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---Logopened Sat Apr 16 00:00:35 2005
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11:28knewt dash: yes, as well xen itself and (almost certainly) the tools. in fact, if you move to -unstable, then every time you grab a newer version and want to try it out you should rebuild everything
11:28knewt s/\(almost certainly\) //
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12:25dash knewt: yes, i have discovered that now :)
12:25dash I am trying to locate the memory leaks in xend and see if they can be fixed
12:26dash perhaps just upgrading to twisted 2.0 will fix it, we have improved several bits since 1.3
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13:43eigood dash: are you aware that xen is moving to a c toolset?
14:01dash eigood: i was aware that a c toolset was being developed
14:01dash I was not aware that xend was being dropped
14:10dash what's the rationale for that?
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14:15@riel dash: twisted, mostly ;)
14:15eigood that it's python too
14:16eigood dom0 could be much smaller if python weren't around
14:16eigood think about having all of dom0 in a single initrd
14:16eigood ideally, a single central server would talk to multiple remote dom0 nodes, and manage them centrally
14:20dash right, i understand that being a reason for developing a smaller C toolkit
14:21eigood I don't know the time scale for this, however
14:21eigood and if there are bugs in twisted, they might as well be fixed, as it'll help everyone, not just xen
14:21dash but my understanding was that xend was going to be retained for installations that wanted the features and could afford the resources
14:21eigood why maintain 2 codebases?
14:21dash because python is easier :)
14:22* riel brings up the ecartis code as evidence that C can be easier ;)
14:22dash hmm?
14:22eigood nono
14:23eigood procmail is the best example of a surpremely written c program I have ever seen
14:23* dash giggles
14:23@riel ewwww yuck
14:23eigood you guys don't have to deal with diziet code
14:23* riel was serious about the code in the ecartis modules - it may be C, but it's actually very easy to follow even though it's processing email
14:24eigood dpkg: sh -> perl4 -> c; dselect: perl4 -> c++
14:24eigood you do *not* want to see what this c looks like.
14:27dash hehe
14:28dash anyway i would really love a nicely written python xend, since I am already running python in my dom0 for other things
14:28dash the current one looks like it really wants to be java, though
14:28eigood previous versions were java
14:29dash ah.
14:29dash that may be a factor, then
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15:00@anticw eigood: your joking right? i was fixing procmail bugs the other day and i would claim it's some of the worst code if ever had to deal with
15:00@anticw nick cw
15:00@anticw eigood: procmail is very useful and does a pretty good job --- but the code is terrible
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---Logclosed Sun Apr 17 00:00:23 2005