.
05:59<andythenorth>dorpsgek @lunch
05:59<andythenorth>I can't keep up with everyone's differing cultural views on cheese foods
05:59<@peter1138>But that sounds a bit early for lunch.
05:59<andythenorth>newgrf docks?
05:59<@peter1138>You're British, should be simple.
05:59<andythenorth>English
06:00<@peter1138>I thought "toastie" is a fairly clear definition, to be honest.
06:00<andythenorth>do the Welsh call cheese on toast Welsh Rarebit?
06:00*andythenorth wonders
06:00<andythenorth>could ask the wife
06:00*andythenorth had a toastie
06:01<@peter1138>Welsh Rarebit is supposed to be a melted cheese sauce, on toast, rather than grilling cheese, on toast.
06:19<andythenorth>does it include Worcester sauce?
06:25<@peter1138>Unspecified.
06:25<Sacro>That would be heading into melt territory
06:26<andythenorth>so does anything use liballegro?
06:26<@peter1138>The DOS build did.
06:26<@peter1138>You can possibly enable it on Linux but there's no reason to.
06:26<@peter1138>Urgh, these grapes are a bit sharp!
06:27<LordAro>could probably strip it out
06:27<LordAro>peter1138: do they have knives in them?
06:30<@peter1138>Quite.
06:38<Sacro>Classic ceaser
07:35<andythenorth>lunch?
07:35*andythenorth had crisps
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10:29<andythenorth>so which SDL? https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/7778#discussion_r336222602
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11:17<arikover>andythenorth: #SDL On Linux, the ./configure script requires SDL2 now. I guess that means SDL 1.2 is deprecated (for Linux) now...
11:18<andythenorth>thanks
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11:42<LordAro>arikover: you can specify --with-sdl=sdl1
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11:43<andythenorth>does that need included in the deps list, or too detailed?
11:44<LordAro>might as well remove it
11:45<andythenorth>if I push current state, do all the previous review comments get removed?
11:45<LordAro>they get hidden
11:45<LordAro>(if github determines they are now "outdated")
11:46<LordAro>if you're really lucky, it might invalidate my review
11:48<andythenorth>"Since Visual Studio 2013, ATL code in Visual C++ 2013 is static, eliminating the DLL" I think this can probably go. Though would want someone who actually knows VS to comment on it
11:48<andythenorth>needs an answer
11:48<andythenorth>and can we delegate the detailed instructions for Windows deps to the wiki?
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11:52<LordAro>andythenorth: given someone has apparently wiped out the wiki page as "out of date", i'd be cautious doing that
11:53<LordAro>(i think it was you :p)
11:54<@planetmaker>wiping out is bad. Adding a out-of-date template is the recommended thing
11:56<arikover>LordAro: Oh. Didn't know that.
11:56<arikover>LordAro: Well SDL2 seems a bit quicker anyway (when fast-forwarding) (maybe wishful thinking)
11:57<LordAro>i didn't notice anything when testing
11:57<LordAro>but idk
12:00<andythenorth>https://wiki.openttd.org/?title=Compiling_on_Windows_using_Microsoft_Visual_C%2B%2B_2015&action=history
12:00<andythenorth>:D
12:00<andythenorth>I used the outdate template, unless I know the page is junk
12:03<andythenorth>outdated *
12:05<andythenorth>I think we should either (1) move the windows deps instructions to wiki or (2) provide full compile instructions for every platform
12:05<andythenorth>currently it's 2-track approach
12:05<andythenorth>providing full compile instructions really starts to blur the scope of this PR :)
12:32*andythenorth biab :P
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13:11<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
13:12<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
13:16<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
13:18<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
13:21<andythenorth>LordAro: think I changed everything except 'OpenTTD needs the Platform SDK, if it isn't installed already. This can be...'
13:21<andythenorth>which we don't know if we need
13:21<andythenorth>https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/split-out-compiling-instructions/COMPILING.md
13:21<andythenorth>and $somebody should write a wiki page for Windows compiling
13:22<andythenorth>or alternately make the repo docs canonical for compiling :)
13:22<@planetmaker>repo docs should be for compiling... after all: who compiles has source
13:22<@planetmaker>and can thus make PRs
13:24<andythenorth>but can those who figure out compiler problems rely on us to make docs commits? o_O
13:24<andythenorth>compared to editing wiki?
