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| 11:25 | <Samu> | https://i.imgur.com/1TLevib.png and https://i.imgur.com/IVhS8v4.png |
| 11:25 | <Samu> | my dream of 5000 vehicles is too slow still |
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| 12:16 | <_aD> | Samu: O_O |
| 12:17 | <_aD> | I finally converted a friend to using Silly town names. Mission accomplished. |
| 12:17 | <_aD> | It was "Evilbottom" that sealed the deal. |
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| 12:35 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison opened issue #9535: [Bug]: Poor performance opening "Check Online Content" window due to O(N^3) behaviour https://git.io/JuvbC |
| 12:44 | <LordAro> | those functions are very strange |
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| 12:47 | <FLHerne> | _aD: upgrading is usually a mistake |
| 12:48 | <FLHerne> | Just build a new and better network from scratch |
| 12:49 | <_aD> | FLHerne: I did. I have now had to cheat to the tune of £100m. Hahha. |
| 12:50 | <_aD> | FIRS + Medium infrastructure costs ate through my £490m far more quickly than I expected. In fact I thought I had effectively infinite money... |
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| 13:16 | <andythenorth> | well |
| 13:16 | * | andythenorth -> solitaire |
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| 13:37 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] JGRennison opened issue #105: Policy: Uploads which are not usable with main/trunk OpenTTD https://git.io/JufUD |
| 13:38 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl opened pull request #9536: Change: Deliver cargo to closest industry first https://git.io/JufUh |
| 13:39 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl updated pull request #9536: Change: Deliver cargo to closest industry first https://git.io/JufUh |
| 14:09 | <andythenorth> | is it men's shed time? |
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| 14:16 | <andythenorth> | how is coop bouncer working? |
| 14:17 | <andythenorth> | coop is down no? |
| 14:17 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] frosch123 commented on issue #105: Policy: Uploads which are not usable with main/trunk OpenTTD https://git.io/JufUD |
| 14:18 | <frosch123> | andythenorth: just proves that it is a software issue, no hardware issue |
| 14:18 | <frosch123> | 90% of the VMs crashed, the server did not burn down |
| 14:22 | <andythenorth> | ah ah |
| 14:24 | <frosch123> | devzone server is as stable as my router :) |
| 14:30 | <TrueBrain> | nice writing frosch123 |
| 14:30 | <frosch123> | any opinion on my last sentence? |
| 14:32 | <frosch123> | it would give a clear indication how to "tag" content for jgrpp in the upload |
| 14:32 | <frosch123> | bananas-server could "or" the versions for compatibilty, or something |
| 14:36 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain commented on issue #105: Policy: Uploads which are not usable with main/trunk OpenTTD https://git.io/JufUD |
| 14:36 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, absolutely, we should do that. I think we were kinda waiting for someone to ask first |
| 14:36 | <TrueBrain> | but now the question is asked, yeah, lets do it |
| 14:37 | <TrueBrain> | I also think a protocol change will be trivial |
| 14:37 | <LordAro> | yay |
| 14:37 | <TrueBrain> | I just don't really know what JGRPP should send as "version" |
| 14:38 | <TrueBrain> | 12.0 feels a bit weird :P |
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| 14:41 | <TrueBrain> | and I have no clue what JGRPP uses as newgrf-version currently |
| 14:43 | <andythenorth> | discord will know :P |
| 14:43 | <andythenorth> | where JGR resides :P |
| 14:44 | <TrueBrain> | https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/blob/master/src/network/network_content.cpp#L204 <- guess the easiest is to just add a "branch" name there. Define the variable in rev.cpp.in, like the version. Make it "vanilla" by default. JGRPP can define that to "jgrpp" |
| 14:44 | <TrueBrain> | andythenorth: I am testing my summoning powers |
| 14:44 | <TrueBrain> | "Blazing fast, silky smooth, positive adjectives performance when opening the check online content window" <- haha, okay, that made me smile :D |
| 14:45 | * | andythenorth likes trains |
| 14:45 | <andythenorth> | I would do ogfx |
| 14:45 | <andythenorth> | but I am still doing work |
| 14:46 | <andythenorth> | any chance of a ticket for the update here https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenGFX/issues |
| 14:46 | <andythenorth> | ? |
| 14:46 | <andythenorth> | or is that admin overkill? |
| 14:46 | <LordAro> | andythenorth: is #68 not to your liking? |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | it's excellent |
