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02:27<TrueBrain>hmmm ... dynamoDB is out of capacity ... master server is failing hard :P
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02:28<TrueBrain>we have 3 times more traffic on the masterserver ...
02:29<_dp_>eh? why?
02:29<TrueBrain>no clue; it is not like there are more servers
02:29<_dp_>and no more players it seems...
02:30<TrueBrain>the dynamoDB traffic scales with servers
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02:30<TrueBrain>started 4 hours ago
02:30<andythenorth>yo
02:33<TrueBrain>for now I increased capacity on the DynamoDB
02:33<TrueBrain>but that means we now exceed our "free tier" :P
02:34<TrueBrain>it is possible because it couldn't update servers, the servers come back quicker, causing more pressure on the master server ..
02:34<TrueBrain>I am going with that assumption for now, and we will validate that tonight :)
02:37<TrueBrain>I love that scaling is near-instant :P
02:38<TrueBrain>in other good news, Steam approved our Game Build
02:38<TrueBrain>well, they only checked Windows, as due to Corona, they cannot check macOS
02:38<TrueBrain>lol
02:38<TrueBrain>so it seems that on the 14th of Feb it will show our "planned release" date :)
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02:48<_dp_>what's the proper way to hide element completely in the ui? WWT_PANEL seems to reserve space even if the current pane is empty
03:00<TrueBrain>I think the master-server problem is because someone has been announcing his server a lot in a very short period of time .. like .. a crashloop or something
03:01<TrueBrain>guess it needs an IP-throttle or something
03:02<_dp_>crash loop huh
03:02<_dp_>hope it wasn't me xD
03:03<TrueBrain>in the massive amount of logs this generated, it is hard to see what happened exactly ... I have to download the logs tonight, I guess
03:03<TrueBrain>and see in detail what it was doing
03:03<TrueBrain>and let's hope it now recovers to a normal level soon, as I really have to go :P
03:05<andythenorth>\o/
03:06<TrueBrain>another piece of the puzzle: possibly the TTL cleanup happened, as it just threw out 40+ servers that were no longer online ...
03:06<TrueBrain>well, it is no longer throttled .. tonight more; byeezzzz
03:08<_dp_>hm, quite a lot of advertisement on citymania but seems normal
03:09<_dp_>well, except when it was failing and retries piled in
03:13<_dp_>grep on citymania logs if that helps: https://pastebin.com/crXcCNmu
03:13<_dp_>Sx after DEBUG is the number of the server
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06:38<_dp_>crazy idea of the day: locomotion as a mod to openttd :p
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07:14<_dp_>hm... esimated cost of changing game settings is 0 :p
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08:11<Samu>hi
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08:51<supermop_Home>hi
08:55<Eddi|zuHause>_dp_: is that not correct?
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11:24<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl opened pull request #8638: Feature: [GS] Allow non-question type windows to have no buttons https://git.io/JtEZG
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11:33<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8637: Fix: [CMake] Language files should depend on english.txt https://git.io/Jt005
12:36<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/JtEWD
12:36<+glx>that's why I noticed the missing dep on english.txt ;)
12:36<LordAro>:)
12:37<LordAro>int64 args_array[] = { (int64)(size_t)dirname.c_str() };
12:37<LordAro>wut.
12:37<LordAro>that's disgusting
12:37<+glx>raw string
12:38<LordAro>is that really how string parameters work?
12:38<+glx>yes it works that way
12:38<LordAro>that's disappointing
12:39<+glx>unless I use SetDParamStr()
12:44<+glx>hmm I used the same way as in FormatString(), but I guess SetDParamStr will be cleaner
12:53<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/JtEWD
12:53<+glx>easier to read now
12:53<LordAro>:)
12:54<LordAro>is it worth '..' being a parameter at all?
