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| 02:50 | <andythenorth> | yo |
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| 03:43 | <andythenorth> | wonder if I can read random bits from a neighbouring vehicle |
| 03:46 | <andythenorth> | maybe 0x7A |
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| 05:06 | <TrueBrain> | milek7 / LordAro : you don't make a backup of S3 data because you are afraid S3 loses your data (they have 11 9s? in integrity?); you do it because someone might (accidentally) remove the S3 bucket :) |
| 05:08 | <TrueBrain> | meh; search engines still haven't updated the wiki .. that is annoying |
| 05:10 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain commented on pull request #37: Add: support more than one CDN url https://git.io/Jkrc8 |
| 05:11 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain commented on pull request #37: Add: support more than one CDN url https://git.io/JkrcE |
| 05:12 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain commented on pull request #37: Add: support more than one CDN url https://git.io/Jkrci |
| 05:19 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/bananas-server] LordAro commented on pull request #37: Add: support more than one CDN url https://git.io/JkrCs |
| 05:19 | <TrueBrain> | you didn't know %r? I am shocked :P |
| 05:19 | <TrueBrain> | :D <3 |
| 05:19 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #37: Add: support more than one CDN url https://git.io/Jk3oL |
| 05:20 | <TrueBrain> | %r can print ANY Python object, where %s needs a str function defined :) |
| 05:21 | <TrueBrain> | I fucking hate the Google Admin bla ... I cannot access the search-index state, as I need to do "something" in the admin panel, just that "something" is completely unclear |
| 05:23 | <andythenorth> | TrueBrain is this google search console? |
| 05:23 | <TrueBrain> | yeah .... finally found it, after having to click through several links in the help ... |
| 05:25 | <TrueBrain> | now how to tell it to crawl .... |
| 05:27 | <TrueBrain> | "Indexing requests are currently suspended" |
| 05:27 | <TrueBrain> | well, that was not useful |
| 05:28 | <TrueBrain> | October 14, ongoing - The "Request Indexing" feature of the URL Inspection Tool has been disabled in order to make some technical updates. We expect it to be re-enabled in the coming weeks. In the meanwhile, Google continues to find and index content through our regular methods, as covered here. |
| 05:28 | <andythenorth> | yeah indexing requests are currently suspended |
| 05:28 | <TrueBrain> | riiggghhhhttttt |
| 05:28 | <andythenorth> | since oct |
| 05:28 | <TrueBrain> | "temporary" ... lol |
| 05:28 | <andythenorth> | they are crawling |
| 05:28 | <andythenorth> | I have some pages indexed within 1 hour of publishing |
| 05:28 | <andythenorth> | others have been waiting days |
| 05:29 | <TrueBrain> | the new ones are indexed on google, it seems |
| 05:29 | <andythenorth> | you could try submitting a site map, but eh |
| 05:29 | <TrueBrain> | but the old ones are there too still :P |
| 05:29 | <andythenorth> | yeah, removal requests seem to be stuck |
| 05:29 | <andythenorth> | you can do temporary removals, but getting it to find a permanent 404 and delete... |
| 05:29 | <TrueBrain> | ironic, I pressed the "test live URL" on one URL |
| 05:29 | <andythenorth> | I am having issues |
| 05:29 | <TrueBrain> | it tells me: yup, this is not working |
| 05:29 | <TrueBrain> | but ... I AM KEEPING IT IN MY INDEX NEVERTHELESS MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 05:30 | <TrueBrain> | owh, mediawiki has a lot of pages marked as "noindex", funny .. did not know :) |
| 05:31 | <andythenorth> | you could try 410 old paths |
| 05:31 | <andythenorth> | I don't know how well that works |
| 05:31 | <andythenorth> | I assume it keeps 404 indexed for a period, in case it's temporary error |
| 05:32 | <TrueBrain> | it has 1000+ of the new URLs crawled, but not indexed |
| 05:32 | <TrueBrain> | and over a 1000 (out of the 8k) are already marked as 404, but still indexed :) |
| 05:33 | <TrueBrain> | the 16th it already picked them up |
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| 05:35 | <TrueBrain> | "Crawled - currently not indexed: The page was crawled by Google, but not indexed. It may or may not be indexed in the future; no need to resubmit this URL for crawling." |
| 05:35 | <TrueBrain> | well, that is helpful .. |