13:25<andythenorth>updates to the mac compile page have been vital, and I'm not sure they would have got committed here for days, weeks or even months
13:25*andythenorth is not a big wiki fan, but sometimes they are useful
13:26<+glx>wiki can help with some details, but I think COMPILING.md should be enough to get the info
13:26<+glx>and wiki are often outdated ;)
13:29<+glx>for windows having the MSVC step-by-step in COMPILING.md is enough with other working options, like MSYS2, just linked to the wiki
13:30<andythenorth>glx: any changes needed in that doc above? ^^
13:30<andythenorth>if we want to add more compile instructions, I would rather a separate PR
13:30<andythenorth>I only did this so I could improve main README :P
13:32<+glx>yeah for now merging/splitting current files is enough
13:32<+glx>if someone wants to improve it can be done later
13:33<andythenorth>can we approve?
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13:54<LordAro>andythenorth: i'd like someone who knows about MSVC to say something about the SDK stuff
13:54<LordAro>other than that, fine
13:56<+glx>the SDK stuff seems ok to me
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14:08<andythenorth>that'll do then :)
14:17<andythenorth>can someone merge this so we can edit in place? https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/103
14:17<andythenorth>actually I'll just delete it
14:21<andythenorth>no that doesn't work either, I can't create files in the website repo
14:21<andythenorth>GH suggests I can, but then I don't have rights after filling out all the form fields
14:21<andythenorth>this is like the most lolz form of blogging ever
14:21<andythenorth>TrueBrain hi
14:50<+glx>https://github.com/andythenorth/website/edit/2019-october-dev-post/_posts/2019-10-16-monthly-dev-post.md doesn't work for you ?
14:52<andythenorth>works fine, but it's not how the blog posts should be done
14:53<andythenorth>actually, no, it doesn't work
14:53<andythenorth>that's lolz
14:53<andythenorth>the commit button remains disabled
14:54<+glx>I just tried adding a space and starting to fill the commit enabled the button
14:54<andythenorth>yeah that works
14:55<+glx>you can't edit without creating commits on github
14:55<andythenorth>but then I might as well just edit in editor
14:55<andythenorth>and not in a crappy browser UI :)
14:58<+glx>on github editor you can preview the changes ;)
14:59<andythenorth>I just preview them locally in the website ;)
14:59<andythenorth>jekyll install innit
14:59<andythenorth>anyway, this blogging stuff is pretty unrewarding, so I'm watching YT
14:59<andythenorth>I stayed up late writing a post, because we don't have any recently
14:59<andythenorth>but it just goes off to die
14:59<andythenorth>with a crapload of edit suggestions
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15:00<andythenorth>we act surprised that nobody wants to promote the project
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15:00<andythenorth>but it's ~impossible
15:00<andythenorth>I rewrote the website to make this crap easier
15:01<andythenorth>but was pretty much a waste of time
15:02<andythenorth>we've fixed github pretty good, and the commits we have this last year are awesome
15:03<andythenorth>but the website is like pulling teeth, and the newgrf tools / coop ecosystem is collapsing
15:03*andythenorth goes back to watching TV shows from 1981
15:04<andythenorth>it's really fucking demotivating taking on sole maintainer tasks in a system that's based on at least two people, one to commit, and one to review / merge
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15:31<LordAro>andythenorth: do you want an internet hug?
15:32*Wolf01 hugs andythenorth
15:32<andythenorth>lolz
15:32<andythenorth>I am watching original Minder and planning to rewrite README
15:33<Wolf01>I'm planning to kill diablo, but I don't know if I'll be able to do it this evening
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16:00<TrueBrain>wassup andythenorth?
16:03<andythenorth>yo
16:03<andythenorth>TrueBrain: is there a way we can reduce bullshit from making news posts?