12:54<+glx>I think in FormatString() we use the "weird" way to not mess with caller provided args
12:55<+glx>about '..' being a parameter I though about RTL languages
12:57<+glx>in untranslated version it looks weird, for some reason layouter draws it "(Parent directory) .." while it's still "dir\ (Directory)" for others
12:58<+glx>and drive letters are drawn ":C"
12:58<+glx>worst thing I noticed is display of current dir on top of the window, it's drawn "\D:\dir1\dir2"
12:59<LordAro>ew
12:59<+glx>at least for both added strings translators will be able to manage that
13:01<+glx>I guess we'll need a report from concerned people to know how it should look :)
13:04<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick opened pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElw
13:05<Samu>that kind of PR that does nothing
13:06<+glx>IIRC translators can use text direction markers if needed
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13:13<+glx>Samu: code style fixing is not nothing :)
13:13<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElA
13:16<TrueBrain>glx: if you merge that, make sure to change it into a Codechange; pretty sure it is not fixing anything. Makes life of who-ever writes the changelog ever so slightly easier
13:16<+glx>yeah rewording the commit message was intended
13:17<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] DorpsGek pushed 1 commits to master https://git.io/JtE8U
13:17<@DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
13:18<+glx>Samu: nothing to add to the PR ? ;)
13:18<Samu>can't spot anything else
13:18<Samu>for now at least
13:20<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtE8n
13:20<+glx>no hurry to merge, it's not vital ;) and if you find more you can add them
13:21<+glx>as you often look in many parts of the code
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13:28<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8617: Change: Convert .md to .rtf/.txt for installers https://git.io/JtE81
13:29<TrueBrain>I just don't understand converting Markdown to ".txt" :P But I fully understand that might be a bias on my side, so I would love another developers perspective
13:29<TrueBrain>to me it is like: we have this human readable format, lets convert it to another human readable format .... :P
13:30<+glx>well markdown is human readable, but you don't "see" the formatting
13:30<TrueBrain>neither you do in .txt
13:30<TrueBrain>that is what I mean :)
13:30<TrueBrain>nothing changes :P
13:30<+glx>ha yeah for txt it's almost useless
13:30<TrueBrain>converting to rtf, PDF, Word, .. sure, I can get that
13:31<TrueBrain>but I know I work in the world of IT mostly with nerds etc .. so I also understand I am biased :)
13:31<+glx>but I can understand some people not knowing they can open a .md in notepad
13:31<TrueBrain>pandoc doesn't even bother changing the Markdown [text](url) format
13:31<TrueBrain>well, the PR changes it to rtf for Windows
13:32<TrueBrain>so we solved that issue :P
13:33<TrueBrain>how did we get from 80 to 100 issues in a month .. pfft
13:33<+glx>easy ;)
13:34<TrueBrain>owh, yeah, people making 4 issues for a single problem
13:34<TrueBrain>the black/white approach :)
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13:35<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick dismissed a review for pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElA
13:35<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElw
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13:38<+glx>I knew it ;)
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13:39<+glx>Samu: and you can add as many commits as you need, it will be squashed at the end :)
13:39<Samu>ok, :p
13:41<frosch123>i do not understand info@ anymore
13:41<TrueBrain>https://gist.github.com/TrueBrain/236abc053f30c221ccae21896a4e07a7 <- I will ask 2TallTyler if this helps him, but what do you guys think?
13:41<frosch123>since the steam thing started, i can no longer distinguish between pure spam, and weird people
13:42<TrueBrain>you blame Steam, but is that fair? :P
13:42<TrueBrain>the one mail, sure
13:43<TrueBrain>but we had some weird ass mails anyway :D
13:43<frosch123>well, now we get real mail from real people, but they think we are a company
13:43<TrueBrain>blame that on the certificate for macOS :P
13:43<TrueBrain>:D :D
13:43<+glx><TrueBrain> but we had some weird ass mails anyway :D <-- yeah and I sometimes am in CC
13:43<frosch123>while previously "we have a business opportunity" was always fake
13:44<LordAro>TrueBrain: xkcd#37, etc
13:44<TrueBrain>I btw emailed Steam with: wtf happened to the release date? I enter 1 april, you say 1 feb, but you don't allow us to release before the 14th feb .. what give?! :P
13:45<TrueBrain>LordAro: did I use a hyphen? :)
13:45<TrueBrain>not sure if it is any better that I did not use a hyphen honestly
13:45<TrueBrain>in fact, pretty sure I hope we did not get any ass mail :P
13:46<LordAro>:p
13:47<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElw
13:47<TrueBrain>so, right, DynamoDB said BOOOMMM last night .. lets see if I can find out why
13:48<TrueBrain>I also know what I am going to do about the ads on the master server
13:48<TrueBrain>but first ... why on earth do we have this many more advertisements all of a sudden
13:48<LordAro>banhammer?
13:48<TrueBrain>they use dynamic IPs, so it is not trivial .. but I think I found an elegant way :)
13:49<TrueBrain>but I don't know if it is related, but the ad has changed MO
13:51<TrueBrain>we don't appear to have many more servers online (I think?)
13:51<_dp_>MO?
