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06:47<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne approved pull request #159: Doc: Changelog for 0.5.3 https://git.io/JU4be
06:47<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne merged pull request #159: Doc: Changelog for 0.5.3 https://git.io/JJIqn
06:49<FLHerne>Oh, damn, I missed something :p
06:52<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne opened pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release... https://git.io/JU4bW
06:52<LordAro>lol
06:52<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release... https://git.io/JU4b4
06:55<DorpsGek_III>[OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne merged pull request #160: Fix: Date for 0.5.3 release... https://git.io/JU4bW
07:03<andythenorth_>\o/
07:03<andythenorth_>including release dates in the changelog is possibly lolz
07:04<FLHerne>We should make the release script add them
07:04<FLHerne>I've written a TT-Forums post
07:05<FLHerne>(using the script :D_
07:05<andythenorth_>awesome
07:05<FLHerne>At this rate, I may recover the time I spent writing that before I die :p
07:05<FLHerne>...the release script should post on TT-Forums :D
07:06<FLHerne>Does phpBB have any usable API?
07:06<LordAro>lol
07:08<andythenorth_>I bumped the thread title
07:30<TrueBrain>[OpenTTD/nml] FLHerne created new tag: 0.5.3 https://git.io/JU4br
07:30<TrueBrain>clearly .dorpsgek.yml needs fixing :)
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09:00<supermop_Home>yo
09:33<TrueBrain>the OpenTTD wiki pushes ~120GB a month .. lol
09:33<andythenorth_>do we need an image CDN? :P
09:33*andythenorth_ pure guessing
09:33<andythenorth_>hello supermop_Home
09:34<TrueBrain>if that bandwidth is an issue, we should slap cloudflare in front of it tbfh :P
09:34<TrueBrain>but it just made me giggle how actively used the wiki is
09:34<TrueBrain>owh ... "grfsearch.openttd.org" is not a plain redirect .. it does some logic with the URL parameters .. owh joy :)
09:37<TrueBrain>right, there are like ~10 redirect domains on OpenTTD .. so far I have been making a separate cloudfront for each domain, just because it is easier .. but this will be a bit noisy .. do I care? Hmm, I guess not
09:40<TrueBrain>the migration is starting to near completion .. just a few things remaining I can do, and a few others have to do .. :)
09:43<TrueBrain>owh, and there is still the matter of email .. yes .. I forgot ..
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10:14<supermop_Home>does Debussy go on the shelf in the D section, or alphabetical by pianist?
10:15<andythenorth_>supermop_Home you are playing the wrong game
10:16<andythenorth_>all physical filing systems suffer from needing to be n-dimensional where they can only (usually) be 1-dimensional
10:16<andythenorth_>this is the same problem as sorting lego
10:17<andythenorth_>or trains
10:17<andythenorth_>supermop_Home there is one true solution however
10:17<andythenorth_>http://www.tenpennydreams.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Colour-co-ordinated-bookshelves.jpg
10:20<Timberwolf>I did that with my CDs once, before I got to the point where "still fits in the cupboard" became the overwhelming concern of any organisational system.
10:21<andythenorth_>I sold all my CDs
10:22<andythenorth_>and I have been giving away a lot of books on the street
10:22<andythenorth_>I might clear out the lego next
10:33<supermop_Home>i have grown vinyl by about 10" during covid
10:34<supermop_Home>will not be fun next move
10:34<supermop_Home>CDs are long since relocated to parents house
10:36<supermop_Home>I've thought about moving to by label / catalog #
10:37<supermop_Home>andythenorth_ this is my old bosses: https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2fMbQhUoO&id=3C42C78C609ED3C48F3092FF9BCA33C2573ABAB5&thid=OIP._MbQhUoOhfcd85MOWOsbIgHaHa&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.pinimg.com%2foriginals%2fac%2feb%2f75%2faceb75241c495276f5d4cd084cda22c0.jpg&exph=1300&expw=1300&q=color+vitsoe+shelves+records&simid=608016066244971605&ck=4EB67DF50200D0ABB433256F2A8BE641&selectedIndex=4&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhi
11:25<andythenorth_>supermop_Home that's a really nice picture tonally
11:25<andythenorth_>did I send you the braun site?