| 05:37 | <TrueBrain> | andythenorth: "Currently Google treats 410s (Gone) the same as 404s (Not found)" |
| 05:37 | <andythenorth> | hmm that makes sense |
| 05:37 | <andythenorth> | is there a site map? |
| 05:37 | <andythenorth> | presumably we could generate one if not? |
| 05:38 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, we could |
| 05:38 | <nielsm> | wouldn't it be best to make as many as possible of the old links be "moved permanently" status pointing to the new url? |
| 05:39 | <nielsm> | although that would probably mean having a straight up database mapping them |
| 05:39 | <TrueBrain> | nielsm: that has been talked over several times already, and it the discussion keeps turning up: no, that is not useful :) |
| 05:39 | <TrueBrain> | but I think we all expected search engines to be quicker with this, honestly |
| 05:40 | <nielsm> | do links from forum posts and such still work? |
| 05:40 | <TrueBrain> | nielsm: the main issue is that many pages got moved or even removed |
| 05:40 | <TrueBrain> | lot of the more popular search results for example pointed to pages that had wrong information |
| 05:40 | <TrueBrain> | like .. flat-out wrong :P |
| 05:41 | <TrueBrain> | one bug I do want to fix today, is that on some URLs it returns a very ugly 404, instead of a more prettier 404, from which you can visit the wiki again |
| 05:41 | <TrueBrain> | and I will see if I can dynamically generate a sitemap, if that helps search engines :) |
| 05:42 | <TrueBrain> | nielsm: unlikely; but frosch123 has the details on these questions :) |
| 05:45 | <andythenorth> | hello nielsm also :) |
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| 05:47 | <TrueBrain> | lol ... should we add "hreflang" header for translated pages? |
| 05:47 | <TrueBrain> | or would that be messy :P |
| 05:48 | <TrueBrain> | wow .. doing that in the sitemap will make the sitemap huge, but we will see if it stays < 50MB :) |
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| 05:54 | <andythenorth> | I use this for site audit, it's actually legit not SEO snake oil https://ahrefs.com/website-checker |
| 05:54 | <andythenorth> | probably overkill here, but eh |
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| 06:13 | <Wolf01> | Hi TrueBrain, did you read about 404 errors on search engines results, like https://wiki.openttd.org/Company_Colours ? |
| 06:21 | <frosch123> | Wolf01: every single wiki url without an language in the url will give you a 404 |
| 06:21 | <frosch123> | no need to post a 404 url. i know 10k of them |
| 06:22 | <Wolf01> | So they don't default to english and won't get migrated? |
| 06:22 | <andythenorth> | oof I should write an S3 uploader |
| 06:22 | <andythenorth> | for grf docs |
| 06:22 | <andythenorth> | manual upload is error prone :P |
| 06:23 | <frosch123> | Wolf01: there are 3 options. redirect nothing, redirect top 100, redirect all 10k |
| 06:23 | <frosch123> | "redirect top 100" failed because there is no "top 100" |
| 06:26 | <Wolf01> | I suspect redirect all is not nice either too |
| 06:26 | <andythenorth> | hmm is 100MB of Iron Horse a wise idea? |
| 06:27 | <frosch123> | most users go to the wiki via search engines, so most issues would be solved if search engines would report the new urls |
| 06:28 | <frosch123> | maybe after the search engines are solved, there may be a handful of static links on other sites that may be worth redirecting |
| 06:29 | <frosch123> | maybe the professional excel homework assistance can help us |
| 06:31 | <Wolf01> | The problem is that there seem not to be a new url, there is an archived one |
| 06:33 | <frosch123> | Wolf01: https://github.com/frosch123/gollum-test-data/blob/master/fullmap.json https://github.com/frosch123/gollum-test-data/blob/master/redirects.json |
| 06:40 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/team] frosch123 commented on issue #92: [id_ID] Translator access request https://git.io/Jk21x |
| 06:46 | <andythenorth> | frosch123 any reason not to get random bits from a neighbouring vehicle? |
| 06:46 | <andythenorth> | var 7A appears to offer it |
| 06:47 | <frosch123> | don't use 7A. use 5F |
| 06:47 | <andythenorth> | oh I missed that |
| 06:48 | <andythenorth> | is that documented? |
| 06:48 | <frosch123> | https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2#Variable |
| 06:48 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 06:49 | <andythenorth> | now I have to remember how to mask and shift :) |