13:51<TrueBrain>Modus Operandi
13:51<TrueBrain>They now have 1 client active on all servers (and updated to 1.10.3)
13:51<FLHerne>TrueBrain: But the alternative is people writing four problems in a single issue, and that's worse
13:52<_dp_>idk, they seem to have all kinds of versions
13:52<_dp_>1.8.0, 1.10.1
13:53<TrueBrain>they didn't have 1.10.3 earlier, and not 1 client active :P
13:53<TrueBrain>anyway ... how to trace where this extra traffic is coming from .. hmm
13:54<TrueBrain>tnx for your server logs _dp_
13:54<TrueBrain>shows that everything is behaving normal
13:55<TrueBrain>for normal people :P
13:55<TrueBrain>https://pasteboard.co/JMwUadJ.png <- this is btw what happened
13:56<TrueBrain>red line is provisioned capacity
13:56<TrueBrain>you can see where I scaled up, and how much I had to scale up
13:56<LordAro>that is quite a lot
13:56<TrueBrain>that would be equal to 5 times more servers, the amount of traffic
13:59<TrueBrain>well, lets start with a redeployment, maybe that magically fixes things or something
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14:03<TrueBrain>stupid aiohttp still hasn't put out a new release? Pfft
14:03<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8617: Change: Convert .md to .rtf/.txt for installers https://git.io/JtE4A
14:07<TrueBrain>pip finally does decent version checks ... this will be painful :P
14:07<LordAro>ah yes, i heard of this
14:08<TrueBrain>The conflict is caused by:
14:08<TrueBrain> The user requested smmap==4.0.0
14:08<TrueBrain> gitdb 4.0.5 depends on smmap<4 and >=3.0.1
14:08<LordAro>they also put it in their final release of pip for py27
14:08<TrueBrain>shit like that
14:08<LordAro>which broke a lot of projects
14:08<TrueBrain>well, they were warned to upgrade :P
14:09<LordAro>true, but this was a massive hulking enterprise project that my friend was complaining about :p
14:10<TrueBrain>even ... more reason they should already taken care of it :P :P
14:10<TrueBrain>hmm .. do we update pip in the Dockerfiles
14:10<TrueBrain>hmm
14:10<TrueBrain>I guess that should be perfectly fine
14:12<TrueBrain>pyup and me are not going to be friends for long, honestly
14:12<TrueBrain>really need a better alternative .. which doesn't make 1 PR per change :P
14:13<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain updated pull request #81: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0Lz
14:17<_dp_>are those really stolen trees on the main page?
14:18<TrueBrain>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1536610/OpenTTD/ <- they fixed the release date \o/ :D
14:19<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain opened pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on steam https://git.io/JtEBW
14:20<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #24: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0qZ
14:22<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain commented on pull request #81: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEBB
14:22<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain commented on pull request #24: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEB0
14:23<Wolf01>@seen andythenorth
14:23<@DorpsGek>Wolf01: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 11 hours, 17 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <andythenorth> \o/
14:29<TrueBrain>and look, our first guide: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1536610/guides/#scrollTop=0 :D
14:30<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #53: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0Lx
14:31<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain commented on pull request #53: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEB1
14:31<frosch123>_dp_: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1089044#p1089044 <- "don't overlook the trees"
14:33<FLHerne>Would it be a good idea to add a "Transport Tycoon Deluxe is a trademark of <whoever the heck owns it now>" footnote somewhere on that page?
14:33<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain updated pull request #41: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0tG
14:33<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain commented on pull request #41: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEB9
14:34<Wolf01><TrueBrain> and look, our first guide <- and one can't vote it because doesn't have the game... wtf is wrong with steam
14:34<TrueBrain>they consider it impossible that you have any knowledge of the game as you don't have it :P
14:35<TrueBrain>prevents trolls
14:35<TrueBrain>FLHerne: don't you only have to mention that if you are selling or advertising it?
14:36<_dp_>frosch123, so?
14:36<TrueBrain>https://trademarkfactory.com/faq/can-i-mention-someone-elses-trademark-on-my-website (random site on the internet :P)
14:37<Wolf01> <frosch123> _dp_: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1089044#p1089044 <- "don't overlook the trees" <- 1st picture, what a nice view, 2nd one wow so relaxing, 3rd one MY EYES BURN!!!!