11:25<FLHerne>Yeah, my bookshelves are a case of "now where did I last see that?"
11:26<andythenorth_>supermop_Home https://dasprogramm.co.uk/
11:29<FLHerne>On this shelf next to me, I have a pocket guide to Venice, "Fowler's Modern English Usage, second edition, revised by Sir Ernest Gowers and competely reset", "Animals: tracks, trails and signs", a Pentax camera manual, and "The Tale of jemima Puddle-Duck"
11:29<FLHerne>Oh, and 'Waiting for Godot'
11:31<Eddi|zuHause>i've never seen any of those
11:37<supermop_Home>andythenorth_ he was well known to us when i worked at vitsoe
11:38<supermop_Home>the color think can work though, if you associate the gestalt of the album cover with the feeling of listening to it
11:38<supermop_Home>something i had in high school when i had maybe 60 CDs, not anymore when my options for listening to music are essentially boundless
11:39<supermop_Home>also if the spine color doesn't match the cover you are screwed
11:39<supermop_Home>i used to collect braun objects for awhile, but not much of the big stuff like my boss
11:40<supermop_Home>the PS500 turntable in that pic is a super rare 60hz version
11:40<supermop_Home>basically made to be sold to USAF officers posted to Rammstein AFB
11:46<Timberwolf>https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2fMbQhUoO&id=3C42C78C609ED3C48F3092FF9BCA33C2573ABAB5&thid=OIP._MbQhUoOhfcd85MOWOsbIgHaHa&mediaurl=https%
11:47<Timberwolf>Damn it.
11:48<Timberwolf>I would like to do the open shelves thing but I imagine with two dogs it'd be a disaster.
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11:54<supermop_Home>Timberwolf do your dogs have poor taste in music?
11:56<Timberwolf>They destroyed a Grand Budapest Hotel Blu-Ray, so they're definitely not aligned on film tastes.
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13:31<TrueBrain>frosch123: did you know grfsearch.openttd.org has some kind of wacky php script to redirect everything to the grfcrawler with different URL parameters? :P
13:32<frosch123>yes, it's the only time i wrote php
13:32<frosch123>and it was your idea to use php
13:33<TrueBrain>https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/454c07fe4cb36a67340b7cc6fc2f496d
13:33<TrueBrain>yeah, using PHP is fine
13:33<TrueBrain>but why the change of parameters :P
13:33<TrueBrain>to do with how the client implemented it?
13:33<frosch123>we wanted a sane url for ottd, than we can adapt for whatever
13:33<TrueBrain>ah :) Fair enough :)
13:33<TrueBrain>well, now I need to port this to Javascript :P
13:33<TrueBrain>should be easy enough .. I think
13:33<frosch123>grfcrawler was already considered dead in 2008
13:34<TrueBrain>so we should add something to bananas-web to do this properly, you say?
13:35<frosch123>no, why?
13:35<TrueBrain>more chance on hits!