| 06:49 | <frosch123> | it's some 8 in the var[] syntax |
| 06:51 | * | andythenorth such copy paste from elsewhere |
| 07:04 | <andythenorth> | 3 bytes of random data |
| 07:04 | <andythenorth> | what's the range of possible results? |
| 07:05 | <frosch123> | there is only one byte for vehicles |
| 07:05 | <frosch123> | noone bothered to add more |
| 07:07 | <andythenorth> | so 256 possible results? |
| 07:07 | <frosch123> | yes |
| 07:07 | <andythenorth> | I have a stupid expansion of all the possible results in a switch |
| 07:07 | <andythenorth> | for reasons |
| 07:16 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: https://github.com/frosch123/wiki-data/issues/new/choose <- do those look reasonable? |
| 07:19 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] frosch123 opened pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/JkrV9 |
| 07:26 | <andythenorth> | anyone remember if temp storage is localised within a varact2 procedure? |
| 07:26 | <frosch123> | no, it's for the whole callback |
| 07:27 | <frosch123> | otherwise you could not pass any parameters to procedures :) |
| 07:27 | <andythenorth> | I thought it would be |
| 07:27 | <andythenorth> | it's puzzling why it works in that case :P |
| 07:27 | <andythenorth> | maybe it's luck :P |
| 07:30 | <andythenorth> | yeah I'm writing over storages that are expired at that point |
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| 07:45 | <TrueBrain> | Wolf01: tnx for telling, and yeah, we know :) I am a bit disappointed how long it takes search engines to update honestly .. now creating a sitemap to speed up that process .. hopefully that will help :) |
| 07:45 | <Wolf01> | :) |
| 07:46 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: I would guess that "main folder" is rather unclear to many |
| 07:47 | <TrueBrain> | and that table would require us to maintain it, but I am fine with that |
| 07:47 | <TrueBrain> | looks good otherwise |
| 07:48 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] TrueBrain requested changes for pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/Jkr6L |
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| 07:55 | <Wolf01> | TB: it wouldn't be a problem if it just was to add /en/ or change the _ with %20 (this one was tricky too), the problem is that page had a totally different path and I needed to search for it looking on other pages to find a link and the it didn't even contain the info I needed :P |
| 07:56 | <Wolf01> | *and then* |
| 07:56 | <TrueBrain> | yeah ... as soon as search engines are updated, that is not a problem anymore |
| 07:56 | <TrueBrain> | till then ... it is a bit annoying |
| 07:56 | * | andythenorth wonders if var 0x61 is documented |
| 07:56 | <andythenorth> | yeah must be |
| 07:57 | <TrueBrain> | hmm .. sitemaps needs absolute URLs .. that is annoying too |
| 07:58 | <andythenorth> | var[0x61, 0, 0x0000FFFF, 0xC6] <-I assume that's 0x61, offset, mask, var num |
| 07:59 | <TrueBrain> | what is going on with your x's? |
| 07:59 | <andythenorth> | is there font oddness? |
| 07:59 | <TrueBrain> | some are UTF-8, others are ASCII :P |
| 07:59 | <andythenorth> | dunno |
| 07:59 | <andythenorth> | some are pasted some are not |
| 07:59 | <TrueBrain> | can be my client btw, but it looks weird as fuck :P |
| 07:59 | <andythenorth> | I guess the client is pseudo-clever |
| 08:00 | <andythenorth> | oof this bitmaths stuff :) |
| 08:00 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: it's your client |
| 08:02 | <andythenorth> | what is the second param on var 61 doing |
| 08:02 | * | andythenorth clueless :D |
| 08:03 | <frosch123> | for var 5F replace the 0 with an 8 |
| 08:04 | <andythenorth> | and the mask? |
| 08:04 | <andythenorth> | I guessed var[0x61, 8, 0x00FF0000, 0x5F] |
| 08:04 | <frosch123> | think of the first 3 params as a triple to identify a variable |
| 08:04 | <frosch123> | err, the last 3 params |
| 08:04 | <frosch123> | well, whatever |
| 08:05 | <frosch123> | 0x61, 8, 0x00FFFFFF, 0x5F |
| 08:05 | <andythenorth> | no idea how I'm going to slice a single bit out of this using params passed to the procedure :D |
| 08:05 | <andythenorth> | maybe I hit the limit of possibility here :) |
| 08:09 | <andythenorth> | seems var[0x61, 8, 0x000000001, 0x5F] picks the last bit |
| 08:09 | <TrueBrain> | holy crap, the sitemap is a bit big :) |
| 08:09 | <frosch123> | what does it contain? just a list of all urls? or more? |
| 08:10 | <andythenorth> | maybe get_bits() will pick these out |