16:03<andythenorth>:)
16:04<TrueBrain>owh boy, is it one of these days? Did you take those magic pills like we talked about? :D
16:04<TrueBrain>gathering from the words "reduce bullshit", something triggered you :P
16:04<TrueBrain>guess you need a bit more words to make that clear to me :D
16:05<andythenorth>the actual trigger was World of Tanks Blitz, where I clicked a button to see what it did
16:05<andythenorth>and what it did was take £20 of gold from my account with no warning
16:05<TrueBrain>:o
16:05<TrueBrain>that is .... wow
16:05<TrueBrain>illegal in my country :)
16:05<andythenorth>which is somewhat like being scammed by Belarussians
16:05<andythenorth>meanwhile
16:05<+glx>illegal here too I think
16:06<andythenorth>anyway, I stayed up late writing this https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/pull/103
16:06<andythenorth>but it's just like a massively over-engineered process to get it live
16:06<TrueBrain>huh?
16:06<andythenorth>at work, I want to do a blog post, I log in to Wordpress, type, press publish
16:07<TrueBrain>you write blog post, someone approves it, you merge it ..
16:07<TrueBrain>what .... are you smoking exactly? :D
16:07<andythenorth>TL;DR async sucks
16:07<andythenorth>there's no reward doing this work, it's just like unpaid work
16:07<andythenorth>write...wait...wait....get review...make changes...await endless consensus
16:07<andythenorth>then finally someone approves and merges
16:07<TrueBrain>ah, you want dictator mode?
16:08<andythenorth>dunno
16:08<andythenorth>something
16:08<andythenorth>anything
16:08<TrueBrain>well, given that feedback you got on that pullrequest, it seems fair that we do it this way, not?
16:08<TrueBrain>looking at the timestamps, you got that review REALLY quick
16:08<TrueBrain>so .. I am not sure what you trying to say? (honestly, you just pushing out random words, I am trying to pick up context :D)
16:08<andythenorth>dunno, we can have 'monthly' blog posts that are perfect and consesus approved
16:08<andythenorth>the last one was what...July?
16:08<andythenorth>or we can have less good, and it got done
16:08<TrueBrain>and was that really because of the process, or because of the people?
16:09<TrueBrain>seems you trying to fix something in the wrong place?
16:09<andythenorth>I am probably the wrong person to try tbh
16:09<andythenorth>it's my day job
16:09<andythenorth>and I don't have this problem, I just write, publish
16:09<andythenorth>or I just make website, put it through QA, push git tag
16:09<TrueBrain>you publish external information without review?
16:09<andythenorth>all the time
16:10<TrueBrain>sounds you need to fix your day-job process :D
16:10<TrueBrain>please, tell me at least someone else looks at your work before it hits public?
16:10<andythenorth>like I said, I am the wrong person
16:10<TrueBrain>:D
16:10<andythenorth>I am playing with my own skin in the game
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16:11<TrueBrain>anyway, still not fully sure what ticked you off in this process
16:11<TrueBrain>I think it is at easy-going as it can be, given what we have
16:11<TrueBrain>what would you like to see different?
16:11<andythenorth>well
16:11<andythenorth>we could have collaborative editing?
16:11<TrueBrain>we have?
16:11<andythenorth>instead of this bizarre double handling review process
16:11<TrueBrain>E_DID_NOT_PARSE :)
16:12<+glx>anyone can push changes to PR
16:12<andythenorth>I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR
16:12<TrueBrain>you are very in-cohesive to me, sorry :(
16:12<andythenorth>then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review
16:12<TrueBrain>you have to do what?
16:12<+glx>unless you unticked the box
16:12<TrueBrain>okay, so much to unwrap here .. we go from 0 to 100
16:12<andythenorth>then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push
16:12<andythenorth>await more review
16:12<TrueBrain>22:12 <andythenorth> I have to make a branch in my fork, commit, push, make a PR <- no, wrong
16:12<TrueBrain>you make a branch in the website repo, and you all make your changes in there
16:13<TrueBrain>if you don't have those permissions, you can ask
16:13<TrueBrain>(instead of this vague me-hunting-down-what-ticked-you-off)
16:13<andythenorth>I have a 'make new file' button
16:13<andythenorth>and I get a form
16:13<andythenorth>and I fill in all fields
16:13<TrueBrain>22:12 <andythenorth> then wait review, then await multiple opinions on review <- yes; that is called collaboration. That is what you were looking for, not?