14:38<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain updated pull request #19: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0qV
14:39<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain commented on pull request #19: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEBA
14:39<FLHerne>TrueBrain: My concern is that people often assume that "OpenTTD" expands to "Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe", I've seen that spelling in several past reviews/magazine articles
14:39<frosch123>_dp_: i am not someone who would recognise the trees by their pixels, but given the screeenshot author, it's most likely "stolen trees"
14:39<FLHerne>And on the unofficial emscripten site that existed at one time
14:39<frosch123>_dp_: all screenshots in the banner are winning entries of "screenshot of the month"
14:40<TrueBrain>FLHerne: but it doesn't. So why reference the trademark? That would only confuse people more? (honest questions btw, to be clear :D)
14:40<FLHerne>TrueBrain: The page already mentions "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" several times
14:40<TrueBrain>yes, but in a non-trademark way
14:40<_dp_>it's pretty easy to recognize stolen trees because all other trees look awful :p
14:40<TrueBrain>mentioning that the trademark of something belongs to another, gives the impression we are selling their product
14:40<TrueBrain>which we are not
14:41<TrueBrain>so mentioning it has a counter-productive result, I think; at least from a legal point of view, if I get this trademark stuff right :D
14:41<FLHerne>Yes, but it seems confusing to have "OpenTTD is a remake of ... Transport Tycoon Deluxe" and not make it clear that it *doesn't* technically expand to that
14:42<TrueBrain>that sentence is on most places that talk about OpenTTD
14:42<frosch123>_dp_: aren't they way too big?
14:42<TrueBrain>We have always been clear we are called OpenTTD .. we even corrected several news-outlets there :)
14:42<FLHerne>Yes, which is why so many outsiders make that mistake
14:43<TrueBrain>but mentioning the trademark is not going to fix that
14:43<milek7_>maybe 'OpenTTD is not endrosed or affilated in any way with <ttd trademark owner>'?
14:43<TrueBrain>I think that just wakes up sleeping dogs, honestly
14:44<FLHerne>The natural reading of "Open<acronym> is blah blah <capitalized expansion of acronym>" is that it stands for that
14:44<TrueBrain>I get what you are saying FLHerne ; I just don't think mentioning the trademark resolves that :)
14:44<TrueBrain>in fact, I think that works counterproductive :P
14:45<_dp_>frosch123, look fine to me :p
14:45<FLHerne>What milek7_ said then, or both
14:45<frosch123>i would leave "talking about trademarks" to lawyers
14:45<frosch123>i don't think anyone here can make a useful sentence with it :)
14:45<TrueBrain>everywhere I have read in the last 10 minutes make it clear: mention trademarks if you sell or advertise their goods
14:45<FLHerne>"Transport Tycoon Deluxe is a trademark of <whoever>. OpenTTD is not affiliated with <whoever>"
14:46<FLHerne>Yes, and my worry is that the page makes a strong implication that it's selling their goods
14:47<FLHerne>It repeatedly mentions the Transport Tycoon trademark and games, without ever making a clear statement that it's not legally associated with them
14:47<TrueBrain>just for my understanding: what changes with going on Steam? As in, both our wiki and wikipedia has been mentioning it in this form for 16 years now, so I wonder how you see this differently (again, honest question)
14:48<FLHerne>People actually look at Steam :p
14:49<TrueBrain>pretty sure people look at wikipedia too :)
14:49<TrueBrain>anyway, "don't mention trademark if no lawyer is involved" seems to be the general advise
14:49<FLHerne>Less flippantly, Steam is primarily a commercial-games-publisher platform, you kind of expect that stuff sold through it is 'official'
14:49<FLHerne>No-one cares if Wikipedia says it
14:50<TrueBrain>so to step passed that issue, I understand that you might think having OpenTTD and "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" in close proximity can lead people to the wrong conclusion
14:50<TrueBrain>we can, without mentioning trademark, of course add a line to make that more clear
14:50<FLHerne>Wikipedia is written by random people, you can't hold OTTD responsible for third-party descriptions
14:50<TrueBrain>we say it on our wiki, even our website
14:50<TrueBrain>I mean, in your face, on www.openttd.org, is "OpenTTD is an open source simulation game based upon Transport Tycoon Deluxe"
14:50<FLHerne>It causes confusion there too
14:50<FLHerne>Repeatedly
14:51<TrueBrain>but okay, we can debate that; it is a matter of opinion. More useful, what we can do to solve it
14:51<TrueBrain>mentioning trademark is not solving it (in fact, possibly making it worse)
14:51<FLHerne>As you say, "we even corrected several news-outlets there"
14:51<TrueBrain>but we can mention it in 10000 different ways
14:51<TrueBrain>so lets focus on that ;)
14:51<Samu>going steam = demise of openttd
14:51<Samu>but ok
14:52<FLHerne>Depends how up-front it needs to be
14:52<FLHerne>Very up-front would be adding something to the first paragraph
14:52<TrueBrain>like?