| 08:10 | <TrueBrain> | all URLs and if an URL has a translation what that translation is |
| 08:11 | <TrueBrain> | but tha tlast part is not working, it seems |
| 08:11 | <TrueBrain> | should categories and files also be searchable, I wonder .. |
| 08:12 | <TrueBrain> | it can contain useful information in the mediawiki thingy, of course |
| 08:12 | <frosch123> | no, only Page/ |
| 08:12 | <frosch123> | no templates or categories |
| 08:13 | <TrueBrain> | being able to search for categories can be useful, not? |
| 08:13 | <andythenorth> | hmm this does seem to get a useful result |
| 08:13 | <andythenorth> | getbits(var[0x61, 8, 0x00FFFFFF, 0x5F], LOAD_TEMP(${temp_storage_ids.random_bits_offset}), LOAD_TEMP(${temp_storage_ids.random_bits_count})) |
| 08:13 | <andythenorth> | but it's not the same as using getbits(random_bits, LOAD_TEMP(${temp_storage_ids.random_bits_offset}), LOAD_TEMP(${temp_storage_ids.random_bits_count})) |
| 08:13 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: hmm, okay, then everything :) |
| 08:13 | <andythenorth> | results vary |
| 08:17 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: the Folder/ I am going to skip; that doesn't seem to add value |
| 08:17 | <frosch123> | true, did not think of those |
| 08:18 | <TrueBrain> | mostly checking if my sanity is intact :) |
| 08:18 | <andythenorth> | maybe the mask is picking out different bits? |
| 08:18 | <frosch123> | haha, you still have hope? |
| 08:19 | <andythenorth> | {'var': 0x5F, 'start': 8, 'size': 8}, |
| 08:19 | <andythenorth> | nml definition of random_bits |
| 08:22 | <TrueBrain> | Content-Length: 6126122 |
| 08:22 | <TrueBrain> | 6 MiB of sitemap data :P |
| 08:22 | <TrueBrain> | lol |
| 08:22 | <TrueBrain> | well, it is below 50MB, so it is fine |
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| 08:47 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] frosch123 updated pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/JkrV9 |
| 08:48 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] frosch123 commented on pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/JkrHJ |
| 08:50 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] TrueBrain approved pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/JkrHR |
| 08:50 | <TrueBrain> | https://github.com/TrueBrain/TrueWiki/pull/93 <- I think this is going to work ... |
| 08:50 | <TrueBrain> | let's find out! :D |
| 08:52 | <TrueBrain> | can I check if the XML is a valid sitemap before merging, I wonder .. hmm |
| 08:55 | <TrueBrain> | XML Validation Results - No issues detected |
| 08:55 | <TrueBrain> | w00p |
| 08:57 | <TrueBrain> | LordAro: are the two VPSes ready for use, or did you want to fix the 2 remaining things before that time? |
| 09:04 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/wiki-data] frosch123 merged pull request #4: Add: issue templates https://git.io/JkrV9 |
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| 09:14 | <TrueBrain> | right .. tried 10 sitemap validation tools, 10 different results .. this is funny :P Owh well, to production with this, we will see if Google understands it |
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| 09:17 | <frosch123> | the new error message is a bit lolz, but what can you do :) |
| 09:17 | <frosch123> | many google links to the wiki have _ in the page title. so the new 404 is: "_ is invalid in page names" :) |
| 09:18 | <frosch123> | people can click on the main page now though |
| 09:19 | <TrueBrain> | that is exactly why I did this ;) |
| 09:19 | <TrueBrain> | the plain 404 error was completely unintentional |
| 09:23 | <TrueBrain> | 10994 pages in the sitemap |
| 09:23 | <TrueBrain> | now added to Google Search Console |
| 09:23 | <TrueBrain> | hopefully that helps a bit with speeding up the search engine resulsts |
| 09:25 | <TrueBrain> | owh, all the "Main Page" entries are wrong in the site map :D oops |
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| 09:39 | <TrueBrain> | andythenorth: should URLs in a sitemap be url encoded, or just html escaped? |
| 09:39 | <TrueBrain> | information about this is rather conflicting :P |
| 09:40 | <TrueBrain> | most examples only use simple characters .. like ... yeah ... |
| 09:41 | <TrueBrain> | I think it should be done .. but funny enough, the Google Search Console now tells me some URLs are not in the sitemap, which are all because in the sitemap is the escaped variant, so it seems |
