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02:36<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/team] Yutyo opened issue #138: [tr_TR] Translator access request https://git.io/JtVz6
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06:18<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] robm82 commented on issue #8642: Electric trains not going faster than 160km/h https://git.io/Jt2Tq
06:18<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] robm82 closed issue #8642: Electric trains not going faster than 160km/h https://git.io/Jt2Tq
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06:28<Samu>hi
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09:39<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/team] fAZENN opened issue #139: [sk_SK] Translator access request https://git.io/JtVxL
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10:02<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt opened pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVp9
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10:06<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVp9
10:08<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVhI
10:08<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVp9
10:09<TrueBrain>orudge: macOS build is completely broken on vcpkg .. any idea?
10:09<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVhZ
10:13<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVhE
10:13<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Milek7 commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVhV
10:14<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVho
10:21<@orudge>TrueBrain: let me have a look
10:21<@orudge>I suspect we may be able to remove our pinned changeset version now
10:22<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtVjf
10:22<TrueBrain>orudge: I do not 1-2-3 understand the error, so I was hoping you could pinpoint it a bit better :)
10:22<@orudge>Ah, it's just on the CI
10:22<TrueBrain>that said, it is under the assumption this user rebased to lastest master .. I do not know that for sure :)
10:22<@orudge>it seems to be the case that the vcpkg compile is failing
10:25<@orudge>The vcpkg changeset hasn't changed between yesterday and today though
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10:32<TrueBrain>possibly the runner has updated the vcpkg it has?
10:36<@orudge>Strangely the version present yesterday (prebuilt in the runner) is giving an "dyld: Symbol not found: ___emutls_v._ZSt11__once_call" error
10:37<@orudge>The commit in the runner seems to be dating back to December
10:37<@orudge>I guess forcing it to a later commit may 'solve' the problem :|
10:37<@orudge>as we do with the release build at present
10:37<Wuzzy>With this PR, all sounds in OpenSFX will get rid of the non-libre CC Sampling Plus 1.0 license: https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenSFX/pull/13
10:42<@orudge>Wuzzy: will try to have a look tonight
10:42<Wuzzy>thx, I plan to do at least 2 follow-up PRs
10:43<Wuzzy>one for the final update to the README, that changes the full OpenSFX license (needs careful checking, of course)
10:43<Wuzzy>and the other one for fixing the old mercurial code
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10:44<Wuzzy>And if all that is done, I think there should be a public release, and cake. 😀
10:46<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge opened pull request #8656: Fix: [Actions] Use same vcpkg commit for CI on macOS as release builds https://git.io/Jtwe2
10:47<@orudge>TrueBrain: I've just run this on my own fork and it looks to be working
10:47<TrueBrain>so possibly the user simply didn't rebase to master ..
10:47<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8656: Fix: [Actions] Use same vcpkg commit for CI on macOS as release builds https://git.io/Jtwe6
10:48<+glx>CI defaults to 401b26c9866a071f645ae57831caa419b2c48be1 from 10 days ago
10:51<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] erenes commented on issue #8649: Multiplayer crash https://git.io/JtavV
10:51<@orudge>glx: hmm, looks like it was restoring an older version that had been cached
10:51<@orudge>the build for which was then failing
10:52<+glx>checking GL CI log, it seems it was already failing, without telling us
10:52<@orudge>Not sure if there's an easy way of invalidating the cache on GitHub but the PR should sort it anyway
10:52<@orudge>Yes
10:54<@orudge>Ideally the cache would be invalidated if the environment has changed
10:56<+glx>oh I think it's the recent run-vcpkg update
10:57<+glx>https://github.com/lukka/run-vcpkg/releases/tag/v6.3 23h ago
10:58<@orudge>That seems to have fixed the issue where it was failing but not telling us
10:58<+glx>yeah now it fails and we know it
11:04<+glx>https://github.com/lukka/run-vcpkg/issues/69 suggest to add environment version in cache key
11:04<@orudge>Yes
11:04<@orudge>I was just working on a PR for that now
11:04<@orudge>appendedCacheKey is a workaround for adding it by the look of it
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11:13<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge merged pull request #8656: Fix: [Actions] Use same vcpkg commit for CI on macOS as release builds https://git.io/Jtwe2
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11:24<TrueBrain>LordAro: any idea on when we should do RC1? :D
11:24<TrueBrain>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1536610/OpenTTD/ <- new trailer !! (tnx to _2TallTyler :D)
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11:31<frosch123>https://www.heise.de/news/OpenTTD-Open-Source-Transportspiel-erscheint-bei-Steam-5048652.html <- don't read the comments, they are uff
11:33<frosch123>also that sentry report :p 667400% more issues than last week...
