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02:25<arikover>Good morning.
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02:48<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh opened issue #8248: Audio breaks after system resume on Windows
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03:55<andythenorth>in what world would I not want to use SSL/TLS?
03:59<LordAro>generic simplicity?
04:00<LordAro>though more usually, whatever you want to connect to the site/bucket doesn't support it
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04:03<andythenorth>don't most browsers now block websites that aren't SSL/TLS?
04:03*andythenorth may be out of the loop
04:03<LordAro>block? no
04:03<LordAro>they just display little "unsecure" messages at the top
04:04<andythenorth>maybe I'm conflating that with the 'certificate expired' warnings which block progress
04:05<LordAro>(and also mismatched domains)
04:06<andythenorth>anyway, I'll need to learn all this cloudfront bollocks :)
04:06<andythenorth>http only is just weird in 2020
04:08<andythenorth>.gg? o_O
04:08*andythenorth looking in the TLD list
04:08<andythenorth>used to buy domains all the time for web projects, haven't bought one for years
04:09<LordAro>so many
04:09<andythenorth>no .grf
04:09<andythenorth>I guess I'm just registering a personal site
04:10<andythenorth>afaict, community grf stuff like coop is dead
04:10<andythenorth>shame there's no .bananas tld :P
04:19<nielsm>look, would be perfect
04:22<LordAro>.tt super expensive
04:23<andythenorth>I wondered if there was .game
04:23<andythenorth>couldn't see it :P
04:23<LordAro>something like that would be only a matter of time, i would think
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04:44<andythenorth>I started searching for Github Actions, to learn it
04:44<andythenorth>but all I'm getting is results for pre-baked magical plugins
04:44<andythenorth>not how to start from scratch
04:45<andythenorth>oh this might be better
04:46<andythenorth>this looks promising
04:48<LordAro>andythenorth: you can look at what we did for dorpsgek & nml
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04:54<andythenorth>I will
04:54<andythenorth>I guess it has to reinstall the deps on every run
04:54<andythenorth>but I'm not bothered about cycle times
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06:09<FLHerne>andythenorth: Guernsey
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07:01<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
07:25<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
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08:28<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8249: CMake: Not possible to cross-compile due to settinsgen/strgen
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10:12<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
10:27<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
10:57<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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13:35<andythenorth>.dog TLD?
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14:05<andythenorth>oof I hate choosing domain names :D
14:07<andythenorth> might be free
14:07<andythenorth>nothing in whois for it
14:08<andythenorth>is that a good name to replace bundles?
14:09<nielsm>sorry but that should really be .info, anything else would be absurd
14:11<andythenorth>TrueBrain how hard was it to use a domain that wasn't registered via Amazon's Route 53 thing?
14:12<andythenorth>I'm wondering if could alias or proxy to an S3 bucket, or if that's just impossible
14:20<andythenorth>oh there's a .fail TLD
14:20<andythenorth>there's also .farm
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14:43<TrueBrain>andythenorth: AWS doesn't care if it hosts a domain or not
14:44<TrueBrain>if you want a custom domain name on an S3 bucket, with indexing, you have to use cloudfront to have https
14:44<TrueBrain>Create certificate via AWS Certificate (this is a must; cannot be any other CA)
14:44<TrueBrain>Create AWS Cloudfront entry with the certificate and point to the S3 bucket
14:45<TrueBrain>wait till it provisions .. wait .. wait ... wait ... wait ...
14:45<TrueBrain>CNAME your subdomain to the cloudfront domain
14:45<TrueBrain>if you don't want the CNAME, you need to deligate the (sub)domain to Route53
14:45<TrueBrain>we do this for, where only the domains that are moved to AWS are on Route53, via subdeligation (NS deligation in this case)
14:45<TrueBrain> -> CNAME to -> on Route 53 with ALIAS to CloudFront entry
14:46<TrueBrain>but I do this because I very much dislike CNAMEs outside the domain
14:48<andythenorth>ok so in principle, coop bundles could move to S3
14:48<andythenorth>I'm potato / potato, but inventing a new domain name is boring :P
14:48<TrueBrain>of course :)
14:48<TrueBrain>but it is all or nothing
14:48<andythenorth>I have no ability to control bundles ofc :)
14:52<TrueBrain>from a practical point of view, it is easier to pick a new domain and move stuff there, instead of a big-bang
14:52<TrueBrain>believe me ... I know :P
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15:00<andythenorth>ok, so I need a name
15:00<andythenorth>maybe a forum poll? :P
15:11<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7947: Fix #7945: Add cost of clearing the sloped tile when placing a dock
15:12<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
15:13<andythenorth>only $29 / year
15:14<TrueBrain>if you want it for more than you alone, do something like openttd-content
15:15<TrueBrain>yes, you need a poll :P
15:17<frosch123>i think this channel is a simulation
15:18<TrueBrain>life is a simulation, so what makes this channel more special?