| 09:41 | <TrueBrain> | what-ever, we will see what google indexes :) |
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| 09:56 | <andythenorth> | TrueBrain sorry no idea :) |
| 09:57 | <andythenorth> | I never make any |
| 09:57 | <TrueBrain> | it is okay .. it is a mess :P |
| 09:57 | <andythenorth> | google always wants me to add one |
| 09:57 | <andythenorth> | but it has 100% index coverage of my sites, so eh |
| 09:58 | * | andythenorth wonders why random bits vary |
| 09:58 | <andythenorth> | do I have to read more nml internals? :P |
| 10:00 | <andythenorth> | https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/blob/master/nml/expression/functioncall.py#L273 |
| 10:01 | <TrueBrain> | okay, because of the navigation header on the wiki, google shows a nice breadcrumb too with the results .. that is pretty sweet, honestly |
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| 10:02 | <TrueBrain> | or it uses the URL for that .. what-ever :P |
| 10:02 | <TrueBrain> | no, seems to be the navigation |
| 10:02 | <TrueBrain> | it is skipping the language indicator |
| 10:02 | <andythenorth> | can we include rich results? :P |
| 10:03 | <andythenorth> | hmm maybe I imagined the different random result |
| 10:03 | <TrueBrain> | "OpenTTD | Installation FAQ - OpenTTD Wiki" <- not sure why Google adds "OpenTTD Wiki" to it, honestly |
| 10:03 | <andythenorth> | I can't repro a difference now |
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| 10:04 | <andythenorth> | me neither TrueBrain, I don't see that in source? |
| 10:04 | <TrueBrain> | also weird .. sometimes it does this as title: "Developers - OpenTTD" |
| 10:05 | <TrueBrain> | on new URLs |
| 10:05 | <TrueBrain> | but .. that is not the title of the page :P |
| 10:05 | <andythenorth> | title of root is "OpenTTD | OpenTTD's Wiki" |
| 10:05 | <andythenorth> | maybe Google is parsing that |
| 10:05 | <andythenorth> | it usually respects page titles as set |
| 10:05 | <andythenorth> | meta descriptions get rewritten algorithmically |
| 10:06 | <andythenorth> | but title is normally what the author sets, for accessibility amongst other reasons |
| 10:06 | <TrueBrain> | it is the title of the old wiki |
| 10:06 | <andythenorth> | https://www.lockedownseo.com/google-can-rewrite-titles-descriptions/#:~:text=Adding%20the%20Brand%20Name,results%20with%20your%20home%20page. |
| 10:06 | <andythenorth> | yeah ok, so they do rewrite |
| 10:06 | <andythenorth> | clearly google doesn't rewrite *my* titles because I am awesome :D |
| 10:07 | <TrueBrain> | it seems that google noticed it was mostly the content of an older page |
| 10:07 | <TrueBrain> | changed the URL |
| 10:07 | <TrueBrain> | but not yet the metadata of it |
| 10:07 | <TrueBrain> | or something :) |
| 10:08 | <TrueBrain> | google for "site:wiki.openttd.org/en" and be surprised about the randomness |
| 10:08 | <TrueBrain> | I FOUND YOUR RANDOMNESS andythenorth ! |
| 10:08 | <andythenorth> | lol |
| 10:12 | <TrueBrain> | lol, I can see how many other websites link to the wiki |
| 10:12 | <TrueBrain> | that is funny |
| 10:12 | <TrueBrain> | #3 is Todo_list :P |
| 10:12 | <TrueBrain> | #4 is User:Zuu :D |
| 10:13 | <TrueBrain> | (from tt-forums, btw) |
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| 10:13 | <andythenorth> | frosch123 random now works reliably in articulated vehicles, (afaict, it's random) :) Thanks! |
| 10:15 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: so we finnally have our top 100? |
| 10:16 | <TrueBrain> | well, I gave you a top 100 already, but this is another top 100, yes |
| 10:16 | <TrueBrain> | 2cc-trains, newgrf, cheat, todo_list, main_page .. that is it, basically :P |
| 10:16 | <frosch123> | should we add redirects for these? |
| 10:17 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: i am so glad we added "zero all registers before each callback" some years ago :) |
| 10:18 | <TrueBrain> | top 30 externally linked: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/c5b8de22a6ece764cb9cb91614b2b52e |
| 10:18 | <TrueBrain> | NewGRF_development_tools is 90% from tt-wiki :P |
| 10:19 | <frosch123> | what are the numbers? |
| 10:19 | <TrueBrain> | there is a header ;) |
| 10:19 | <frosch123> | yes, but it makes no sense to me :) |
| 10:19 | <TrueBrain> | Target, the target URL |
| 10:19 | <TrueBrain> | Page, how many pages refer to it |