11:33<LordAro>TrueBrain: whenever :p
11:33<LordAro>how's the title game competition going?
11:33<LordAro>it is going, right?
11:33*LordAro has not looked
11:34<LordAro>that is a very nice trailer video
11:35<_2TallTyler>The competition has not started yet. TrueBrain is working on some GitHub actions to automate the screenshot process.
11:36<LordAro>maybe when that's ready then
11:36<frosch123>does that rv crash change the pegi rating?
11:36<_2TallTyler>I was planning to open entries on March 1 and close on March 15, then have a week of voting.
11:36<LordAro>doesn't give a lot of time
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11:37<frosch123>yes, that would be very short. in most years we had two voting rounds
11:37<_2TallTyler>Time for creation, voting, or adding to OpenTTD?
11:38<frosch123>short for creation and voting :)
11:38<_2TallTyler>I'm happy to change the dates however, this was just going off last year when the dates were given to me rather last-minute :)
11:38<LordAro>3+ weeks for entries then 2 weeks for voting would seem fine to me
11:39<_2TallTyler>How long after voting do you need to add it to the release?
11:40<LordAro>about 5 minutes
11:40<+glx>it's just a matter of opening and merging a PR :)
11:40<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] awsom82 commented on issue #8296: Non-latin text language not showing in mac os https://git.io/JJxmQ
11:47<_2TallTyler>I can post the competition later this week and have entries open for four weeks until midnight GMT on March 14. Voting then runs two weeks until midnight GMT on March 28. I'll open a PR the next day. Is that good for everyone?
11:49<LordAro>sure
11:51<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8296: Non-latin text language not showing in mac os https://git.io/JJxmQ
11:55<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #139: [sk_SK] Translator access request https://git.io/JtVxL
11:56<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/team] glx22 commented on issue #138: [tr_TR] Translator access request https://git.io/JtVz6
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12:28<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Feature: [Emscripten] Add OSOpenBrowser() support https://git.io/JtVp9
12:29<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwkO
12:29<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/Jtwks
12:29<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwkZ
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12:34<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/Jtwk2
12:34<TrueBrain>I like it when people add comments I can understand :D
12:35<TrueBrain>frosch123: yeah ... sentry was digesting the DynamoDB nicely :D
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12:36<TrueBrain>frosch123: wuth, someone made OpenTTD 3D? cool :D
12:36<TrueBrain>silly, but cool :)
12:36<frosch123>that was on forums 2 years ago
12:36<TrueBrain>like I read forums, lolz
12:37<frosch123>i think it was only a video, no diff
12:37<TrueBrain>I wonder if it is real
12:37<TrueBrain>as making 3D models from isometric perspective, is ...
12:37<TrueBrain>difficult? :D
12:37<frosch123>haha, there are no 3d models in the video
12:38<frosch123>it takes ground sprites as textures, everything else are bounding boxes only
12:38<frosch123>though the vehicles rotate smoothly, that part is special
12:38<TrueBrain>even "round"
12:39<TrueBrain>feels like 3D models with GRF textures applied to them, but .. meh
12:39<frosch123>i think it is real. all the "missing things" are very plausible
12:39<TrueBrain>I like how smooth trains go
12:39<frosch123>i had bigger doubts about the shunting patch
12:39<TrueBrain>watching more closely, there is only 1 train model
12:40<TrueBrain>so that would have been really easy to make
12:40<TrueBrain>so only ground textures + 1 3D box with a simple texture or something?
12:40<TrueBrain>anyway, still impressive job :)
12:41<frosch123>well, it includes some 3d renderer, so yeah, there is also invisible work :)
12:41<TrueBrain>and the trees are clearly also a 3D model .. very simplistic one, but one nevertheless :P
12:42<TrueBrain>a fun gimmick :)
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12:42<TrueBrain>one of those posts ... that tunnel glitch has been fixed, what, 10 years ago? :P
12:43<frosch123>yes, that post was the most uff one :p
12:44<TrueBrain>not playing a game for 10+ years, and making claims about it :D Cute!
12:44<frosch123>i would think more like 15 or 16 years ago
12:44<frosch123>TrueBrain: well, they continue with "but ttdp fixed it so long ago"
12:44<TrueBrain>that website is HORRIBLE to read replies
12:44<TrueBrain>holy crap
12:44<frosch123>yep :p
12:45<TrueBrain>scary that I can understand most posts .. not translate them, but understand enough to get the gizz
12:45<frosch123>i also get your dutch proverbs :p
12:45<frosch123>but reading dutch is a lot easier than hearing it
12:45<TrueBrain>I am preparing you for when we invade your country :P
12:46<frosch123>pff, did you even dig yourself out of the snow yet
12:46<TrueBrain>no :(
12:46<frosch123>lol, you didn't leave house in 3 days?