14:53<FLHerne>"It is an open-source remake and expansion of the 1995 Chris Sawyer video game Transport Tycoon Deluxe, but not affiliated with that game's publishers"
14:53<FLHerne>Probably not quite the right wording
14:53<FLHerne>But that kind of line
14:53<TrueBrain>so who can find the right wording? :D
14:53<FLHerne>Less up-front would be to add a note under "Free and open source" at the bottom
14:54<TrueBrain>(I suck at english when it comes to these texts, so don't look at me :P)
14:54<TrueBrain>current text is not written by me, at all :D
14:54<frosch123>_dp_: actually, the real question is: is that screenshot made with ttdp :p
14:54<FLHerne>"OpenTTD is free and open-source software, licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2.0. OpenTTD is under ongoing development. OpenTTD is not affiliated with the original game's publishers, and "TTD" should not be expanded to "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" which is a trademark of <whoever>"
14:55<FLHerne>I think I prefer this one
14:55<TrueBrain>mentioning something should not be done might not be the best way of wording it
14:55<FLHerne>does not expand to?
14:55<FLHerne>'does not stand for'?
14:55<TrueBrain>OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything
14:55<Samu>rename the game
14:56<FLHerne>Well, "TTD" kind of does
14:56<TrueBrain>"OpenTTD is not affiliated with the original game's publishers and OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything."? :D
14:56<TrueBrain>"OpenTTD is not affiliated with the publishers of Transport Tycoon Deluxe and OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything."? :D
14:56<FLHerne>Not sure if first one is clear enough
14:56<FLHerne>Second one is kind of funny
14:56<TrueBrain>its a weird thing to say, honestly
14:57<FLHerne>It's self-consciously weird, which is...ok?
14:57<TrueBrain>"OpenTTD is free and open-source software, licensed under the GNU General Public License version 2.0. OpenTTD is under ongoing development. OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything."
14:57<FLHerne>It's a weird and silly distinction
14:57<TrueBrain>to be clear, pretty sure no judge will rule in our favour
14:57<TrueBrain>so for me this is ... "lood om oud ijzer"
14:58<FLHerne>"OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything, and in particular not of "Transport Tycoon Deluxe" which is a trademark of <whoever>?"
14:58<TrueBrain>euh .. what is the english saying
14:58<FLHerne>I think you might be right really
14:58<TrueBrain>so I am all with you if we can add anything to avoids people calling is Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe
14:58<TrueBrain>but making it all legaly and shit .. I doubt that flies :)
14:58<Samu>rename the game
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14:59<TrueBrain>wow, so many typos in 2 sentences, insane .. what-ever, it is late :P
14:59<FLHerne>Quick, ask andy for a silly name
14:59<Samu>try to find clones of OpenTTD in china
14:59<TrueBrain>I now really want to add "OpenTTD is not an abbreviation of anything", just because it sounds so lovely silly and tongue cheek remark :P
14:59<FLHerne>Pixel Cargo Game Improved
14:59<FLHerne>TrueBrain: +1
15:00<Samu>Open Cargo Transportation Sandbox
15:00<Samu>lel
15:01<TrueBrain>FLHerne: it will be there next time I publish the store page :P
15:01<_dp_>yeye, we even have TTD in capital letters because it's definitely not an abbreviation of anything :p
15:02<TrueBrain>_dp_: whistles innocent :)
15:02<TrueBrain>as I said, it won't fly with any judge, I assume
15:02<TrueBrain>but we are for sure not called Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe, people really should stop doing that
15:03<TrueBrain>I configured pyup to update eints, but it just refuses to do so
15:03<TrueBrain>ugh
15:03<TrueBrain>pyup was really good .. but become more and more ... mediocre ...
15:04<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain updated pull request #42: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0ta
15:04<TrueBrain>so who wants the boring honor of reviewing 6 update PRs?
15:04<Samu>Need For Speed World revival, from what I read, got a special permission from EA to continue its online services
15:05<Samu>without EA being involved
15:05<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain commented on pull request #42: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEE8
15:06<Samu>not really sure of the whole story, but they're getting away with it, servers are still online, 2 years after
15:06<TrueBrain>https://github.com/TrueBrain/dashboard shows which repos have PRs open .. the ones with "1 open" all need a review :)
15:07<Samu>and the game is full of Copyrights, they're also adding more car brands, im just not sure how legal this is
15:07<Samu>brands exist in real life
15:07<Samu>point is, the servers are still running
15:08<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-api] LordAro approved pull request #81: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEE9
15:08<Samu>they wanna call it Soapbox Race World, but everybody just knows it's Need For Speed World
15:08<Samu>https://soapboxrace.world/
15:09<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] LordAro approved pull request #53: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEEH
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15:09<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-server] LordAro approved pull request #41: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEEQ
15:09<TrueBrain>w00p, a volunteer :D
15:09<Samu>they have at the bottom this notice:
15:09<LordAro>i'm just pressing approve
15:09<LordAro>:p
15:09<Samu>This project is not affiliated with Electronic Arts or the Need for Speed™ brand in any way, shape or form. Need for Speed is a trademark of Electronic Arts.