| 10:19 | <TrueBrain> | Incoming, how many domains |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | euh, my header is off, but you get the point |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | target, links, sites |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | is a better way of saying it :P |
| 10:20 | <frosch123> | ok, so because the old {{other_languages}} linked to the main page, it has 24k? |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | Main_Page, 17k comes from openttd.org :P |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | 5k from tt-forums |
| 10:20 | <TrueBrain> | 91 from reddit, and smaller numbers after |
| 10:21 | <frosch123> | so, how to add redirects? should truewiki gain a feature for that? |
| 10:21 | <TrueBrain> | I still wonder if it is worth it |
| 10:22 | <TrueBrain> | most of these numbers are generated by openttd.org itself, it seems |
| 10:22 | <TrueBrain> | Google found the wiki on an alternative URL, and indexed it .. lol .. I can fix taht .. |
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| 10:22 | <andythenorth> | maybe this should be an nml builtin? o_O https://github.com/andythenorth/iron-horse/blob/master/src/templates/procedures_alternative_var_random_bits.pynml |
| 10:23 | <andythenorth> | extensible nml, using procedures :P |
| 10:23 | <TrueBrain> | lol .. it even mentions URLs on openttd.org that haven't existed in years now |
| 10:24 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: do you need a cool name for your nml library? |
| 10:24 | <andythenorth> | nml.farm |
| 10:24 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/d62697df625bbb39615ace719598d9a2 <- this is Community page |
| 10:25 | <frosch123> | do we have 15k pages on openttd.org? |
| 10:25 | <frosch123> | no, only 1200 |
| 10:26 | <TrueBrain> | most of them are old URLs that really do not exist anymore |
| 10:26 | <frosch123> | no idea how to get to 16k links |
| 10:26 | <TrueBrain> | not sure when google considers a link REALLY death :P |
| 10:27 | <TrueBrain> | but it picked them up from the navigation bar on every news item etc |
| 10:27 | <TrueBrain> | those github.com hits, are all the forks of OpenTTD, basically |
| 10:27 | <andythenorth> | forks! |
| 10:27 | <andythenorth> | how rude! |
| 10:28 | <frosch123> | yes, but the jekyll website only 445 pages |
| 10:28 | <TrueBrain> | of that whole list ... only https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1162667&sid=4045e2a0b6be6c4ef4f91000ea2b4c7c#p1162667 was the first REAL hit |
| 10:28 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: it has the previous website crawled too, including all translations (which were not really translations) |
| 10:28 | <frosch123> | lol, translations :) |
| 10:28 | <TrueBrain> | basically, you can just ignore that openttd.org number honestly |
| 10:29 | <TrueBrain> | a page like 2cc_Trainset is used a bit more |
| 10:29 | <frosch123> | it's probably linked from some forum's user signature |
| 10:29 | <TrueBrain> | 4500 links from tt-forums, but tt-forums is indexed at least 3 times (3 different domains) |
| 10:30 | <TrueBrain> | owh, 6 different ways |
| 10:30 | <TrueBrain> | yes, a signature :) |
| 10:30 | <frosch123> | zuu has 4554 posts |
| 10:30 | <TrueBrain> | Purno, in a random case I opened |
| 10:30 | <frosch123> | so, 1579 links is kind of incomplete |
| 10:30 | <TrueBrain> | the reddit links are also funny |
| 10:31 | <TrueBrain> | https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/c71f86d75d7f2718dfb7265805f449a1 |
| 10:31 | <TrueBrain> | 2 URLs, but 6 hits :P |
| 10:31 | <TrueBrain> | so the numbers sound HUGE, but in reality .... |
| 10:32 | <TrueBrain> | and a lot of stale links ... |
| 10:32 | <TrueBrain> | https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=903868#p903868 <-this signature explains "Todo list" |
| 10:32 | <frosch123> | planetmaker: fix your signature! |
| 10:33 | <TrueBrain> | https://www.linguee.com/english-dutch/translation/15+game+levels.html <- this is also responsible for a lot of these hits |
| 10:33 | <frosch123> | i think i moved that page into the archive though :p |
| 10:33 | <TrueBrain> | ~20k sites .. not even counting the links |
| 10:33 | <frosch123> | what? 15 game levels? |
| 10:33 | <TrueBrain> | so I have a REALLY hard time finding legit cases |
| 10:34 | <frosch123> | ok, so still the same: wait for search engines to update. in 50 years check the log for 404s |
| 10:35 | <TrueBrain> | basically |
| 10:35 | <TrueBrain> | the logs from the server were a lot more useful :P |
