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| 03:12 | <andythenorth> | yo |
| 03:12 | <andythenorth> | send cat |
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| 03:23 | <Wolf01> | Who got sand from sahara direct to home delivery? |
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| 03:43 | <TrueBrain> | jgx: you have to be a bit more specific. "problems" is rather undefined. So better to ask what exactly, or otherwise our bugtracker is happy to receive some words of text too :) |
| 03:46 | <andythenorth> | TrueBrain I have problems! |
| 03:46 | <andythenorth> | pls help! |
| 03:47 | <TrueBrain> | we all know, and those are also not fixable by mere mortals, sorry |
| 03:47 | <TrueBrain> | :P |
| 03:49 | <andythenorth> | oof |
| 03:49 | <andythenorth> | is this not #traintherapy |
| 03:49 | <andythenorth> | ? |
| 03:49 | <andythenorth> | wrong channel? |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | this is a day of: I should do A, but lets first finish X |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | after X |
| 03:51 | <TrueBrain> | what was I going to do again? |
| 03:53 | <TrueBrain> | first time in 10 years we had a snowstorm in our country |
| 03:53 | <TrueBrain> | the snow is up against my door |
| 03:53 | <TrueBrain> | if I open it, I am not going to be able to close it |
| 03:53 | <TrueBrain> | :P |
| 03:54 | <andythenorth> | oof |
| 03:54 | <andythenorth> | go sledging |
| 03:55 | <TrueBrain> | changing the order of screenshots on Steam takes a bit out of you |
| 03:55 | <TrueBrain> | drag ... wait ... wait ... wait ... wait ... |
| 03:55 | <TrueBrain> | drag |
| 03:55 | <TrueBrain> | waiiiiitttttt |
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| 04:19 | <TrueBrain> | the amount of people that wishlisted OpenTTD on Steam are 10% linux, 89% Windows, and 1% macOS :P |
| 04:20 | <TrueBrain> | the rockpapershotgun article seems to have helped with the amount of people that wishlisted it :P |
| 04:35 | <TrueBrain> | michi_cc: macOS on VMWare works a lot better than on VirtualBox, holy crap .. that is a world of difference :P |
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| 05:01 | <andythenorth> | oof GRM |
| 05:01 | <andythenorth> | seems can't have 2 versions of CHIPS active, even with different grfids |
| 05:02 | <andythenorth> | as they use GRM, presumably for same sprite ranges |
| 05:02 | * | andythenorth guessing |
| 05:02 | <TrueBrain> | fix it! |
| 05:02 | <TrueBrain> | (or maybe more important .. why do you want 2 versions active :P) |
| 05:03 | <andythenorth> | I am trying to provide a legacy version |
| 05:03 | <andythenorth> | as I just changed a load of stuff, that breaks other things |
| 05:03 | <andythenorth> | and players WILL try and load both grfs |
| 05:03 | <andythenorth> | and that WILL cause bug reports on reddit |
| 05:03 | <andythenorth> | then I will cry |
| 05:03 | <TrueBrain> | :( |
| 05:04 | <andythenorth> | kinda thinking just move FORWARDS |
| 05:04 | <andythenorth> | the past is broken |
| 05:26 | <TrueBrain> | lol .. so I couldn't find the VMWare Tools for MacOS |
| 05:26 | <TrueBrain> | so I installed VMWare Fusion inside of the VM |
| 05:26 | <TrueBrain> | THERE THEY ARE :) |
| 05:34 | <TrueBrain> | hmm, network is not working .. sadddd |
| 05:38 | <TrueBrain> | mostly, NAT doesn't work |
| 05:38 | <TrueBrain> | fine |
| 05:38 | <TrueBrain> | be like that |
| 05:40 | <jgx> | TrueBrain - of course. that was just a whistle in the wind. Is this the right place? Seems the compile channel is closed. |
| 05:40 | <TrueBrain> | @topic get 3 |
| 05:40 | <@DorpsGek> | TrueBrain: Don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 05:41 | <TrueBrain> | is our motto |
| 05:42 | <jgx> | Ah, yes, been at this for hours since I read that. Is allegro4 or allegro5? Loads of errors in Building CXX object CMakeFiles/openttd.dir/src/music/allegro_m.cpp.o that look like missing include/libs |
| 05:42 | <jgx> | error: ‘MIDI’ does not name a type; etc |
| 05:43 | <TrueBrain> | in general allegro is only used for DOS (lol, I know right) |
| 05:43 | <TrueBrain> | so my first question is: why are you trying allegro? |
| 05:43 | <jgx> | allegro docs are incomplete; typedef struct MIDI is mentioned but ther reference foes nowhere |
| 05:43 | <TrueBrain> | (honest question) |
| 05:43 | <jgx> | Just following the instructions... |
| 05:43 | <TrueBrain> | what instructions would that be? |
| 05:44 | <jgx> | cmake found allegro so it is attempting to pull it in |
| 05:44 | <TrueBrain> | ah, you have it installed locally :) |
| 05:44 | <TrueBrain> | it has been a while anyone tried the allegro driver I am sure :D |
| 05:45 | <jgx> | mkdir build ; cd build ; cmake .. ; make |
| 05:45 | <TrueBrain> | now I need to remember how to tell CMake to stop using Allegro :P |
| 05:45 | <Wolf01> | Meh, got the test result, still positive :S |
| 05:46 | <TrueBrain> | Wolf01: wow, that is taking forever :( |
| 05:46 | <jgx> | I can turn it off for building under linux? If so, I'll dothat. it is nearing dawn ... |
| 05:46 | <TrueBrain> | jgx: do you have allegro 4 or 5 installed? |
| 05:46 | <jgx> | allegro5 |
| 05:46 | <TrueBrain> | for linux, you only need SDL |
| 05:47 | <TrueBrain> | allegro should compile, but there is no need to use it, really :) |
| 05:47 | <TrueBrain> | I will look into why it fails compiling |
| 05:47 | <jgx> | Great info! Thanks - will try after I sleep. Worst case I'll just uninstall allegro until I get it built |
| 05:48 | <TrueBrain> | and if you just want to play the game, you can also download our generic linux build |
| 05:48 | <jgx> | Much obliged for the tips. |
| 05:48 | <TrueBrain> | no worries |
| 05:50 | <+michi_cc> | Hmm, mouse movement on OSX is kinda broken for me, as apparently warping the mouse cursor doesn't work at all. I'm suspecting some interference with VM guest drivers... |
| 05:50 | <TrueBrain> | I am installing 11.2 now :D |
| 05:51 | <TrueBrain> | okay, allegro4 works |
| 05:51 | <TrueBrain> | allegro5 is not being detected by CMake for me .. hmm |
| 05:51 | <jgx> | it's linked in /etc/alternatives. I'll put up allegro4 and retry |
| 05:52 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtaO5 |
| 05:53 | <+michi_cc> | Okay, that pitch bug is now squashed. |