13:35<TrueBrain>grfcrawler still is .. euh .. empty
13:35<frosch123>ottd already searches bananas
13:35<frosch123>there is no point in reporting bananas stuff in grfsearch
13:35<frosch123>grfsearch is specific for things not on bananas
13:36<TrueBrain>ah .. okay
13:36<TrueBrain>so we keep redirecting it
13:36<andythenorth_>:o grfcrawler
13:36<TrueBrain>fine :P
13:36<andythenorth_>still in use
13:36<frosch123>and thus, i think it's the job of bananas-haters to implement a better grfcrawler
13:36<frosch123>not our job
13:36<TrueBrain>fair enough
13:36<andythenorth_>oh I'm even logged into it
13:37<frosch123>forum sso
13:37<frosch123>what are you doing on forums though :p
13:37<andythenorth_>nml got released
13:38<frosch123>ah, the andy cycle :)
13:38<frosch123>yesterday you told me about quitting nml :p
13:38<andythenorth_>I had to change the topic title as I started it
13:38<andythenorth_>FLHerne released it :D
13:38<andythenorth_>now I just have to do 3 nml tickets, and I can wash my hands of it
13:39<andythenorth_>I have to pay off my NRT debts
13:39<TrueBrain>holy crap, it took me a while to find a server with NewGRFs not on BaNaNaS
13:39<TrueBrain>lol
13:39<andythenorth_>Bananas won
13:40<andythenorth_>except where it didn't
13:40<TrueBrain>it never was losing ;)
13:41<frosch123>did bananas2 win over bananas1 yet?
13:41<TrueBrain>most uses of grfsearch is with an empty search string :)
13:42<frosch123>yes, that's when you just press the button
13:42<frosch123>search by text is when you already searched with text on bananas before
13:42<TrueBrain>I noticed, yes :)
13:42<frosch123>search by grfid is only for savegames
13:42<TrueBrain>about 100 people a day press the button
13:42<frosch123>so, no surprise :)
13:43<TrueBrain>curious people, I am sure :P
13:43<TrueBrain>next-up are some grfids . I am guessing joining a server
13:43<TrueBrain>3 times a day, on average
13:43<frosch123>my finger also slips sometimes, and i just click something
13:43<TrueBrain>first search-text is zbase
13:43<TrueBrain>cztr next
13:44<TrueBrain>not many text searches
13:44<frosch123>and both are on bananas :p
13:44<TrueBrain>most are savegame/server
13:44<TrueBrain>guess an empty search should go to the frontpage
13:45<TrueBrain>well, should be easy to javascript-ify this
13:45<frosch123>isn't that line 15?
13:45<TrueBrain>main difficulty will be testing if urlencode is needed or not in the land of javascript
13:46<TrueBrain>it really depends on how the query parameters are given
13:46<TrueBrain>and boy this will be difficult to test :D
13:46<frosch123>also, 15% of authors migrated 30% of the packages to bananas2
13:46<frosch123>so, bananas1 is still ahead
13:46<andythenorth_>is there a sunset date?
13:46<TrueBrain>it is BaNaNaS v1.5 ! :P v2 is still in the works :P :P
13:47<frosch123>oh, right
13:47<TrueBrain>andythenorth_: there is .. few months ago :P
13:47<TrueBrain>v1 no longer exists in reality; it is now only a paper tiger
13:48<frosch123>andythenorth_: it's like your 3 ticket list
13:48<frosch123>once everyone has migrated, i can be sure there won't be more mails
13:49<TrueBrain>so never :D
13:49<frosch123>otherwise migration ends when ldap data is lost or so
13:49<TrueBrain>owh, right, you need LDAP for cross validation .. that is a fair point
13:50<TrueBrain>today I almost shut down the VM with grfsearch on it :P
13:50<TrueBrain>it was only that I couldn't find the script, that I found out it was on that VM :D
13:50<TrueBrain>I never updated the motd to tell me that :P
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13:55<TrueBrain>right, cleaned up the DNS a bit ..
13:55<TrueBrain>so many records that were no longer used :P
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14:10<supermop_Home>more records in todays mail
14:10<supermop_Home>i need an intervention
14:10<supermop_Home>andythenorth_ one of them is a dieter rams record
14:10<andythenorth_>:o
14:13<supermop_Home>to go on my vitsoe shelf
14:15<supermop_Home>well it is a Brian Eno soundtrack to a dieter rams movie
14:17<supermop_Home>also the RSD re-release of phaedra
14:20<supermop_Home>according to tracking, another will arrive by 8 today
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