16:13<andythenorth>but the button does not go green
16:13<TrueBrain>so .. ask me about that problem
16:13<TrueBrain>that is something I can help with
16:13<TrueBrain>instead of this now lengthy conversation :)
16:14<+glx>you tried to make new file in a branch or master ?
16:14<TrueBrain>22:12 <andythenorth> then I have to integrate changes from review, commit, push <- no, those changes are made in the branch by who-ever has issues with it. We have done this for the last few monthly dev-posts .. I assumed that would make it clear how you should use it
16:14<TrueBrain>not sure where that went wrong ..
16:14<andythenorth>I tried to make a file, I must be missing a button somewhere
16:14<TrueBrain>I am a bit baffled tbh ..
16:14<TrueBrain>we did, what, 4 monthly dev-posts
16:14<TrueBrain>without a peep
16:14<TrueBrain>and all of a sudden the world is burning?
16:14<andythenorth>'Commit new file' is disabled
16:15<TrueBrain>so please, don't over-react :D It doesn't make my work easier ;)
16:15<TrueBrain>so, to boil down the whole story: you don't have permissions to create a branch
16:15<TrueBrain>let me check :)
16:15<TrueBrain>you have the same access as I do
16:15<TrueBrain>so something else is amiss
16:16<andythenorth>it will be user error
16:16<+glx>hmm I just tried, and the button goes green for me in both master and new branch
16:16<TrueBrain>https://github.com/OpenTTD/website <- click "Branch: master", type in a name of a new branch, and there you go
16:16<andythenorth>there is some field I am not seeing
16:16<TrueBrain>we reuse the branch "monthly-dev-post" for ... the montly dev post
16:16<TrueBrain>but this is fully optional
16:16<TrueBrain>(to reuse, first remove the old, then create the new)
16:17<TrueBrain>https://github.com/OpenTTD/website/branches <- here you can delete branches
16:17<andythenorth>ok so instructions are: edit in github, using branch monthly-dev-post?
16:17<TrueBrain>(hopefully the trash-can is obvious ;))
16:17<andythenorth>I will try tomorrow with new eyes
16:17<TrueBrain>yes; otherwise ask help
16:17<+glx>but I'm an admin, I think for non admin with merge rights creating file in a new branch is possible, but not creating file in master
16:17<TrueBrain>several people in here already went through this process ;)
16:17<TrueBrain>glx: you are one of the few that can edit in master, yes
16:18<+glx>there are radio buttons in the bottom of the form
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16:28<TrueBrain>pfft, they shouldn't give you choices!
16:35<TrueBrain>okay, so the main question is why Azure didn't got back to me ... I wrote them a nice email, I would expect a reply by now .. even if it was to say: FU, not happening
16:36<andythenorth>gold standard service :P
16:37<TrueBrain>nah; just if they do any form of discounts for Open Source projects
16:37<TrueBrain>they do for non-profits, but .. we don't have a legal entity ;)
16:38<andythenorth>is there a 'follows #nnnn' concept in Github PRs?
16:38<andythenorth>or do we have to that in notes?
16:38<TrueBrain>'follows #nnnn'?
16:38<andythenorth>a PR that depends on a prior PR
16:38<TrueBrain>ah; that doesn't exist, basically
16:38*andythenorth trying to figure out how not to make a mess in a diff
16:38<TrueBrain>either that is in the same PR, or they are not overlapping
16:39<TrueBrain>comes from the idea: either you are finished or you are not
16:39<+glx>you can keep the branch in your repo for now, the file is editable there anyway ;)
16:39<TrueBrain>I don't always agree with the choices; but at least they are choices :D
16:40<andythenorth>the cleanest is to not make a PR until the prior PR is merged, which I think is what glx is suggesting
16:43<+glx>but you can still work on the next part from a branch of the PR, so once it's merged you just rebase your working branch
16:44<andythenorth>yes
16:44<andythenorth>thanks
16:45<andythenorth>FWIW TrueBrain, sometime this year you wrote "some more serious thought, what would really help for OpenTTD, I think, is if the README.md in the root folder was meant for people visiting GitHub"
16:45<andythenorth>which is what I'm working on, hurrah
16:45<TrueBrain>\o/
16:45<+glx>like my https://github.com/glx22/OpenTTD/commits/cmake_api branch is based on the cmake one
16:45<andythenorth>all prizes
16:46<TrueBrain>in the meantime I am pretty much stuck with DigitalOcean, and I have to build much myself ..