| 14:47 | <andythenorth> | pls send new eyes |
| 14:49 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: jgrpp uses the same "newgrf-versions" as the vanilla version from last sync/merge |
| 14:49 | <LordAro> | andythenorth: also OpenTTD#9031 |
| 14:49 | <frosch123> | there are separate "branch versions" for newgrf as well |
| 14:49 | <TrueBrain> | that will be confusing to users, as they will enter jgrpp >= 0.42.0 |
| 14:49 | <LordAro> | (which also requires some OGFX changes) |
| 14:49 | <frosch123> | so jgrpp can have its own newgrf version, no need to abuse the vanilla one |
| 14:50 | <TrueBrain> | so he just needs to find a good way to encode "0.42.3" into the dword, I guess :P |
| 14:51 | <TrueBrain> | or, maybe, we shouldn't use a dword for it to the bananas-server, but a string |
| 14:51 | <TrueBrain> | might just be easier |
| 14:51 | <frosch123> | ah, so the api would need a mapping from jgrpp version to vanilla version. i don't think that will happen :p |
| 14:51 | <TrueBrain> | as we now use the _openttd_newgrf_version for it |
| 14:51 | <TrueBrain> | but .. that is not really needed, as we don't do anything with that |
| 14:52 | <TrueBrain> | we deduce the major/minor/patch from it |
| 14:52 | <TrueBrain> | so using _openttd_revision as string might just solve this as well |
| 14:52 | <frosch123> | TrueBrain: we could add a list of string-pairs at the end of PACKET_CONTENT_CLIENT_INFO_LIST should |
| 14:52 | <frosch123> | <type> <legacy newgrf version> (<branch string> <version string>)* |
| 14:53 | <TrueBrain> | hmm, no, my idea is stupid, as that doesn't work for nightlies |
| 14:53 | <frosch123> | "branch string" is the same as in https://api.bananas.openttd.org/config/branches |
| 14:53 | <TrueBrain> | yeah, protocol wise that is fine by me |
| 14:53 | <frosch123> | "version string" not sure :p |
| 14:53 | <TrueBrain> | I just realised "version string" is more difficult |
| 14:54 | <frosch123> | there is already some version-sorting logic on the server page |
| 14:54 | <frosch123> | maybe the same logic can compare string versions of branches |
| 14:54 | <TrueBrain> | my issues is nightlies :) |
| 14:54 | <TrueBrain> | what version does that represent |
| 14:54 | <frosch123> | the next one |
| 14:54 | <TrueBrain> | what "next"? :) |
| 14:54 | <frosch123> | current nightly is 12.0, after branch it will be 13.0 |
| 14:54 | <TrueBrain> | there is no list in bananas-server about any thing version related |
| 14:55 | <TrueBrain> | as .. we kept forget to update that :P |
| 14:55 | <LordAro> | why not make it always "next" ? |
| 14:55 | <TrueBrain> | so the client needs to send this information :) |
| 14:55 | <TrueBrain> | meaning _openttd_revision doesn't cut it |
| 14:55 | <LordAro> | i.e. if your scenario depends on something in current nightlies, it's on you if you don't update the version after 12.0 is actually released |
| 14:56 | <LordAro> | treat all nightlies, regardless of age, as newer than any release |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | users now already upload content with >= 12.0 |
| 14:56 | <frosch123> | i don't understand the problem you see. vanilla would send <type> <legacy version> "offical" "12.0" |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | as they use something from the nightly |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | not sure that "next" is a good thing |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: on a protocol level, no issue |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | I was thinking where this "12.0" lives in the code |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | I was thinking of using _openttd_revision |
| 14:56 | <TrueBrain> | but I cannot |
| 14:57 | <TrueBrain> | so .. another hard-coded global? |
| 14:57 | <LordAro> | _openttd_previous_release |
| 14:58 | <frosch123> | it's "next" release :) |
| 14:58 | <LordAro> | build system doesn't know whether the next release is 12.1 or 13.0 :p |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | yet-another-hardcoded-string .. bah :P |
| 14:59 | <LordAro> | hehe |
| 14:59 | <frosch123> | but yes, a new "const char _openttd_content_branch[] = "12.0";" |
| 14:59 | <frosch123> | LordAro: _openttd_newgrf_version already contains the numbers |
| 14:59 | <TrueBrain> | LordAro: because of our branches, we kinda do ;) |
| 14:59 | <frosch123> | just not as nice string |
| 15:00 | <LordAro> | kinda |
| 15:01 | <TrueBrain> | any reason to keep legacy version? |
| 15:01 | <TrueBrain> | owh, crap, this protocol was not versionized |
| 15:01 | <TrueBrain> | I forgot |
| 15:01 | <frosch123> | the server has to keep it, the client can set it to "TRUE" |
| 15:02 | <frosch123> | "andy" or "lord" also works |