| 10:35 | <TrueBrain> | not sure what Google thinks to add with these pages ... |
| 10:36 | <TrueBrain> | I guess now we wait for Google to process the sitemap or something |
| 10:42 | <TrueBrain> | Bing Webmaster services could not be reached :( |
| 10:42 | <TrueBrain> | seems I cannot do the same for Bing atm :P |
| 10:42 | <frosch123> | pff. i just took a look at bananas urls. the first one to wiki.openttd.org is a site that was already "deleted" on the old wiki |
| 10:42 | <frosch123> | lol, same for the second |
| 10:43 | <frosch123> | i guess same author |
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| 10:44 | <andythenorth> | bing is about 10% of my search traffic, and that's unusually high I'm told |
| 10:44 | <frosch123> | 3rd the same, 4th links to an overview page instead of a content-specific page... |
| 10:44 | <frosch123> | why are our users so stupid? |
| 10:44 | <andythenorth> | so we could wait for Bing to recover |
| 10:44 | <TrueBrain> | bing allows you to use CNAMEs to validate a domain .... but it doesn't seem to invalidate its cache ... |
| 10:44 | <andythenorth> | frosch123 because people? |
| 10:44 | <andythenorth> | same as "why can't andythenorth bit-shift correctly?" |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | what colour should tarpaulins be on cargo wagons? |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | CC is ugly, it blends with the vehicle |
| 10:45 | <frosch123> | whether-dependant |
| 10:45 | <TrueBrain> | "We did not detect verify.bing.com in the CNAME records for the host." |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | yes! |
| 10:45 | <TrueBrain> | ........ IT IS FUCKING TWATS |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | or like in Blitz, where there is different camo for temperate, snow, desert |
| 10:45 | <andythenorth> | Blitz is basically OpenTTD |
| 10:48 | <andythenorth> | hmm I could do tarpaulins in the poo brown-green colour |
| 10:48 | <andythenorth> | realism |
| 10:50 | <frosch123> | *weather, just in case |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | I figured :) |
| 10:51 | <andythenorth> | extensible nml vars for 'rain' |
| 10:51 | <TrueBrain> | Bing tells me the sitemap has 11 URLs :P |
| 10:51 | <TrueBrain> | not sure Bing, but that is a lie :D |
| 10:51 | <frosch123> | they probably estimate from the file size |
| 10:52 | <frosch123> | at ms, they need a few kib to store an url |
| 10:52 | <TrueBrain> | I am just going to close that window now |
| 10:53 | <TrueBrain> | guess Bing doesn't like the hreflang or what-was-it-called .. |
| 10:54 | <frosch123> | so 11 global.yaml link to something at openttd.org, i can fix 2, 6 were dead before or never existed, 3 we deleted independently from the wiki |
| 10:55 | <frosch123> | both rb and me linked to dev.openttd.org for one set each. the 3rd one links to noai.openttd.org, but replacing that with coop is just a different kind of dead link |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | what OpenTTD colour is the sheet on this wagon? :P https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/img/s/v-10/p336463390-4.jpg |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | oh it's CC_PALE_GREEN |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | ok |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | very close match |
| 10:58 | <frosch123> | mostly 24 to 31 |
| 10:58 | <frosch123> | maybe 88 to 95 |
| 11:01 | <frosch123> | oh, it's not even on coop |
| 11:01 | <frosch123> | maybe it never existed on noai.openttd.org, and the author just c&p some url, because they thought that was a requirement |
| 11:03 | <TrueBrain> | noai.openttd.org only ever served the documentation for NoAI |
| 11:03 | <TrueBrain> | (which it still does) |
| 11:03 | <TrueBrain> | URLs changed, but content-wise nothing changed |
| 11:04 | <frosch123> | we once hosted ais and ai libraries in hg on ottd |
| 11:04 | <TrueBrain> | on hg.openttd.org, yes |
| 11:04 | <frosch123> | http://noai.openttd.org/projects/show/lib-event <- so that was never a thing? |
| 11:04 | <TrueBrain> | not as far as I can remember ... but ... 13 years of development, I might be wrong |
| 11:04 | <frosch123> | https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=807077#p807077 <- there are tons of links of that form |
| 11:05 | <TrueBrain> | only developers ever had write-access on openttd.org |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | it might have been in the very early days of NoAI, but .. shrug |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | haven't exited for years at least |