| 05:54 | <TrueBrain> | hmm, nope, when I installed it on ubuntu 20.04, it doesn't want to detect allegro5 :) |
| 05:54 | <TrueBrain> | so I guess the driver works only with allegro4 :P |
| 05:55 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, it registers itself in pkg-config as allegro-5 |
| 05:55 | <TrueBrain> | which makes sense |
| 05:55 | <TrueBrain> | what OS are you on jgx ? |
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| 06:05 | <erle-> | Which one is more active, zBase or aBasE? |
| 06:05 | <LordAro> | neither |
| 06:07 | <Wolf01> | <TrueBrain> the rockpapershotgun article seems to have helped... <- and yet it expanded a non-acronym :P |
| 06:08 | <Wolf01> | So it helps in one way and kicks you in the back :D |
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| 06:15 | <+michi_cc> | Does andythenorth have time for a short test? |
| 06:15 | <andythenorth> | I will shortly yes :) |
| 06:26 | <SpComb> | I like the minimum system requirements on steam :D "Processor: Yes" |
| 06:27 | <SpComb> | is it just a free text field? |
| 06:31 | <TrueBrain> | yup |
| 06:31 | <TrueBrain> | awh, 11.2 upgrade failed .. curious in what state I will be getting the system back now :) |
| 06:32 | <TrueBrain> | SpComb: they suggest to fill in those fields; it is not mandatory, but they rather have that you do. I couldn't think off any sane value, so Yes was suggested :) |
| 06:32 | * | andythenorth waits for linker |
| 06:35 | <TrueBrain> | and I just retry the 11.2 upgrade .. see if a second time goes any better :D |
| 06:36 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc anything significant changed since last night? |
| 06:36 | <andythenorth> | or just tidying? |
| 06:36 | <+michi_cc> | No, that push was an unrelated bugfix. |
| 06:36 | <andythenorth> | FPS difference to master seems lower, but might just be the section of map I'm looking at |
| 06:37 | <+michi_cc> | So, my problem with the mouse stuff is that apparently my virtualized mouse behaves slightly different. |
| 06:37 | <+michi_cc> | So I need a baseline how the mouse behaves on a real system, both on my PR and on master. |
| 06:38 | * | andythenorth tries different parts of map |
| 06:38 | <andythenorth> | yeah 8652 is still much faster, maybe 50% - 100% depending what's being drawn |
| 06:38 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: Do you want to start with the PR or with master? |
| 06:38 | <andythenorth> | for a mouse baseline? |
| 06:39 | <+michi_cc> | I have a tiny change for you to do the the source and then some questions about the result :) |
| 06:40 | <andythenorth> | ok |
| 06:40 | <andythenorth> | well currently 8652 is checked out and ready to build |
| 06:40 | <andythenorth> | so let's start there |
| 06:40 | <+michi_cc> | As you just compiled the PR, lets start with it. In the file src/video/cocoa/cocoa_wnd.mm at line 472 there a part that is "[ NSCursor arrowCursor ] : [ NSCursor clearCocoaCursor ]" |
| 06:41 | <+michi_cc> | Change the clearCocoaCursor to arrowCursor as well. |
| 06:41 | <+michi_cc> | If you then run OTTD, the system mouse cursor should stay visible. |
| 06:42 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #8653: Fix: [CMake] our allegro drivers use v4, so skip v5 if found https://git.io/JtaXi |
| 06:45 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #8653: Fix: [CMake] our allegro drivers use v4, so skip v5 if found https://git.io/JtaX1 |
| 06:45 | <TrueBrain> | did not know you could use version limits with pkg-config; pretty sweet you can :) |
| 06:46 | <+michi_cc> | TrueBrain: VM snapshots help with that |
| 06:46 | <TrueBrain> | using Player, so I cannot snapshot :( |
| 06:48 | <FLHerne> | andythenorth: "bake stored procedures into the toolchain, so nml can just simulate providing extra vars" <- how would that differ from procedures as they exist now? |
| 06:48 | <andythenorth> | nml would provide them |
| 06:48 | <andythenorth> | instead of me |
| 06:48 | <FLHerne> | I see |
| 06:48 | <andythenorth> | e.g. things like neighbouring vehicle checks |
| 06:49 | <andythenorth> | there are only a few use cases for them, but we can now construct pseudo-vars |
| 06:49 | <andythenorth> | "it's probably a terrible idea" |
| 06:50 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc compiling...although...system cursor is usually visible for me anyway |
| 06:50 | <andythenorth> | ok compiled |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | what do you want? screen record? |
| 06:51 | <andythenorth> | FLHerne 'random bits from lead part of articulated vehicle' is an example case |
| 06:52 | <+michi_cc> | Okay, so a) start, b) set a scrolling mode that has a fixed cursor, c) scroll, d) is system cursor staying put? e) if you end scroll and then move the mouse a tiny bit, does the cursor jump? |
| 06:54 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #8653: Fix: [CMake] our allegro drivers use v4, so skip v5 if found https://git.io/JtaXi |
| 06:54 | <andythenorth> | a, b, c) done d) no e) yes michi_cc |
| 06:55 | <+michi_cc> | Okay. Now it's just the same test for master instead. This time, it's line 466 to change. |
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| 07:05 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc a, b, c) done d) no, system cursor has a very slight jitter, especially if I move mouse fast enough, but it snaps back to same position e) n/a, system cursor snaps back to openttd cursor position |
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| 07:05 | <+michi_cc> | Okay, thanks. Now I have to see if I can get my VM to replicate that behaviour, otherwise testing will be painful :) |
| 07:06 | <andythenorth> | the behaviour at least is very stable :) |
| 07:10 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: Did you use left or right mouse scrolling, BTW? |
| 07:12 | <andythenorth> | RMB it seems, although I actually hold down cmd to use it |
| 07:12 | <andythenorth> | not sure if I configured that, been doing it for 10 years |
| 07:13 | <+michi_cc> | Right mouse button emulation with Cmd is the default setting I think. |
| 07:18 | <+michi_cc> | Ah, I need to set gaming mode to "always" to get sane mouse behaviour in VMware. |