| 15:02 | * | frosch123 is lucky to not have a 4 letter name |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | just bull we forgot to add version in the protocol |
| 15:02 | <TrueBrain> | happy I didn't forget for GC :) |
| 15:04 | <frosch123> | if you really want to get rid of the legacy-version, you can add a new package id |
| 15:04 | <frosch123> | but i think keeping the dummy-version is less messy |
| 15:04 | <TrueBrain> | I agree |
| 15:05 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] TrueBrain commented on issue #105: Policy: Uploads which are not usable with main/trunk OpenTTD https://git.io/JufUD |
| 15:06 | <TrueBrain> | let me know if I made a boo-boo in translation from IRC to text :P |
| 15:09 | <frosch123> | bananas logic will be funny :p if they enter no version restrictions, it's compatible with everything. if they restrict it to "jgrpp >= 0.42.2", it will be unavailable for "official" |
| 15:09 | <frosch123> | if they enter "offical >= 12.0", what happens with "jgrpp"? |
| 15:09 | <TrueBrain> | or more fun: if you say official > 12.0, it might be JGRPP 0.43.0, for example :P |
| 15:10 | <TrueBrain> | :D |
| 15:10 | <_dp_> | would be nice if that could also be used for "branch" and version of compatible clients like cmclient or android build |
| 15:11 | <TrueBrain> | frosch123: guess we should send the "features available" instead of a version :P Solves *everything* :P |
| 15:12 | <TrueBrain> | maybe in bananas-frontend-web it should be a dropdown .. you either limit "official" or you limit "jgrpp" .. dunno |
| 15:12 | <TrueBrain> | bit tricky indeed :) |
| 15:12 | <LordAro> | _dp_: i don't follow how that would be relevant? if the client is compatible, it can't add new things |
| 15:12 | <frosch123> | jgrpp would send both (official, 12.0) , (jgrpp, 0.42.2), so it is fine |
| 15:13 | <_dp_> | LordAro, it's not directly relevant but it's a nice info to know for a server |
| 15:13 | <_dp_> | LordAro, for debugging purposes at the very least |
| 15:13 | <LordAro> | true |
| 15:13 | <LordAro> | but i think that's a separate issue |
| 15:13 | <LordAro> | possibly |
| 15:13 | <frosch123> | so, if you enter any version in bananas, it will be unavailable for all unlisted |
| 15:13 | <frosch123> | and clients have to send all branches they understand |
| 15:14 | <TrueBrain> | not sure this will be very clear to uploaders |
| 15:14 | <TrueBrain> | as "official" behaves differently from the others, from their perspective |
| 15:14 | <TrueBrain> | also not sure that is any issue :) |
| 15:15 | <frosch123> | we can also add checkboxes in addition to the editboxes |
| 15:15 | <frosch123> | so you can explicitly enter "does not work with any version", "works with all version", "works with specific version" |
| 15:15 | <frosch123> | for each branch |
| 15:15 | <TrueBrain> | I like that |
| 15:15 | <frosch123> | i think the API is fine. we just need someone to improve the GUI :p |
| 15:16 | <TrueBrain> | and a note for "official" that "jgrpp" als implies "official" or something |
| 15:16 | <frosch123> | ah, so a "same as 'offical'" option :p |
| 15:21 | <TrueBrain> | seems easy enough; and as 12.0 is changing plenty on network level, we might as well do this too |
| 15:27 | <+glx> | extending the packet looks good, empty list being compatible with old clients |
| 15:29 | <TrueBrain> | guess this is also a good time to migrate bananas-server to the new py-protocol :) |
| 15:34 | <FLHerne> | TrueBrain: adopt JGR's extended savegame format with tagged, sometimes optional, features, and then use the same feature list in BaNaNaS |
| 15:35 | <frosch123> | FLHerne: that may work for scenarios, but not for newgrf or gs |
| 15:35 | <frosch123> | FLHerne: but feel free to PR https://github.com/OpenTTD/bananas-api/issues/23 :) |
| 15:36 | <frosch123> | it would be a start |
| 15:36 | <FLHerne> | frosch123: Nearly any feature that a grf might depend on should also be in the savegame, surely |
| 15:36 | <FLHerne> | after all, grf state is stored in the savegame? |
| 15:36 | <FLHerne> | I suppose GS API might not necessarily be |
| 15:41 | <nielsm> | GRF is stateless except for the specific permanent registers (on towns, industries, not sure about vehicles?), which indeed are part of the savegame |
| 15:41 | <nielsm> | how much GS (and AI) saves depends entirely on the script author |
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| 15:42 | <JGR> | Hello |
| 15:42 | <+glx> | only name and version are always stored dor GS and AI |
| 15:42 | <JGR> | Thanks for your replies on the Bananas issue, that's very helpful :) |
| 15:52 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on issue #6503: Abnormalities in train subtile coordinates when reversing at the end of line https://git.io/fhZIc |