16:46<TrueBrain>but Azure is twice as expensive ..
16:46<TrueBrain>which ticks me off :P
16:46<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth updated pull request #7778: Doc: split compiling instructions from README, as they aren't requir… https://git.io/Je4DK
16:47<andythenorth>we don't have the funds? :|
16:47<andythenorth>or you just like to win? :)
16:48<TrueBrain>no, when starting this migration to a more managed platform, I had the goal to not spend more than twice we do now
16:48<TrueBrain>which mister o said was well within what we had to spend
16:48<TrueBrain>going double on that, I would have to check in again
16:48<TrueBrain>possibly
16:48<TrueBrain>but it also becomes this number that just sounds too big .. but possibly I should just ignore that annoying feeling
16:48<TrueBrain>either way, I at least always like to ask; even if the answer is: no, we don't give discounts, that is fine
16:49<TrueBrain>just the getting no reply is .. annoying
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16:50<+glx>the most annoying part with DO is the absence of ipv6 support
16:50<TrueBrain>no IPv6 and UDP on their LB
16:50<TrueBrain>the constant 404s on their CDN for reasons I still don't get
16:50<TrueBrain>managed database that starts at 15 dollar a month
16:51<TrueBrain>it is perfect for the small stuff
16:51<TrueBrain>it becomes a bit problematic if you start to want more :)
16:51<TrueBrain>which is totally fine, and I fully get it
16:51<TrueBrain>not blaming DO :)
16:51<andythenorth>anyone want to point out needed improvements in this, before I do too much? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md
16:52<andythenorth>#1 improvement: it doesn't tell you where to just download OpenTTD and start playin it
16:52<andythenorth>playing *
16:52<TrueBrain>main issue I have, it is too long
16:52<TrueBrain>lot of stuff nobody really cares about
16:52<andythenorth>compiling info is split out
16:52<andythenorth>other stuff could be split out
16:52<andythenorth>at some point I wonder about distinction between github .md docs, and website info
16:52<andythenorth>there is some blurred lines
16:52<andythenorth>also wiki
16:53<TrueBrain>like 5.1 and 5.2 .. nice and all .. but really in a README?
16:53<TrueBrain>7.2 ... like anyone still doing that?
16:53<andythenorth>doubt it
16:53<+glx>7.2 has nothing to do in the readme I think
16:54<andythenorth>+1
16:54<andythenorth>do we want DEBUGGING.md ?
16:54<+glx>translation stuff should probably go in CONTRIBUTING.MD
16:55<andythenorth>don't we translate with eints?
16:55<+glx>we do
16:55<andythenorth>So, now that you have notified the development team about your intention to
16:55<andythenorth>translate (You did, right? Of course you did.) you can pick up english.txt
16:55<andythenorth>(found in the Git repository under /src/lang) and translate.
16:55<+glx>but translating is contributing
16:55<TrueBrain>for me, it is not as much as slimming down README.md, but more about making one that fits with GH
16:56<andythenorth>I am going to look at a few others
16:56<+glx>the stuff in the readme really looks like creating a brand new translation
16:57<TrueBrain>it is :)
16:57<+glx>and readme is not really the place for that :)
16:57<andythenorth>see this is much much simpler no? https://github.com/twbs/bootstrap
16:57<TrueBrain>the README used to be for another public/goal
16:58<andythenorth>times change :D
16:58<TrueBrain>yes it does
16:59<+glx>some stuff in the readme just needs to move away from the readme, but kept in docs
16:59<andythenorth>Get Started, Community, Contribute, License, Credits??
17:00<andythenorth>hmm needs Supported Platforms
17:00<andythenorth>and Translating
17:00<andythenorth>ok
17:01<+glx>supported platforms can stay in readme
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17:01<+glx>same for installing and running
17:03<+glx>and we could probably generate a config.md from settingsgen to document the config file
17:03<andythenorth>oh that would be nice
17:03<andythenorth>how much of this should be in website?