| 07:18 | <+michi_cc> | TrueBrain: There's no GUI setting for game mode in Player, BTW. |
| 07:18 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, there are more issues with using Player :P |
| 07:18 | <TrueBrain> | I might upgrade :) |
| 07:19 | <+michi_cc> | Well, it's still there, you just need the edit the INI yourself. |
| 07:21 | <TrueBrain> | currently the 11.2 upgrade keeps crashing, so I need to put back a copy (manual snapshot ftw!) |
| 07:24 | <+michi_cc> | I'm running 10.14 as 11 felt a lot slower. |
| 07:24 | <+michi_cc> | I have a VM with around, too, but 10.14 just runs a lot smoother for me. |
| 07:24 | <TrueBrain> | just the video output is laggy as .... |
| 07:25 | <+michi_cc> | Excatly that is why I do the work on 10.14. |
| 07:25 | <TrueBrain> | well, I just want to install Steam on it to so I can check myself everything is working from time to time, honestly :) |
| 07:26 | <FLHerne> | TrueBrain: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/open-transport-tycoon-deluxe-is-coming-to-steam <- more correcting needed ;-) |
| 07:26 | <TrueBrain> | welcome to yesterday FLHerne ;) |
| 07:26 | <FLHerne> | Ok :p |
| 07:26 | <TrueBrain> | but we told them many times already in various of ways over the years .. |
| 07:27 | <TrueBrain> | it is one of the few places I gave up on |
| 07:27 | <TrueBrain> | I like their article |
| 07:28 | <FLHerne> | TrueBrain: This time they're referring to you personally, you'd think that would help :p |
| 07:28 | <LordAro> | find the author on twitter |
| 07:28 | <TrueBrain> | they already did |
| 07:28 | <LordAro> | lol |
| 07:32 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: Different mouse question: is that mouse stuck at top still happening with the PR? |
| 07:32 | <+michi_cc> | Also, I think I found the (totally silly) scrolling bug. |
| 07:32 | <andythenorth> | not that I could repro no |
| 07:32 | <andythenorth> | I tested it in full screen, no stuck that I could see |
| 07:33 | <andythenorth> | I might have missed it, but it was trivial to trigger previously |
| 07:33 | <+michi_cc> | Now I'm wondering if I should make use of the shiny new OTTD relative mouse mode instead of cursor warping. |
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| 07:49 | <frosch123> | iirc the relative thingie could only be decided on start-up, and not switch depending on RMB |
| 07:50 | <frosch123> | so it confined the mouse into the window all the time, even in windowed mode |
| 07:50 | <frosch123> | but maybe that was only for emscripten |
| 07:50 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtaO5 |
| 07:51 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: That push should fix scrolling. |
| 07:52 | <+michi_cc> | frosch123: TB added a relative cursor update function for emscripten, but it could also be used to avoid cursor wapring on OSX. |
| 07:52 | <+michi_cc> | It's not SDL relative mode or something if you're thinking of that. |
| 08:03 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtaO5 |
| 08:03 | <+michi_cc> | Eh, less "magic call" is better, let's just use relative mode. It's in its own commit, so easily backed out. |
| 08:04 | <+michi_cc> | orudge: Any chance you could have a look at #8652. You also wanted to check out #8518 :D |
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| 08:58 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc mouse scroll speed now perfect I think. I did have case where viewport remained locked to mouse movement after I released button, can't repro yet |
| 09:00 | <andythenorth> | ok some combo of the exact order of releasing 'cmd' key and mouse button causes it to stay locked |
| 09:03 | <andythenorth> | oh that's just how vanilla works too |
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| 09:03 | * | andythenorth never noticed before |
| 09:03 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc looks good so far then :D |
| 09:04 | <LordAro> | \o/ |
| 09:04 | <andythenorth> | get it into a nightly, let People Who Aren't Me test it |
| 09:05 | <andythenorth> | test it in WASM! |
| 09:05 | <LordAro> | pretty sure it's not used there :p |
| 09:05 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: Maybe I can fix that bug as well :) |
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| 09:56 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: What would you consider better: Dragging stops when you release Cmd, or dragging continues until you release the mouse button? |
| 09:57 | <andythenorth> | oof 'keys as pretend mouse buttons' |
| 09:57 | <andythenorth> | master behaviour is fine, dragging stops on releasing mouse |
| 09:59 | <andythenorth> | hmm UI yak-shaving suggestion for autoreplace GUI: either 'stop all replacements in this group' button or ctrl-click on replacements to end them |
| 09:59 | * | andythenorth bored of clearing out the greyed-out vehicle spam |
| 10:04 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #8652: [OSX] Cleanup video driver. https://git.io/JtaO5 |
| 10:04 | <+michi_cc> | Cursor should not get stuck anymore now. |
| 10:09 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8651: Fix 0125892: Don't crash when towns upgrade road tiles during expansion https://git.io/Jta5z |
| 10:10 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/Jta5r |
| 10:10 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8629: Fix: [CMake] Restore 'games' as default install bindir https://git.io/Jta56 |
| 10:11 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8622: Fix 81d335b081: Use non-pulsating red highlight for coverage https://git.io/Jta5i |
| 10:12 | <TrueBrain> | someone is having fun :D |
| 10:13 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8643: Change: [CMake] Bump minimal version to 3.9 https://git.io/Jta5S |
| 10:14 | <LordAro> | well no one else was doing it |
| 10:14 | <TrueBrain> | you want to say something there? :P |
| 10:15 | <TrueBrain> | I am not slacking! I am playing modded Factorio! |
| 10:15 | <LordAro> | i'm playing KSP :p |
| 10:15 | <TrueBrain> | not sure which is worse :D |
| 10:15 | <TrueBrain> | (in terms of losing time) |
| 10:15 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #8650: Assertion failed at line 111 of D:\a\OpenTTD\OpenTTD\src\core/pool_type.hpp: index < this->first_unused https://git.io/Jtakq |