| 15:55 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/BaNaNaS] JGRennison commented on issue #105: Policy: Uploads which are not usable with main/trunk OpenTTD https://git.io/JufUD |
| 16:07 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #6503: Abnormalities in train subtile coordinates when reversing at the end of line https://git.io/fhZIc |
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| 16:10 | <_dp_> | LordAro, yeah, I also thought of it, though 8/8 vehicles don't crash into water |
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| 16:13 | <_dp_> | may even be related to some weird signal bugs/crashes |
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| 16:13 | <_dp_> | vehicle movement is quite wonky in general |
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| 16:15 | <LordAro> | yup |
| 16:16 | <LordAro> | there's also the Samu PR somewhere that "corrects" road vehicle movement |
| 16:16 | <LordAro> | ('"corrects"' because no one's really sure what it actually does) |
| 16:16 | <Samu> | ho |
| 16:17 | <+glx> | it equalises the number of turn steps IIRC |
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| 16:19 | <_dp_> | movement logic should just not depend on subtile coords imo |
| 16:20 | <_dp_> | right now it mixes logic with visuals resulting in a mess |
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| 16:22 | <LordAro> | mhmm |
| 16:25 | <Samu> | "Deliver cargo to the closest industry first" - I actually prefer to deliver cargo to all industries in range |
| 16:25 | <+glx> | only first 2 get stuff |
| 16:25 | <_dp_> | Samu, that was never the case afaik |
| 16:26 | <Samu> | i had a PR that would make it deliver cargo randomly distributing piece by piece |
| 16:26 | <_dp_> | it's basically only good for firs |
| 16:26 | <_dp_> | and even that's kinda questionable |
| 16:27 | <Samu> | let me find |
| 16:27 | <andythenorth> | I was told that could never work but eh |
| 16:29 | <Samu> | https://github.com/SamuXarick/OpenTTD/commit/61889003e442ca5dde8092ddf50a5d3b9abbb260 |
| 16:31 | <Samu> | a bit outdated, maybe i'll rebase |
| 16:33 | <_dp_> | Samu, I can't think of any case where that would be a desirable behaviour |
| 16:38 | <FLHerne> | definitely FIRS supplies |
| 16:38 | <FLHerne> | but doing it by default for all industries seems bad |
| 16:39 | <FLHerne> | or at least likely to break players' holy Workflows |
| 16:39 | <_dp_> | FLHerne, so if you rarely deliver a bit of supplies to multiple industries you prefer them to go to waste rather than boost one? |
| 16:40 | <FLHerne> | It's quite hard to have not enough supplies in FIRS :p |
| 16:40 | <FLHerne> | distributing them evenly and constantly is the hard part |
| 16:41 | <FLHerne> | and this would help with that |
| 16:42 | <_dp_> | one carousel can easily distibute everything evenly |
| 16:42 | <_dp_> | if one can figure out where they actually go from stations :p |
| 16:45 | <_dp_> | anyway, goal of that PR is to bring it back to how it was, not invent a perfect solution |
| 16:45 | <_dp_> | as it was clearly better than now and players were more or less used to id |
| 16:45 | <_dp_> | *it |
| 16:47 | <+glx> | yes the closest is easier to understand from a player pov |
| 16:47 | <+glx> | index just feels random because it's an internal value unknown for the player |
| 16:48 | <Samu> | just rebased, conflicts solved |
| 16:49 | <Samu> | can't push, why? :( |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | I didn't even notice it had changed |
| 16:50 | <andythenorth> | :P |
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| 16:53 | <Samu> | i can't push, don't know what this error is |
| 16:53 | <Samu> | https://pastebin.com/raw/xt5r9Np8 |
| 16:53 | <Samu> | i want a force push |
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| 16:54 | <Samu> | nevermind, i guess it worked now |
| 16:54 | <Samu> | https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/compare/master...SamuXarick:distribute-cargo-to-multiple-industries?expand=1 |
| 16:55 | <Samu> | how do i delete the other? |
| 16:56 | <Samu> | i deleted via website, hope it's sufficient |
| 16:59 | <Samu> | still works, just tested, all industries receive their share |
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| 22:20 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 opened issue #9537: No coal https://git.io/JuJkm |
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| 22:52 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 commented on issue #9537: No coal https://git.io/JuJkm |
| 23:00 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Budgie2021 closed issue #9537: No coal https://git.io/JuJkm |
| 23:01 | <@DorpsGek> | [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #9537: No coal https://git.io/JuJkm |
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