17:03<andythenorth>or delegated to wiki?
17:04<andythenorth>README.md should mostly be links / signposts?
17:05<+glx>readme should at least give the info on how to run openttd
17:06<+glx>it's part of the bundle
17:06<andythenorth>ok cool
17:06<andythenorth>so keep all of https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#40-installing-and-running-openttd
17:07<+glx>bug report procedure can stay too, but maybe move advanced debug (desyncs) outside of it
17:09<+glx>and for me supported platforms could be included in the about section
17:09<andythenorth>+1
17:10<andythenorth>https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#30-supported-platforms
17:10<andythenorth>Windows Allegro is now dead, if I understood correctly?
17:11<andythenorth>FreeBSD and OpenBSD justify separate entries?
17:11<+glx>I think it was never really tested
17:11<+glx>for SDL I need to test but it's probably broken too
17:12<andythenorth>Linux Allegro valid?
17:12<+glx>as it was not a full SDL app, but a win32 app with soft loading of SDL.dll
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17:13<andythenorth>ok
17:14<frosch123>linux allegro worked last time i tried (2 years ago)
17:15<frosch123>also i need to clean my mouse
17:15<frosch123>every now and then clicking left also does click right
17:15<frosch123>so weird
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17:15<+glx>ah mine does double or triple clicks on the 3 buttons
17:16<frosch123>well, your fault sounds intuitive
17:17<frosch123>but i see no mechanical coupling between left and right
17:17<andythenorth>no dirt in it?
17:17<frosch123>first i though it was a software bug :p
17:17<+glx>but it's a 2002 model :)
17:17<andythenorth>is the flex pinched?
17:17<TrueBrain>fat fingers? :D
17:17<andythenorth>most of my typing erros are because Apple keys are too close together :P
17:17<+glx>so probably dying microswitches
17:17<frosch123>no, i tested it with xev
17:18<frosch123>contant clicking and then suddenly the wrong key intermixed :p
17:18<andythenorth>this ok for supported platforms + legacy support? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#30-supported-platforms
17:18<andythenorth>ignore the heading order in the file
17:21<+glx>"quickly" trying building with sdl (mingw build)
17:21<+glx>because doing it in VS is not as easy
17:22<+glx>requires changes in the project file
17:23<andythenorth>DEBUGGING_DESYNCS.md ? :P
17:23<+glx>no need for the caps :)
17:24<andythenorth>docs/debugging_desyncs.md?
17:24<andythenorth>might be better
17:24<+glx>yes
17:24<andythenorth>root of repo is getting cloudy
17:24<+glx>root should have basic md
17:24<+glx>README, COMPILING, CONTRIBUTING
17:24<+glx>the rest can go in docs
17:25<andythenorth>+1
17:26<andythenorth>seems fine? https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/docs/debugging_desyncs.md
17:26<+glx>should be if it's just a copy paste :)
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17:28<+glx>hmm building with sdl seems to work
17:29<+glx>needs to test some stuff
17:30<+glx>List of video drivers:
17:30<+glx> win32: Win32 GDI Video Driver
17:30<+glx> sdl: SDL Video Driver
17:30<+glx> dedicated: Dedicated Video Driver
17:30<+glx> null: Null Video Driver
17:30<+glx>seems right
17:30<+glx>let's try to use them now :)
17:35<+glx>ok sdl works, but dmusic fails with sdl driver is used
17:37<+glx>default driver is win32 anyway
17:40<andythenorth>rewriting this https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#20-contact-and-community
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17:40<andythenorth>the wiki is official-but-not-quite?
17:40<nielsm>oh turns out _that_s why this channel was so silent today
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17:40<nielsm>my client hadn't joined for some reason
17:40<+glx>ahah dmusic fails when sdl is used as video or sound driver
17:41<+glx>wiki is a wiki
17:42<andythenorth>https://github.com/andythenorth/OpenTTD/blob/revise-readme-october-2019/README.md#20-contact-and-community
17:42<andythenorth>lol nielsm
17:43<+glx>nielsm: happens to me when for some reason IPv6 is down on my side
17:43<nielsm>IPv6 has never been up here so that's not a cause
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18:00<andythenorth>bedtime
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