| 10:15 | <_dp_> | researching competitors? ;) |
| 10:15 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8651: Fix 0125892: Don't crash when towns upgrade road tiles during expansion https://git.io/Jtaks |
| 10:18 | <+glx> | hmm I may update #8639, I think the remark (on IRC) about passing '..' as parameter was correct, it's silly to not include it in the string |
| 10:19 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #8599: On Debian-based distributions, the executable should go to /usr/games, not /usr/bin https://git.io/Jt3uR |
| 10:19 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8629: Fix: [CMake] Restore 'games' as default install bindir https://git.io/JtBis |
| 10:20 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8622: Fix 81d335b081: Use non-pulsating red highlight for coverage https://git.io/JtBfw |
| 10:21 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8643: Change: [CMake] Bump minimal version to 3.9 https://git.io/Jt2m9 |
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| 10:40 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 dismissed a review for pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/Jta5r |
| 10:40 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/JtEWD |
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| 10:40 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #7744: Draft Feature: OpenGL video driver https://git.io/JeO8B |
| 10:41 | <+michi_cc> | TrueBrain: If you have some SDL stuff, I can tack them onto the PR :) |
| 10:50 | <TrueBrain> | I haven't gotten to that yet .. hopefully this week :) |
| 10:50 | <TrueBrain> | Factorio is way too addicting :P |
| 10:56 | <andythenorth> | OpenTTD is way too addicting :P |
| 10:56 | <TrueBrain> | wouldn't know, haven't played it in years :) |
| 10:56 | <+glx> | zachtronics games are addicting :) |
| 11:03 | <Wolf01> | I'm watching a video about Daggerfall unity, it looks really a fine remaster, I might play it when I'll be able to sit at the pc for more than 10 minutes |
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| 11:16 | <Wolf01> | andythenorth: still after colours? javascript: void(0); |
| 11:17 | <Wolf01> | https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aAbPwKE_700bwp.webp |
| 11:17 | <Wolf01> | Fuck double "copy link" menu item :P |
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| 11:18 | <supermop_Home_> | andythenorth its cheaper than shoes or records |
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| 11:43 | <snail_UES_> | looks like JGR added “realistic train braking” to his patch, this sounds very interesting. Is there any documentation about how it works? |
| 11:44 | <andythenorth> | more likely to get an answer in discord ;) |
| 11:49 | <snail_UES_> | what’s that? another chat app? |
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| 11:58 | <supermop_Home_> | snail_UES_ i think there is a forum thread |
| 11:58 | <supermop_Home_> | i tried the realistic braking patch a few years ago, it is interesting |
| 11:58 | <supermop_Home_> | i don’t know if it is necessarily ‘fun’ but |
| 11:59 | <supermop_Home_> | you certainly end up with less capacity once allowing for braking distances |
| 12:01 | <snail_UES_> | I found it very interesting, coz I implemented braking wagons, and braking force, in my set |
| 12:01 | <snail_UES_> | I’d love to be able to change the distance needed for a train to stop, depending on the entire consist’s braking force |
| 12:01 | <snail_UES_> | also, a train should slow down a lot when negotiating steep downhill tracks |
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| 12:02 | <snail_UES_> | I’m looking for a forum thread (using the search function) but I can’t seem to find anything |
| 12:03 | <nielsm> | for realistic braking you also need look-ahead or multi-aspect signals |
| 12:03 | <nielsm> | (the thing that's called presignals in the real world, completely unrelated to the "presignals" invented in ttdpatch) |
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| 12:12 | <Eddi|zuHause> | greetings from being buried under 20cm snow |
| 12:13 | <Eddi|zuHause> | <TrueBrain> Factorio is way too addicting :P <-- have you tried switching to dyson sphere program instead? :p |
| 12:13 | <andythenorth> | oof stations |
| 12:16 | <andythenorth> | I want to change the ground tile for a CHIPS tile |
| 12:16 | <andythenorth> | [perplexed emoji] |
| 12:16 | <andythenorth> | "it's all GRM" |
| 12:17 | <snail_UES_> | on another note, it feels annoying that you guys now enforced C++17 to compile OTTD |
| 12:17 | <snail_UES_> | not everyone has the “latest and greatest” system, and there are many more complex programs that allow the use of an older OS |
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| 12:19 | <snail_UES_> | what are the advantages of that? |
| 12:20 | <_dp_> | c++17 is much less annoying to develop in :p |
| 12:20 | <frosch123> | if you are refering to the win9x thing. it's not the change to c++17 that broke that, but the change to c++11 |
| 12:20 | <LordAro> | what system are you running that doesn't have a C++17-capable compiler? |
| 12:21 | <andythenorth> | C++17 is what, 3 years old? |
| 12:21 | <frosch123> | i think it is completely acceptable to drop an os, that did not have any compiler update for it for 10 years |
| 12:21 | <nielsm> | if you can't run an OS made within the last 10 years I don't know what to say |
| 12:21 | <nielsm> | any hardware from the last 15 years can run an OS released in the last 10 years |
| 12:21 | <andythenorth> | oof newgrf stations are completely mad |
| 12:22 | <frosch123> | the os does not even have to made in the past 10 years, it's sufficient for it to be made in the past 20 years |
| 12:22 | <snail_UES_> | LordAro: OSX 10.12 |
| 12:22 | <frosch123> | so, it can be literally older than openttd |
| 12:22 | <snail_UES_> | frosch123: my OS is not 10 years old |
| 12:23 | <supermop_Home_> | andythenorth i think I've mentioned this before |
| 12:23 | <snail_UES_> | it was developed in 2016 and you can’t tell me it’s obsolete now |
| 12:23 | <+glx> | we dropped 10.12 ? |
| 12:23 | <andythenorth> | meh accessing a GRM sprite works in one place but not another |