15:18<frosch123>same topic as when i left a few days ago
15:18<frosch123>it just paused while i was gone
15:18<TrueBrain>it is like OpenTTD, it pauses when there is nobody here
15:18<TrueBrain>(and yes, I am calling andythenorth and me nobody :P)
15:21<milek7>​/mode #openttd min_active_clients=0
15:21<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
15:21<TrueBrain>frosch123: does it also work for my bankaccount, you think? If I dont look, it is the same as I left it last?
15:22<frosch123>there are different pause modes, some discard commands, others queue them
15:22<TrueBrain>haha :D
15:23<b_jonas>in hotkeys.cfg , which entry sets the hotkey for the tile query (question mark in blue disk) tool?
15:24<frosch123>check the maintoolbar section
15:25<b_jonas>frosch123: yes, that's what I'm looking at
15:26<b_jonas>there's "ai_debug", "client_list", "sign_list" but I don't think any of those is it
15:26<frosch123>src/toolbar_gui.cpp: Hotkey(WKC_F12, "land_info", MTEHK_LANDINFO)
15:26<b_jonas>ah indeed
15:26<b_jonas>I'm blind
15:26<b_jonas>no wait
15:27<TrueBrain>put it on the wiki for the next person to find easier! :)
15:27<b_jonas>that's only in sceneedit_maintoolbar
15:27<b_jonas>unless I accidentally deleted it from the normal maintoolbar section during my edits
15:28<frosch123>looks like hotkeys are different in-game and in-se
15:29<b_jonas>the tools are different, so that makes sense
15:32<andythenorth>nah $146
15:32<TrueBrain>lolz ... keep it sane plz :)
15:33<andythenorth>there's always .net
15:33<andythenorth>a classic
15:33<frosch123>i still like
15:33<andythenorth> :D
15:33<andythenorth>can we register that with openttd donations?
15:35<TrueBrain>no tnx :)
15:36<milek7> (not really)
15:36<TrueBrain>sounds realistic :P
15:41<frosch123>andy is the only user, right?
15:43<andythenorth>I just read the docs locally
15:44<TrueBrain>ask if you can have
15:45<b_jonas>check if they accept it under the .travel domain :-)
15:50<andythenorth>I just want this because I keep getting asked about bundles
15:50<andythenorth>de-facto I'm responsible for answering bundles questions :)
15:50<andythenorth>because my stuff is there
15:51<andythenorth>so I get DMs and stuff about why bundles is not maintained
15:52<TrueBrain>I never get DMs :)
15:52<TrueBrain>so happy about that
15:52<TrueBrain>helps I am not on twitter etc :P
15:52<nielsm>TrueBrain: did you figure anything out for the email?
15:53<TrueBrain>nein; also haven't looked any further tbh
15:53<TrueBrain>the russian one still scares me to death and back
15:53<nielsm>yeah I think even if it's "safe", there's a big risk of being randomly blocked by recipients
15:54<TrueBrain>mostly I have been wondering if anyone has been sending mails FROM in the last 5 years, excluding info@
15:54<nielsm>I talked to my friend at the company running, they can't sponsor us, but I think it's still worth a look
15:54<nielsm>you should send them a mail and ask for a quote
15:55<TrueBrain>well, do devs really need a mailbox, or is a forward sufficient?
15:55<nielsm>a forward is probably enough for most
15:55<frosch123>TrueBrain: i am strongly in favour of deleting all mails except info@
15:55<TrueBrain>I think I am the only one who sends mail as truebrain@, for various of infra contacts
15:56<frosch123>no forward needed either
15:56<TrueBrain>frosch123: well, we need forwards, as we need things like github accounts bound to us :)
15:56<TrueBrain>so it is not THAT simple :)
15:57<frosch123>looks like i answered a mail 2019-06-28, 1 year 1 day ago :p
15:57<TrueBrain>let me check the server logs
15:59<TrueBrain>translators@, info@, truebrain@ and pm were used this year
16:00<andythenorth>are emails used for any transactional services, activation emails, billing etc?