12:46<TrueBrain>had to dig out my car this morning
12:46<TrueBrain>it was COLD
12:47<TrueBrain>when I came back, my door was snowed in
12:47<TrueBrain>the wind is a bit extreme, not the amount of snow :P
12:48<frosch123>can the windmills handle it?
12:48<frosch123>:p
12:48<TrueBrain>:D
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12:50<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
12:51<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
12:52<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened pull request #8657: Fix: mention our websites with https:// (instead of http://) https://git.io/JtwIg
12:52<Timberwolf>Wasn't the tunnel glitch fixed in TTD 1.06?
12:52<Timberwolf>I'm sure I remember not being able to perform it before TTDPatch came along.
12:52<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwIV
12:52<TrueBrain>I hate it when I review a PR, the user fixes it, and I find more things wrong with coding style
12:53<TrueBrain>I don't like bitching about coding style for too long ..
12:53<Timberwolf>Yeah...
12:53<TrueBrain>so what is the right thing to do .. comment on it again, or just fix them myself, I wonder ..
12:53<Timberwolf>I had an intern here for a while, by the time we'd got through all the coding style issues he'd have made the first error I'd mentioned again.
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12:56<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwIX
12:57<TrueBrain>in Open Source, I always wonder what motivates people more
12:57<TrueBrain>I would like to be told what I do wrong, so I can fix it myself
12:57<TrueBrain>but I also know a lot of people that get annoyed and just don't
12:58<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwI7
12:58<Timberwolf>I think it's very person-dependent.
12:58<TrueBrain>this author seems to be more like me :D
12:58<Timberwolf>For me, I enjoy contributing to something where I am not "the boss" and therefore people will actually correct my mistakes.
12:58<Timberwolf>(Point them out so I can correct them, I mean)
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12:59<TrueBrain>in the old days, we just took the patch, fixed all the coding style and other mistakes, and committed it with "(patch by NNN)" :)
12:59<TrueBrain>often 50% of the lines were touched :P
12:59<TrueBrain>and people thought they could get svn commit access because they had a few "patch by" commits :P
13:00<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
13:00<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwIp
13:00<Wolf01>I think I was one of the few to not desire to be an active OpenTTD developer :P
13:02<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwLJ
13:02<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
13:03<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt updated pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
13:03<+glx>I remember I got svn access by a side project :)
13:03<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtwLk
13:03<TrueBrain>enough bitching about spaces :P
13:06<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 approved pull request #8657: Fix: mention our websites with https:// (instead of http://) https://git.io/JtwLG
13:07<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #8657: Fix: mention our websites with https:// (instead of http://) https://git.io/JtwIg
13:18<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Eilon commented on pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/JtwLP
13:18<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #8655: Fix: [Emscripten] open links in browser https://git.io/JtVp9
13:21<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Wuzzy2 commented on pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/JtwL7
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13:42<Tulitomaatti>is there a nice way to config the local authority to be infinitely permissive in multiplayer? afaik the default menus just have hostile-tolerant-permissive.
13:44<milek7>no
13:44<_dp_>Tulitomaatti, "eternal love" gamescript or magic bulldozer
13:44<_dp_>though I guess neither counts as a "nice way" :p
13:48<Tulitomaatti>thanks; yeah, i was hoping for a config parameter or a console-tunable thing that i hadn't found yet for some reason :D
13:51<Tulitomaatti>but i guess eternal love is straightforward enough. you lose the standing-related penalty on cargo generation, but i guess that's a fair price to pay for the convenience in my case.
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13:52<_dp_>nah, config parameter would be too easy
13:52<_dp_>you need to suffer if you want to go against the brilliance of Chris Sawyer's design :p
13:53<_dp_>there is nothing standing-related about cargo generation though
13:54<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #8639: Add: Allow translation of "(Directory)" and "(Parent directory)" https://git.io/Jtwm2
13:54<+glx>yeah only station rating counts, and it's not related to local authority IIRC
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14:24<nielsm>poor station ratings can lower your authority rating, but authority rating won't affect station ratings
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14:29<_dp_>nielsm, isn't that just station (in)activity that influences the authority, not cargo rating itself?
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14:53<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] embeddedt commented on pull request #8654: Fix: [Emscripten] Only lock pointer on right click https://git.io/JtwsV
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17:53<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge updated pull request #8617: Change: Convert .md to .rtf/.txt for installers https://git.io/Jt40E
17:56<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8617: Change: Convert .md to .rtf/.txt for installers https://git.io/Jtw4b
18:02<@DorpsGek>[OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8617: Change: Convert .md to .rtf/.txt for installers https://git.io/JtwBC
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20:02<Wuzzy>orudge: have u looked/heard at the OpenSFX thing?
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