15:10<TrueBrain>lol, and your approval even isn't enough in some cases it seems :P
15:10<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro approved pull request #42: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEEF
15:10<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #53: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0Lx
15:10<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #41: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0tG
15:11<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #42: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0ta
15:11<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server] LordAro approved pull request #24: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEEh
15:12<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain merged pull request #24: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0qZ
15:12<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server-web] LordAro approved pull request #19: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/JtEuv
15:13<TrueBrain>and the last one is most interesting LordAro .. it is not another type of update! :P
15:13<TrueBrain>-not
15:16<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain commented on pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEuG
15:17<_dp_>on a completely unrelated note, starship seems to be launching in about 10 mins
15:17<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-api] TrueBrain merged pull request #81: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0Lz
15:17<TrueBrain>Starship?
15:17<TrueBrain>btw, Dyson Sphere Program is awesome :D
15:17<FLHerne>Big shiny rocket
15:17<FLHerne>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfHqbahPKpY
15:17<TrueBrain>cheers
15:18<LordAro>surprised there's no official livestream
15:18<FLHerne>(yes, they have a backup big shiny rocket for when this one blows up like the last one)
15:18<FLHerne>For scale, it's 9m wide and about 50m tall
15:19<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server-web] TrueBrain merged pull request #19: Scheduled monthly dependency update for February https://git.io/Jt0qV
15:20<FLHerne>Big american trucks for scale: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es_sBXgXcAIPJhH?format=jpg&name=orig
15:21<Samu>who did the review for the code about group gui? there's some weird stuff there
15:21<Samu>const Vehicle *v = nullptr;
15:21<TrueBrain>you want a pitchfork with that?
15:22<Samu>(random code what to do with v)
15:22<Samu>then suddenly
15:22<Samu>if (v) { do stuff }
15:22<milek7>Samu: seems fine?
15:22<Samu>if (v) ?
15:22<Samu>it's really weird
15:22<LordAro>Samu: link to line?
15:23<Samu>753, group_gui.cpp
15:26<frosch123>TrueBrain: is valve done with the review?
15:26<TrueBrain>frosch123: yup
15:26<TrueBrain>all green, set to release on 1st of April :)
15:26<TrueBrain>hence the news post :D
15:26<frosch123>yes, exactly why i am asking :)
15:26<TrueBrain>:D
15:26<TrueBrain>I didn't want to post before it was all green, but clearly we think the same there :D
15:27<TrueBrain>their game review process is funny btw .. "we didn't do macOS because covid" :)
15:27<TrueBrain>it is good they check if games are actually .. you know .. games
15:27<frosch123>how does release on 1st april work? do we tag/build on 31 march? or does 1.10.3 become available for some hours?
15:28<TrueBrain>I planned it for 12:00 GMT on the 1st of April
15:28<TrueBrain>I can delay that till 20:00 or something
15:28<TrueBrain>so my idea was to just release it on the 1st, and by then it should auto-publish on Steam too :P
15:28<TrueBrain>(I have yet to write that part, but .. it should be fine before that time)
15:29<frosch123>i think the "someone else is asking money for ottd on some store" is weird to put into a newspost
15:31<frosch123>stating it as "others put it on stores, updating at random times" would be a positive statement
15:31<TrueBrain>good point
15:33<frosch123>who knows, maybe it was CS :p
15:34<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:34<TrueBrain>how about this?
15:34<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:34<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:34<TrueBrain>ugh, proof-read-before-commit
15:35<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/nml] LordAro merged pull request #187: Fix/silence warning from flake8-bugbear. https://git.io/Jt4VY
15:35<TrueBrain>last one :P
15:35<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:36<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:36<TrueBrain>I lied :P
15:36<frosch123>what was the magic word? --more ?
15:37<TrueBrain>HTML comment "more"
15:37<frosch123><!-- more -->
15:37<TrueBrain>but in this post, that is a bit annoying .. as the important part is halfway down the news post :P
15:37<TrueBrain>I wouldn't know where to add "more" in this post :P
15:37<frosch123>isn't the title enough? :p
15:38<TrueBrain>basically what you are saying is: you wrote too much
15:38<TrueBrain>fineeeeeee :D
15:38<frosch123>after "but times are changing, and so is our hair"
15:40<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
15:40<TrueBrain>okay, added an extra sentence, how about this?