16:00<andythenorth>otherwise just scrap them :P
16:00<andythenorth>email is illy
16:00<andythenorth>silly *
16:00<frosch123>andythenorth: if you own info@, you own ottd
16:00<TrueBrain>that I just pointed out andythenorth ;)
16:00<andythenorth>I am agreeing
16:00<TrueBrain>but okay, only having info@ as a real mailbox would make things a lot easier
16:01<TrueBrain>that would mean nobody can email from <devname> anymore
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16:01<TrueBrain>which, again, is most likely hurting me more than anyone else :P
16:01<TrueBrain>I will survive ;)
16:02<frosch123>TrueBrain: what is wrong with "devname (OpenTTD)" <info@> ?
16:02<TrueBrain>well, for me that won't work, but it seems nobody else is using their to sent anyway :) but yeah, good solution
16:03<TrueBrain>and for myself, I just have to change some mail accounts to something like or what-ever
16:04<frosch123>same here,
16:04<andythenorth>ooh I could use for my grf server?
16:04<andythenorth>you already have the domain :)
16:04<TrueBrain>just ... pick .. a .. freaking .. domain :P
16:04<TrueBrain>frosch123: you really have that domain? lol
16:05<frosch123>andythenorth: what do you think is the average number of domains owned by people in this channel?
16:05<andythenorth>I used to have about 130
16:05<frosch123>TrueBrain: no, i just did not want to paste my private one
16:05<andythenorth>now I have...1 I think
16:05<TrueBrain>frosch123: fair :)
16:05<andythenorth>can I get and use it?
16:05<andythenorth>then you get the DMs :P
16:06<frosch123>.fail is actually expensive
16:06<andythenorth>what's even on ?
16:06<andythenorth>I used to have a blog on it
16:06<andythenorth>that's gone
16:10<TrueBrain>hmm, checking if I can forward more than one address on a 1 user plan of Exchange Online :D
16:10<andythenorth>ok so I'd get bored of, but I might get or
16:10<andythenorth>$29 / year is ok
16:11<andythenorth>.lol is $31
16:12<TrueBrain>please don't use 'openttd' :)
16:12<TrueBrain>well, ^openttd\. that is
16:12<andythenorth>maybe I sleep on it :P
16:13<supermop_Home>should i buy a box of records from japan, or tiny trains from japan?
16:14<supermop_Home>have an amazon gift card and intend to try to use it on
16:14<frosch123>TrueBrain: hetzner's smallest email hosting plan is 2€/month for 100 mailboxes and/or forwards
16:14<andythenorth>supermop_Home both
16:15<supermop_Home>andythenorth both are quite expensive
16:15<frosch123>supermop_Home: both are cheap compared to .game
16:16<TrueBrain>frosch123: I do not want our email hosted at hetzner, sorry .. that really is ... no, just no
16:17<frosch123>do i need to be worried that mine is hosted there?
16:17<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
16:17<frosch123>andythenorth: you can combine that with a short-url service
16:18<TrueBrain>frosch123: you know the reputation of hetzner, right?
16:18<frosch123>no :)
16:18<supermop_Home>or train:
16:18<frosch123>wasn't half of ottd hosted there once?
16:19<TrueBrain>I avoid certain ISPs like the plague :P
16:19<frosch123>pretty sure coop is there
16:20<TrueBrain>for a long time hetzner .. did not .. really care about spammers on their platform. Not sure if this is still true
16:20<TrueBrain>all I know that for a while their whole AS was just spam-listed
16:20<TrueBrain>it was just a lot easier
16:20<supermop_Home>here is one for andy:
16:21<TrueBrain>anyway, we can also use the Exchange Online Plan 1, which is 4 dollar a month
16:21<frosch123>ah, ok, i never send mails, only receive them
16:22<TrueBrain>so that might be the most robust solution I think .. they do have one of the best anti-spam solutions :)
16:23<frosch123>does exchange online support imap? or is it outlook vendor-locked?
16:23<TrueBrain>imap, and owa
16:23<TrueBrain>custom domain
16:23<milek7>oh, microsoft mail...