| 11:07 | <TrueBrain> | last updated, 2009-08-05 |
| 11:08 | <TrueBrain> | so yeah, they once did exist |
| 11:09 | <TrueBrain> | script that was providing that ran up to 2018 :P |
| 11:09 | <TrueBrain> | it basically made every AI / Library upload to BaNaNaS available via another URL |
| 11:10 | <TrueBrain> | pretty sure that was not compliant with the ToS |
| 11:10 | <frosch123> | https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=50260 <- look, who's the annoying one? :) |
| 11:11 | <TrueBrain> | so yeah, I stand corrected, there was something on noai.openttd.org |
| 11:11 | <TrueBrain> | but that "projects" folder is nowhere to be found |
| 11:12 | <TrueBrain> | but I see you found the date it was deprecated :P |
| 11:12 | <+glx> | <andythenorth> maybe this should be an nml builtin? o_O https://github.com/andythenorth/iron-horse/blob/master/src/templates/procedures_alternative_var_random_bits.pynml <-- I don't understand the return part |
| 11:13 | <andythenorth> | glx is there a way to just return the checked value? |
| 11:13 | <andythenorth> | obvs. I could STORE_TEMP and read it later |
| 11:13 | <andythenorth> | but I wanted to yield the result to the caller |
| 11:13 | <+glx> | you mean computed value ? |
| 11:13 | <andythenorth> | yes |
| 11:14 | <+glx> | just retrun |
| 11:14 | <+glx> | *return |
| 11:14 | <+glx> | without nothing else |
| 11:15 | <+glx> | "return; returns the computed value directly as a callback result. Note that the maximum value for callback results is 32511 (0x7EFF)." <-- from wiki about switches |
| 11:15 | * | andythenorth tests |
| 11:15 | * | andythenorth never read how switches work, I just cargo cult them :) |
| 11:16 | <andythenorth> | thanks glx |
| 11:22 | <frosch123> | https://github.com/OpenTTD/BaNaNaS/pull/71/files <- 2 of 11 urls fixed. the rest was already dead before the new wiki |
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| 12:23 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Berbe commented on pull request #7286: Add #2155: newheightmapgame command https://git.io/JkoZD |
| 12:26 | <DorpsGek_III> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Berbe updated pull request #7286: Add #2155: newheightmapgame command https://git.io/fhNZl |
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| 12:57 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: it tells me the commit is out-of-date |
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| 13:02 | <frosch123> | that's a harsh check |
| 13:02 | <frosch123> | there is only one more commit in master, and it does not touch the same files |
| 13:02 | <TrueBrain> | normally it is better at indicating that it is a merge-free commit |
| 13:04 | <frosch123> | i disabled that requirement |
| 13:04 | <frosch123> | it's silly if it works like that |
| 13:04 | <TrueBrain> | it normally doesn't, honestly |
| 13:04 | <TrueBrain> | it detected something odd, it seems |
| 13:06 | <frosch123> | the explanation of that setting says, "This ensures pull requests targeting a matching branch have been tested with the latest code" |
| 13:06 | <TrueBrain> | did they change that recently or something? |
| 13:06 | <frosch123> | so they want to test whether changing apples breaks any oranges |
| 13:07 | <frosch123> | it's not enabled on openttd |
| 13:07 | <frosch123> | it's not enabled on nml |
| 13:07 | <TrueBrain> | https://github.blog/changelog/2020-11-16-packages-organization-admins-access-to-containers/ <- they finally fixed this :D |
| 13:07 | <frosch123> | so, was it freshly enabled on bananas? |
| 13:07 | <TrueBrain> | maybe we never noticed it was enabled? |
| 13:08 | <TrueBrain> | normally we don't approve PRs, we just use our admin powers to merge :P |
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| 14:08 | * | andythenorth draws trains |
| 14:13 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: duckduck also works for site:wiki.openttd.org/en |
| 14:13 | <frosch123> | it may even make sense to make the search language specific |
| 14:13 | <TrueBrain> | yup |
| 14:13 | <TrueBrain> | was planning to do so :) |
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| 15:49 | <andythenorth> | too much democracy! https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1238354#p1238354 |
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