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15:42<TrueBrain>I did not mention the release date in the first sentence .. not sure that is wise
15:42<TrueBrain>but it is funny :P
15:42<TrueBrain>it is mentioned on the Steam page anyway
15:43<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain created new tag: 2.0.1 https://git.io/JtEz6
15:44<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.1.1 https://git.io/JtEzP
15:44<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-web] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.8 https://git.io/JtEzD
15:44<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/master-server] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.0.9 https://git.io/JtEzy
15:44<TrueBrain>2 more tags to go after these are deployed ...
15:45<TrueBrain>it is easier, monthly updates, it is still boring as fuck :P
15:45<LordAro>automate it! :p
15:45<TrueBrain>would require end-to-end checks ...
15:45<TrueBrain>not impossible, but that requires automating OpenTTD itself
15:45<LordAro>hehe
15:46<TrueBrain>not impossible with console commands honestly
15:46<TrueBrain>so yeah, that is possible
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15:46<TrueBrain>wuth, they are still fighting?
15:46<LordAro>oops
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15:47<TrueBrain>I was sure I fixed that .. sorry about that
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15:48<TrueBrain>Cannot believe that happened AGAIN :P
15:49<TrueBrain>@whoami
15:49<@DorpsGek>TrueBrain: TrueBrain
15:49<TrueBrain>can you behave now?
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15:50<TrueBrain>funny enough, it tols me this 10 times in 3 seconds: "WARNING Refusing to send GHOST more than once every 60 seconds."
15:50<TrueBrain>clearly, it did not :P
15:50<milek7>bot went rogue? :P
15:53<TrueBrain>and it now refuses to talk in this channel, that is also funny :D
15:56<LordAro>@oi, you
15:57<TrueBrain>let me just restart it, honestly
15:57<TrueBrain>the logs also got corrupted .. seems both wanted to write what we wrote while they went crazy :D
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15:57<TrueBrain>the idea was that never more than one was alive ... but I clearly failed to do that properly
15:59<TrueBrain>okay, a restart of MasterServer did not help anything .. hmm ... means I need to add some debug statements to figure out what it is doing
15:59<TrueBrain>or maybe just metrics
16:01<frosch123>how much data is it to log every received advertisement?
16:01<TrueBrain>300 servers, announcement every 15 minutes, so 4 per hour, 1200 entries, I would guestimate
16:02<TrueBrain>make it 2000
16:02<frosch123>i would claim it's a single server causing the problem, so that may help find it
16:02<TrueBrain>hmm .. DorpsGek is still not announcing here
16:02<TrueBrain>wtf
16:02<frosch123>maybe someone patched fast-forward for servers, and increased the interval to 5 seconds :p
16:03<TrueBrain>AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'decode'
16:03<TrueBrain>right, guess I should fix DorpsGek first
16:03<TrueBrain>btw, frosch123 , any other feedback on the news post?
16:05<frosch123>content is fine. i would have used different prepositons in various places, but that's english' problem :p
16:05<frosch123>oh dear, you copied the "hair" thing :/
16:06<TrueBrain>it was funny! :P
16:06<TrueBrain>and please feel free to correct any of these
16:07<TrueBrain>(the PR is made from a branch in OpenTTD/website, so you can just edit it if you don't mind :D)
16:08<frosch123>did you use the webeditor?
16:08<TrueBrain>yes
16:11<TrueBrain>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TTrueBrain opened pull request #43: Two bugs that appeared after the last bump https://git.io/JtEgd
16:11<TrueBrain>TTTTTTTruebrain
16:11<LordAro>wut
16:11<TrueBrain>(copy/paste error, nothing to worry about :P)
16:11<LordAro>oh, it was you :p
16:12<+glx>someone used @say ?
16:12<TrueBrain>you think people can use @say on me?
16:12<TrueBrain>brrr
16:12<+glx>oh silly me, I though it was DorpsGek
16:12<TrueBrain>now the next release is also going to cause a bot-fight, but lets see if I can be clever about that :D
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16:16<TrueBrain>that was a bit nicer :P
16:17<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] frosch123 updated pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
16:17<TrueBrain>tada!
16:17<TrueBrain>I did not fix the other problem sufficiently, but okay, for another time
16:18<TrueBrain>thank you frosch123 :)
16:18<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] frosch123 approved pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtE23
16:19<TrueBrain>text in the comment is okay?
16:19<frosch123>i would also add a "on" there :p
16:19<TrueBrain>edit it plzzz :D
16:19<frosch123>but no idea, blame english :p
16:20<TrueBrain>ah, I had that initially, but removed it as it felt wrong :P
16:20<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] SamuXarick updated pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtElw
16:20<frosch123>maybe it's wrong now :)
16:20<TrueBrain>well, guess I have a ton of social media stuff to do in a sec :D
16:21<frosch123>duplicating the entire news history into a youtube community discussion with polls on each?