| 12:23 | <andythenorth> | 10.12 is very dead glx |
| 12:23 | <andythenorth> | n-1 I think we do |
| 12:23 | <LordAro> | we've not dropped support for it |
| 12:23 | <+glx> | MacOS 11 is comming so yeah 10.12 is outdated |
| 12:23 | <nielsm> | apple is quick to obsolete things |
| 12:23 | <LordAro> | still 10.9+ |
| 12:24 | <supermop_Home_> | but 96kmh tank wagons are 36KL for small and 71 for Large |
| 12:24 | <snail_UES_> | LordAro: but 10.12 doesn’t support C++17... |
| 12:24 | <snail_UES_> | so in fact it was dropped |
| 12:24 | <andythenorth> | supermop_Home_ rounding errors |
| 12:24 | <supermop_Home_> | not sure if that is intended to incentivize the small wagons |
| 12:24 | <andythenorth> | set them to imperial tonnes |
| 12:24 | <LordAro> | snail_UES_: i feel like you should be able to find a newer compiler for it |
| 12:24 | <+glx> | snail_UES_: only dev is impossible on 10.12, but binaries built with recent version should run on 10.12 |
| 12:24 | <andythenorth> | there are no incentives on capacity at all, they're supposed to be identical, but integer maths supermop_Home_ |
| 12:25 | <frosch123> | snail_UES_: out binaries are listed to run on osx 10.9 |
| 12:25 | <frosch123> | i think, any drop in osx version is not related to c++17, but i have no idea about osx compilers |
| 12:25 | <+glx> | the issue is probably xcode |
| 12:25 | <snail_UES_> | a binary was created for OSX for JGR’s patch, but it crashes on my system (I posted the crash report on his thread) |
| 12:26 | <+glx> | ah not related to c++17 |
| 12:26 | <nielsm> | you aren't going to fix that by compiling on your own |
| 12:26 | <+glx> | probably SSE |
| 12:26 | <+glx> | or some CPU flags |
| 12:26 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: michi_cc: the website lists 1.10.3 as osx 10.12+, and nightly as 10.9+. do you know whether either is true? |
| 12:27 | <FLHerne> | snail_UES_: That might be https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/8476 |
| 12:27 | <snail_UES_> | that also happened on the previous version of JGR |
| 12:27 | <snail_UES_> | the same person compiled the binary, it crashed on my system |
| 12:28 | <snail_UES_> | then I compiled it on my own (it wasn’t requiring C++17 yet) and it worked fine |
| 12:28 | <FLHerne> | Definitely sounds like ^ then |
| 12:28 | <FLHerne> | In which case michi_cc fixed it recently |
| 12:29 | <FLHerne> | (in master, no idea if JGR pulled it yet) |
| 12:30 | <+michi_cc> | OTTD requires a recent enough compiler for C++17. Apple has chosen to tightly couple compiler, XCode and OS versions, which is why you can't build on semi-old OSX versions. |
| 12:31 | <snail_UES_> | I would need a newer version of XCode, but it’s not supported by 10.12 |
| 12:31 | <snail_UES_> | is there any alternative way I can go, without upgrading my system? |
| 12:32 | <FLHerne> | Does "install Linux on it" count as an upgrade? :p |
| 12:32 | <snail_UES_> | I use my computer for remote work, so I need it to be fully functional. I can’t upgrade to a new OS only to find half of my apps stop working (as it’s always the case) |
| 12:32 | <nielsm> | it's not exactly news that apple likes to drop support for older OS versions and make it as difficult as possible for developers to keep supporting their older OS and hardware versions as they can |
| 12:32 | <FLHerne> | (probably not in battery life, by my experience) |
| 12:32 | <nielsm> | I would call apple a bad choice for computer if you aren't in a situation where you can keep buying a new one every few years |
| 12:33 | <snail_UES_> | I wouldn’t mind buying a new one, if I could keep my current apps working |
| 12:33 | <snail_UES_> | if I switched to Big Sur, I’d have to say goodbye to most of my apps... |
| 12:34 | <+michi_cc> | frosch123: It should run on 10.9+, but I don't think anybody is testing that. 10.12 is our self-given n-3 policy, but not technically enforced. |
| 12:34 | <frosch123> | michi_cc: ok, steam also says 10.9, wait until someone compains? |
| 12:34 | <nielsm> | I think the issue might be with the SDK version used causing slightly different behaviours for some things? |
| 12:35 | <andythenorth> | the days of keeping macs going forever are long gone |
| 12:35 | <andythenorth> | macs are disposable devices now, 1 year lifespan |
| 12:36 | <+michi_cc> | snail_UES_: The "most apps won't work" think is exactly why 10.12 is obsolete for _compiling_ OTTD. And as long as Apple couples compiler/XCode versions tightly to OSX releases, that won't change. |
| 12:40 | <+glx> | seems JGR includes the no-sse4 commit |
| 12:41 | <+glx> | since 0.40.0 |
| 12:42 | <+glx> | snail_UES_: do vanilla nightlies work ? |
| 12:43 | <snail_UES_> | let me try |
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| 12:44 | <snail_UES_> | yes, that works |
| 12:45 | <snail_UES_> | the one I just downloaded is OpenTTD 20210206-master-g2c9084d48c |
| 12:45 | <+glx> | so in theory recent enough JGR should work too |
| 12:46 | <+michi_cc> | The crash you posted in the forums in inside libfreetype, which is a 3rd party library not supplied by Apple or us. I'd assume whoever made that binary didn't compile the lib in the proper way. |
| 12:46 | <snail_UES_> | :( |
| 12:46 | <+glx> | hmm freetype is no longer required for MacOS IIRC |
| 12:46 | <+michi_cc> | Most likely not with the proper version back-compatibility flags set. |
| 12:46 | <snail_UES_> | would you mind answering my post then? |
| 12:46 | <+michi_cc> | glx: Only if you approve the PR :) |
| 12:46 | <+glx> | oh right |
| 12:47 | <+glx> | I can't test it myself so |
| 12:47 | * | andythenorth can't decide if I love or hate the station spec |
| 12:47 | <andythenorth> | it's really appalling |
| 12:47 | <andythenorth> | but I can see how people get used to it |
| 12:47 | <+michi_cc> | Still, same thing then with lzo or lzma. |
| 12:49 | <+michi_cc> | frosch123: Steam itself is 10.11+, so the 10.9 question is basically pointless. |
| 12:50 | <+glx> | oh yes for macOS we set MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET: 10.9 in CI |
| 12:50 | <+glx> | so vcpkg does the right thing |
| 12:50 | <+glx> | I guess |
| 12:52 | <+michi_cc> | The compiler does the right thing, but yeah. |