16:23<frosch123>milek7: not hotmail
16:24<TrueBrain>the only thing I do not know if it is against terms of services to share an account :P
16:25<frosch123>they claim to target companies, so shared info@ should be normal
16:25*andythenorth TV time
16:25<TrueBrain>there are shared mailboxes etc, but that is not what I am not sure about
16:25<TrueBrain>having a single user-account that you share
16:25<TrueBrain>might be against terms of service :)
16:27<TrueBrain>yeah, it is against the terms
16:27<TrueBrain>so that doesn't work :P
16:28<milek7>outlook was the one with guility-by-default policy
16:28<milek7>no delivery to them unless you sign up on their website
16:35<TrueBrain>frosch123: so with hetzner you get a free website with those mailboxes :P
16:36<frosch123>in theory, but you only have ftp access
16:36<frosch123>and ftp cannot even truncate files
16:37<frosch123>it was hillarious when i tried
16:37<frosch123>i did not know that ftp was so broken
16:41<TrueBrain>lolz, what you can do is put something like helpmonks in front of exchange online, making it appear like 1 user :)
16:41<TrueBrain>but yeah, the more reason not to use hetzner frosch123 , sory :P
16:41<TrueBrain>too bad the platforms with hive-anti-spam are expensive these days
16:43<TrueBrain>although spam at is in an all time low I believe :P
16:43<milek7>I considiered this before
16:43<milek7>in the end decided to host my mail myself
16:44<frosch123>TrueBrain: most spam are newsletters
16:45<frosch123>like: openttd 1.10.2 is now hosted on, you can put dodgybanner onto your frontpage to indicate that
16:45<TrueBrain>yeah, not much we can do to prevent those tbh
16:46<frosch123>btw. will we still get a digitalocean invoice in 2 days?
16:47<TrueBrain>I keep forgetting to clean up the last bits and pieces
16:47<TrueBrain>they are now out of retention, so removing should be fine .. will take care of that before the end of next month :)
16:47<TrueBrain>it is only 5 dollar btw
16:48<frosch123>yes, we had ovh banner on our page for 5 years, despite not being sponsored
16:48<TrueBrain>that wasn't my fault :)
16:49<TrueBrain>DO is; and the 500 dollar bill on AWS this month too :P (we have plenty of credits to never see that bill :D)
16:50<frosch123>it was worth aro's reaction, when he asked whether there wasn't a prettier option for the logo
16:50<TrueBrain>do tell?
16:50<frosch123>i already said everything. he asked whether there isn't a prettier banner, i answered that we were not sponsored anyway
16:51<frosch123>he did survive it
16:51<TrueBrain>but what was his reaction!
16:51<TrueBrain>yeah, the OVH sponsorship ended weird .. I believe someone just stopped asking for the yearly extension or something
16:52<TrueBrain>4800 dollar remaining on AWS, for 6 more months
16:52<TrueBrain>guess that will do just fine for now
16:52<frosch123>planetmaker: aw, since when are the irc logs truncated in 2018?
16:53<TrueBrain>lolz :)
16:53<TrueBrain>I found out that I have irc logs back to 2004
16:53<TrueBrain>I only miss some data between 2007 and 2009
16:53<TrueBrain>silly, how that happens
16:53<frosch123>well, look on [Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:14:23 PM CEST]
16:54<frosch123>actually, not worth looking it up
16:54<frosch123>the imagination is better
16:54<TrueBrain>I have no logs of that date :D Lolz .. wuth ..
16:54<TrueBrain>Aug 30 2016 I do have
16:55<TrueBrain>ah, I cannot search
16:57<TrueBrain>[Wednesday, August 30, 2017] [11:25:15 PM] <frosch123> andythenorth: only "new bananas"
16:57<TrueBrain>took a few years to get to that :P
16:59<TrueBrain>anyway, sleepytime
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17:23<b_jonas>I should pay attention to the two bonus tiles that are part of the oil rig even though they look just like water
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17:26<andythenorth>also sleeping time!
17:26<andythenorth>today was weird, nothing went as expected
17:26<andythenorth>I try tomorrow, see how that goes :P
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17:47<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
17:59<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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20:45<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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22:43<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz updated pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
22:49<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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23:49<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
23:54<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] techgeeknz commented on pull request #8217: Port GUI rendering improvements from JGRPP
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