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16:22<TrueBrain>go for it :P
16:23<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain merged pull request #190: Add: News about OpenTTD on Steam https://git.io/JtEBW
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16:32<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain created new tag: 1.4.16 https://git.io/JtEav
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16:58<TrueBrain>okay, I did all the socials
16:58<TrueBrain>it is now official
16:58<TrueBrain>let the shitstorm begin :P
16:58<LordAro>:o
16:59<TrueBrain>yeah ... this has a high chance of blowing up :P
16:59<TrueBrain>but ... we have to go through that some day :P
17:00<TrueBrain>it is already retweeted more than the 1.11 beta annoucement
17:00<TrueBrain>right .. I don't have hackernews ...
17:00<TrueBrain>the only one missing really .. well .. what-ever :P
17:00<LordAro>you don't have to fully manage the social medias :p
17:01<LordAro>some of it you can let other people share :p
17:01<TrueBrain>:D
17:05<TrueBrain>frosch123: well, indeed, a single IP doing a shitstorm of REGISTERs
17:06<TrueBrain>4 every second or so
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17:07<TrueBrain>now to find out how to contact that person
17:09<TrueBrain>for now, an IP ban (AWS-wide)
17:10<LordAro>TrueBrain: is that the master-server traffic?
17:10<TrueBrain>yes
17:10<LordAro>how odd
17:11<TrueBrain>I think his server is cycling
17:11<TrueBrain>but that is just a wild guess, honestly
17:13<frosch123>current theory: game says "restart in year 3000". in-game date is "2999-12-31"
17:13<frosch123>so it probably runs in a cycle: load savegame on 2999-12-31. run a day, exit, repeat
17:14<TrueBrain>yeah ... that fits perfectly with what I am seeing honestly
17:15<TrueBrain>mostly, looking at the server in question etc, it doesn't seem like a deliberate thing
17:15<TrueBrain>now the question .. is this something we should fix in OpenTTD
17:15<TrueBrain>or consider it so rare, that it doesn't matter
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17:17<TrueBrain>wow, that IP ban did its job for sure
17:17<TrueBrain>https://pasteboard.co/JMydYNa.png
17:17<+glx>immediate drop
17:18<TrueBrain>right, let me minimize the IP ban to the master-server port only
17:18<LordAro>nice.
17:24<TrueBrain>crazy how many people don't take 1th of April serious
17:25<TrueBrain>12 years later, and people still think we are joking around :P
17:25<Timberwolf>Maybe this is the solution to the issue tracker problem. Gate the Create Issue button behind "on what day of the year is a new version of OpenTTD traditionally released?"
17:27<TrueBrain>evil :D
17:30<TrueBrain>_dp_: there is something missing in the server listing, and I wonder if you can find out what :D Some hints: there used to be many, there are now 2 (and soon zero).
17:30<LordAro>:D
17:32<TrueBrain>and yes, this is a riddle :P
17:34<frosch123>don't spoil the solution
17:35<TrueBrain>he can PM me his solution :D
17:35<TrueBrain>well, lets put it this way: I have something special for anyone who can solve my riddle :P Just PM me, and you get a present !
17:36<frosch123>a kick?
17:36<TrueBrain>no no
17:36<TrueBrain>a real present!
17:36<TrueBrain>I for once have something I can give people :)
17:36<TrueBrain>(well, OpenTTD related)
17:36<frosch123>ah. i have an idea, but i think it's no use for me
17:36<TrueBrain>it is of no use to you :)
17:39<_dp_>I was gonna answer without even looking but chat became weird :/
17:41<TrueBrain>you can say no to the present, no worries :)
17:42<TrueBrain>OpenTTD is wishlisted 584 times, and removed from wishlist 4 times :P
17:42<TrueBrain>hihi
17:42<LordAro>heh
17:45<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain opened pull request #44: Fix: logs can also break if the timestamp cannot be found https://git.io/JtErB
17:46<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] LordAro approved pull request #44: Fix: logs can also break if the timestamp cannot be found https://git.io/JtErE
17:46<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain merged pull request #44: Fix: logs can also break if the timestamp cannot be found https://git.io/JtErB
17:46<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/DorpsGek] TrueBrain created new tag: 2.0.3 https://git.io/JtErV
17:47<TrueBrain>lets see if this really fixes it ..
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17:52<TrueBrain>_dp_: zero has been reached :)
17:52<frosch123>night
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17:53<_dp_>yaaay
17:54<TrueBrain>you don't want a present? Awh :P
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18:08<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8640: Fix: Missing or needed spaces https://git.io/JtEo4
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