| 12:53 | * | andythenorth looks for TrueBrain in these pictures https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55970665 |
| 12:53 | <andythenorth> | I like the snowplough going down a ski sloper |
| 12:53 | <andythenorth> | https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/16035/production/_116856109_tv065567303.jpg |
| 12:54 | * | andythenorth needs educating about camera angel |
| 12:55 | <Eddi|zuHause> | is there a camera devil? |
| 12:57 | <andythenorth> | oof |
| 12:57 | <andythenorth> | so how do I station? |
| 12:57 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i haven't left my house, but there really was a lot of snow over the last 24 hours |
| 12:57 | <andythenorth> | I'm not saying this is gibberish https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Stations#Sprite_layout_.2809.29 |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | but I don't even know if I need prop 09 or 1A |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | CHIPS uses both |
| 12:58 | <+glx> | you can't do it in nml for sure |
| 12:58 | <andythenorth> | thanks :) |
| 12:59 | <andythenorth> | I have https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/dc3f00b774cf248ef69c9eaf541d02ba/raw/2c829ebae495fc606ca492c362b03565ef7c5484/gistfile1.txt |
| 12:59 | <andythenorth> | which gives a ground sprite and a building |
| 12:59 | <andythenorth> | I need a second building sprite |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | I'm not even sure if I have a building, or 2 ground sprites |
| 13:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | so, prop 1A has been around for 10 years and nobody bothered to write it properly into the specs? |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | this is all copy-paste magic |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | Eddi|zuHause it's documented |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Stations#Advanced_sprite_layout_with_register_modifiers_.281A.29 |
| 13:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | yes. |
| 13:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but that's not "in the specs" |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | oops |
| 13:00 | <Eddi|zuHause> | it refers to another site |
| 13:00 | <andythenorth> | well... https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Archive/Development/Advanced%20Sprite%20Layout#stations |
| 13:01 | <andythenorth> | that doc actually makes more sense than the specs |
| 13:01 | <Eddi|zuHause> | which may or may not be considered "canonical" |
| 13:01 | <andythenorth> | that doc starts to look like something more famiilar |
| 13:02 | <andythenorth> | familiarity with industry tiles seems to be of negative value when dealing with stations |
| 13:03 | <Eddi|zuHause> | i'm not in the right mindset to try to understand this |
| 13:04 | <andythenorth> | 1A looks familiar |
| 13:04 | <Eddi|zuHause> | but sounds like 1A would be preferable to 09 |
| 13:04 | <andythenorth> | it's just list of sprites, and can take values or a register number |
| 13:04 | <andythenorth> | then in the action 2, presumably the registers are stuffed |
| 13:04 | <andythenorth> | 09 I can't even parse the instructions |
| 13:05 | * | andythenorth considers converting CHIPS to python |
| 13:06 | <andythenorth> | this is not fun https://github.com/andythenorth/chips/tree/master/src |
| 13:07 | <+michi_cc> | andythenorth: It's not exactly NFO, but http://www.ttdpatch.de/grfspecs/m4nfoManual/StationFunctions.html#Examples has pictures. |
| 13:07 | <andythenorth> | because converting the entire templating / compile to python is much easier than reading the docs for adding 2 sprites :P |
| 13:07 | <andythenorth> | michi_cc :) |
| 13:07 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 13:08 | <supermop_Home_> | wasn’t someone working on nml stations recently? i thought i saw a PR for that |
| 13:08 | <andythenorth> | I feel stations have never ben adopted by OpenTTD |
| 13:08 | <andythenorth> | they seem to be firmly TTD Patch thing |
| 13:08 | <andythenorth> | the main toolchain is m4nfo also |
| 13:08 | <supermop_Home_> | Eddi|zuHause lots of snow here too |
| 13:08 | <+glx> | I used stations in openttd |
| 13:09 | <andythenorth> | I mean the adoption of the spec :) |
| 13:09 | <andythenorth> | afaict, it's the preserve of pretty much one person in Germany |
| 13:10 | <andythenorth> | maybe it's Eddi|zuHause ! |
| 13:10 | <+glx> | 1A is openttd only BTW |
| 13:11 | <supermop_Home_> | still banished by GitHub... |
| 13:11 | <+glx> | it's weekend |
| 13:12 | <andythenorth> | so I wonder if yexo used 09 to test out the full range of spec (idea was to do nml stations), or if there correct cases for 1A |
| 13:12 | <andythenorth> | for industry tiles, there are no real cases for not using advanced |
| 13:13 | <frosch123> | you can write every 09 as 1A |
| 13:13 | <frosch123> | it's a superset |
| 13:14 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 13:14 | * | andythenorth reads the TTDP docs |
| 13:15 | <andythenorth> | the bounding boxes are significant here? |
| 13:17 | <frosch123> | there are two layouts: a single box for non-track tiles, and 2 boxes behind/in front of train |
| 13:17 | <frosch123> | nml should remove spritelayouts and only offer those choices that make sense :p |
| 13:18 | <andythenorth> | :P |
| 13:18 | * | andythenorth seriously considers m4nfo again |
| 13:19 | <frosch123> | aren't you too young for that? |
| 13:19 | <andythenorth> | definitely worth rebuilding the whole project just to add a crane over 1 track tile |
| 13:21 | <supermop_Home_> | ugh i guess i should fix covered hopper truck sprites |
| 13:21 | <snail_UES_> | andythenorth: what’s wrong with m4nfo? |
| 13:21 | <supermop_Home_> | as the only feedback i get on my RVs is that the sprites are broken |
| 13:22 | <andythenorth> | snail_UES_ I have no idea, I haven't used it yet |
| 13:22 | <andythenorth> | it will probably be uniquely flawed |
| 13:22 | <andythenorth> | most things are |
| 13:23 | <snail_UES_> | nothing is perfect, but I find m4nfo’s “less is more” approach to be quite brilliant |
| 13:25 | <andythenorth> | well good or bad, it's the only available choice for stations |
| 13:25 | <snail_UES_> | not a bad choice for trains either :) |
| 13:27 | <andythenorth> | so stations in nml then? |
| 13:27 | <andythenorth> | or is it actually architecturally hard? |
| 13:31 | <+glx> | main issue is station layout is in action 0, while all other are action 2 |
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| 13:32 | <+glx> | so even if syntax is the same it's not easy to plug |
| 13:33 | <frosch123> | i consider the tile layout harder |
| 13:34 | <frosch123> | a station only has 4 tile layouts, but 8 possile property values for them to set |
| 13:34 | <andythenorth> | I consider the docs hard enough to be a disincentive :P |
| 13:34 | <frosch123> | the easier option may be to increase tiles to 16 in ottd, and basically eliminate tile layouts from the station spec |
| 13:35 | <frosch123> | s/16/8/ difficult counting :p |
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| 13:41 | <andythenorth> | so what's the 41 doing https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/dc3f00b774cf248ef69c9eaf541d02ba/raw/2c829ebae495fc606ca492c362b03565ef7c5484/gistfile1.txt |
| 13:42 | <andythenorth> | is that a flag or a count? |
| 13:43 | * | andythenorth could try and count the number of bytes |
| 13:43 | <frosch123> | 40 is the flag, 1 is the count |
| 13:43 | <andythenorth> | what are the 8 tiles? |
| 13:44 | * | andythenorth really finds stations odd |
| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | "The property is variable sized, and contains the data for all 8 possible station tile types. If this property is set, the num-ent in the corresponding action 1 need not be equal to 12 (hex), it can in fact be any number, and any number of sprites can be displayed in any order." |
| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | so it can just be any number? |
| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | 7? |
| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | 96? |
| 13:44 | <andythenorth> | :) |
| 13:44 | <frosch123> | "tiles" is what you need to define "track/non-track tile", "draw pylons" and "draw catenary" |
| 13:45 | <frosch123> | they are so weird that nml should/would remove them / abstract them away |
| 13:45 | <andythenorth> | I can't begin to understand yet :) |
| 13:45 | <andythenorth> | but....there are so many station sets :o |
| 13:47 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: sorry for distracting, but property 1A has nothing to do with tile types |
| 13:47 | <frosch123> | "tile layouts" and "sprite layouts" are very different things |
| 13:47 | <andythenorth> | o_O |
| 13:48 | <andythenorth> | newsletter? |
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| 13:49 | <frosch123> | what "news"? |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | I don't know :) |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | "Road routing (19 - reserved for future use)" |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | :o |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | that sounds like news :) |
| 13:50 | <andythenorth> | "Will allow to have routing informations for road vehicles on rail stations," |
| 13:51 | <frosch123> | 12 year old vapour ware is not news |
| 13:51 | <+michi_cc> | Sounds more like wishful thinking :) |
| 13:51 | <frosch123> | though, is it vapour ware, if there are not even screenshots? |
| 13:52 | <frosch123> | i don't think there was a description of what was actually planned |
| 13:52 | <andythenorth> | "This property is not yet implemented" |
| 13:53 | <frosch123> | george requested to have rv routing for houses, so vehicles could drive through "gas station" houses and other things |
| 13:54 | <frosch123> | but i think that's unrelated to this station thing |
| 14:09 | <andythenorth> | hmm |
| 14:09 | <andythenorth> | I was reading the prop 09 docs for 1A and vice versa |
| 14:09 | <andythenorth> | this did not aid my understanding :P |
| 14:10 | <frosch123> | it's the same as for industries, just the role of sprites in a spriteset and spritesets is transposed |
| 14:11 | <frosch123> | in industry layouts you reference spritesets, and each spriteset contains sprites per construction stage |
| 14:11 | <frosch123> | for stations you reference sprites inside a spriteset, and you pick different spritesets per amount of cargo waiting |
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| 14:17 | <andythenorth> | grfcodec fails on this https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/bb4121f722ad4563fe7fdcb598e34f07/raw/d4e71f44d9d4c99e5f388478b8a468606ea54c60/gistfile1.txt |
| 14:17 | <andythenorth> | Error on sprite 6465. |
| 14:17 | <andythenorth> | the offsets to the sprites are wrong, but I don't see why that doesn't compile anyway |
| 14:17 | <andythenorth> | based on https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Archive/Development/Advanced%20Sprite%20Layout#stations |
| 14:19 | <andythenorth> | I don't know if the comments are reliable, I'm just copying them |
| 14:23 | <andythenorth> | the flags are all clear I think |
| 14:31 | <andythenorth> | \dx8000842D is the offset to the sprite, with extra flags? |
| 14:33 | <frosch123> | your gist looks fine to me |
| 14:34 | <andythenorth> | grfcodec disagrees |
| 14:34 | <frosch123> | i assume you mean nforenum? |
| 14:35 | <andythenorth> | not actually sure, make masks who's emitting the error |
| 14:35 | <andythenorth> | let's see |
| 14:36 | <andythenorth> | yeah it's frigging nforenum |
| 14:37 | <andythenorth> | NFORenum trunk r994M - Copyright (C) 2004-2013 by Dale McCoy |
| 14:37 | <frosch123> | i think the advancted layouts were the last thing that were added to nforenum |
| 14:38 | <frosch123> | after that even yexo did not bother about nforenum anymore |
| 14:38 | <andythenorth> | I skipped renum and tried grfcodec |
| 14:38 | <andythenorth> | sprite 6465 is broken though |
| 14:38 | <andythenorth> | 'Unexpected sprite, disabling' |
| 14:38 | <andythenorth> | says OpenTTD |
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| 14:39 | <frosch123> | that means you miscounted in action 1, 5 or A |
| 14:39 | <andythenorth> | ok |
| 14:39 | <frosch123> | there was a realsprite where a pseudosprite was expected |
| 14:39 | <andythenorth> | thanks |
| 14:40 | <andythenorth> | I think I see it |
| 14:42 | * | andythenorth forgot to maintain realsprite counts in action 1 |
| 14:42 | <andythenorth> | all nfo is forgotten :) |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | it's working :) |
| 14:47 | * | andythenorth so tempted to re-template it with python |
| 14:49 | <frosch123> | time for pynfo :p |
| 14:51 | <andythenorth> | I have been wondering about a python-based higher level language :P |
| 14:51 | <andythenorth> | probably a mad idea |
| 14:52 | <frosch123> | i am not sure whether pynfo or pynml makes a big difference |
| 14:52 | <frosch123> | if you template everything anyway |
| 14:52 | <andythenorth> | lot less housekeeping to template with nml :) |
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| 15:08 | <TrueBrain> | michi_cc: remind me I have to make a bug ticket about the Win32 now taking a bit too long with its Sleep()s :) |
| 15:08 | <TrueBrain> | I keep forgetting to detail what is going on :P |
| 15:08 | <TrueBrain> | (and I have no clue how to solve it myself) |
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| 15:23 | <+glx> | oh I remember reading something about win32 and sleep |
| 15:24 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, michi_cc had a nice link |
| 15:24 | <TrueBrain> | sleep of 1ms took .. 60+ms I believe :) |
| 15:25 | <+glx> | yeah default granularity changed |
| 15:27 | <andythenorth> | stations :) |
| 15:27 | * | andythenorth has bounding box issues |
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| 15:28 | <andythenorth> | ground is being drawn over trains |
| 15:29 | <andythenorth> | fixed that, now the sprites flicker instead :) |
| 15:30 | <frosch123> | ground are ground, they have no bounding boxes |
| 15:33 | <andythenorth> | spec suggest I can stack groundsprites |
| 15:33 | <andythenorth> | which is what I want to do |
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| 15:33 | <andythenorth> | literal 80 |
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| 15:34 | <andythenorth> | this spec is so hard to read :) |
| 15:35 | <andythenorth> | https://gist.github.com/andythenorth/cbb5774ca5191e3f1c1ed78a0aaec875 |
| 15:35 | <LordAro> | isn't the station spec what broke Yexo last time round? |
| 15:35 | <andythenorth> | I need to lose all those bounding boxes |
| 15:35 | <andythenorth> | e.g. line 11 and friends |
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| 15:37 | <andythenorth> | maybe advanced layouts can't do that |
| 15:38 | * | andythenorth hasn't written one for years, it's all abstracted in FIRS :P |
| 15:38 | <andythenorth> | z extent is 0 for groundsprites? |
| 15:39 | <andythenorth> | "Skip bounding box including child sprites" looks plausible? |
| 15:40 | <frosch123> | replace the "00 00 00 10 10 \b0" with "00 00 80" |
| 15:40 | <frosch123> | (i think) |
| 15:41 | <frosch123> | nah, the "skip" thing is for conditional sprites. you probably don't want that here |
| 15:44 | <andythenorth> | appears to work https://gist.githubusercontent.com/andythenorth/02c3d8b8ccf971f075b98f05b5e769cc/raw/9a5518661332db9dd74202ac658cbce26632abe5/gistfile1.txt |
| 15:45 | * | andythenorth wonders how yexo put the bufferstops in |
| 15:45 | <andythenorth> | maybe with a register |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | hmm no, it's tile switching |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | 40 different layous for combinations of buffer / no buffer, and cargo sprites |
| 15:46 | <andythenorth> | layouts * |
| 15:47 | <andythenorth> | 2021, the year andythenorth learns stations? :P |
| 15:47 | <andythenorth> | now I want to animate some harbour cranes moving |
| 15:48 | <andythenorth> | https://gist.github.com/andythenorth/02c3d8b8ccf971f075b98f05b5e769cc#gistcomment-3623510 |
| 16:07 | <andythenorth> | hmm do I relearn C pre-processor? |
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| 16:34 | <Eddi|zuHause> | for what purpose? |
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| 16:47 | <frosch123> | i like that guy on reddit, who doesn't know what "windows 9x" is |
| 16:48 | <+glx> | cute |
| 16:50 | <LordAro> | haha |
| 16:50 | <frosch123> | LordAro: now even you can feel old :p |
| 16:50 | <LordAro> | :p |
| 16:51 | <andythenorth> | Eddi|zuHause for the purpose of extending CHIPS grf |
| 16:52 | <andythenorth> | I need to write something like this, but different https://github.com/andythenorth/chips/blob/master/src/templates/simple_track_tile_1.tnfo |
| 16:52 | <andythenorth> | I'm not sure that I should be doing this voluntarily though, it seems like a poor life choice |
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| 17:14 | <andythenorth> | bed |
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| 17:55 | <jgx> | TrueBrain - thank you. Purged allegro5, installed allegro4, compiled 20210207-master-gaf0acc9a75 successfully. |
| 17:55 | <jgx> | The train is fine. |
| 17:56 | <jgx> | Distro: Linux Mint 19.2 (ID_LIKE=ubuntu) |
| 18:05 | <TrueBrain> | In the meantime I fixed it too in master .. it will no longer try allegro5 ;) |
| 18:05 | <TrueBrain> | Tnx for checking back in ! |
| 18:05 | <_dp_> | is there any point in keeping allegro at all? |
| 18:05 | <_dp_> | last time I tried it was pretty broken |
| 18:05 | <TrueBrain> | Last time the argument was: it still works |
| 18:06 | <TrueBrain> | So shrug .. I was not allowed to remove it :p |
| 18:07 | <TrueBrain> | But someone also promised to pick it up again .. he never did .. so there is that :p |
| 18:09 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt opened pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVsC |
| 18:14 | <milek7> | _dp_: it seems to work fine? |
| 18:15 | <_dp_> | there were some issues with it, I don't remember now |
| 18:16 | <_dp_> | but I couldn't rly play with it |
| 18:16 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVsi |
| 18:23 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Milek7 commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVsQ |
| 18:24 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVs5 |
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| 19:44 | <Wuzzy> | https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/pull/13 |
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